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post Nov 17 2015, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(trade99 @ Nov 15 2015, 09:59 PM)
waiting for the result / review for the camera....... if camera nice enough, i dont need to get a camera maybe...
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Camera of the upcoming Lumia 950 will be superb. The daylight performance will rival DSLR, better than most if not all smartphones. No joke. Check out this thread.

http://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/10/1...d-lumia-950-xl/

But for low-light performance, it is still limited due to the smallish sensor. Still, not too bad. The sensor is slightly larger than the sensor in the latest Samsung and iPHone models, and the Sony Z5 also.

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post Nov 17 2015, 03:56 PM

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Open the image above and view in 100% resolution. Look at the tiny details. Remarkable detail on the face and the eyebrows etc. apart from the superb clarity and sharpness.
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post Dec 3 2015, 06:04 PM

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I've found a website comparing the Microsoft Lumia 950 to the iPhone 6s and Samsung Galaxy Note 5. Surprisingly the photos from the iPhone 6s looked better than the Lumia 950. Not sure if the reviewer deliberately rigged the results by producing poor quality photos with the Lumia 950. Any comments? I was expecting the Lumia 950 to show considerably better results than the iPhone 6s, tangible and marked improvements over the iPhone 6s. But the photos below do not show that.

Link : http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mo...306004/review/5

Microsoft Lumia 950:-
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Microsoft Lumia 950 :-
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post Dec 3 2015, 06:06 PM

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Microsoft Lumia 950 (low light, out of focus):-
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post Dec 3 2015, 06:17 PM

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To be frank, the 2nd and 3rd sample photo (car park shot and dancing shot) looked terrible. The Nokia Pureview 808 will be able to produce better results than these any time.

Any thoughts if it is more to the camera or the photographer? I suspect it's more to the latter.
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post Dec 10 2015, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Dec 4 2015, 11:52 AM)
To me they look out of focus, not like they are horrible pics, just focus point is wrong. Sadly the camera app still probably put focus at the wrong place if subject is moving or way too many points that the focusing algorithm doesn't know what to do. Usually to take such pics I always lock focus without letting the camera select focus for me.

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I surely hope so as I am shortlisting the Lumia 950 XL to replace my Nokia Pureview 808. However, after looking at most image samples from owners of the 950 on DPReview site, it looks like the quality of the camera in the 950 is not up to mark. Certainly a step down from the 808.
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post Jan 13 2016, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Jan 6 2016, 12:20 PM)
Hmmm.. The site will resize the pic if I upload from phone directly right? Let me try..

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Jan 6 2016, 12:24 PM)
Rich Capture decided to apply HDR to this pic so I upped the brightness.
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Clicking on the pic to view seems to load the original size.

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Would like to check. Is the camera on Auto when you took these photos? Also, I noticed the size of the playground photo is 2.98 MB but the other photo showing the birds standing on the electrical lines is only 1.03 MB. Are the photos 100% full resolution, unedited?

I guess the HDR mode reduced the size of the photo although it made the photo looked brighter with better clarity in low light conditions.

The image of the playground shot looks slightly blurry as if it is slightly out of focus with smearing of details on the green leaves. In the other photo, clarity is good but there is some noise.

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post Jan 13 2016, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Jan 6 2016, 12:24 PM)
Rich Capture decided to apply HDR to this pic so I upped the brightness.

Clicking on the pic to view seems to load the original size.

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I just noticed that there is no EXIF data on the photos. Do you have the original files? Would appreciate if you can post them here if you could. Thanks.
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post Jan 14 2016, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Jan 13 2016, 10:00 PM)
Looks like the forum did still do something to the pictures, here are the originals.
http://1drv.ms/1mYeTTI

Regarding the HDR.... it's not something you can turn on... you leave Rich Capture on, and if it decides the scene can be HDR'ed it will do it. Yeah.. it's weird..
- Bird picture is NOT HDR. Whch was surprising to me, I thought the camera would pick up on the backlight and decide to turn it on.
- Park picture is HDR, which is why you see bluring, since the camera takes multiple pictures at different exposures (-1,0,1 ev by default) so fast moving things like leaves would blur since I'm choosinig one of the mid blend levels.
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Thanks for the link. Much appreciated. The photos certainly look much better here being originals, full resolution.

One question. Does the 950 have Manual settings for users to adjust the shutter speed and ISO?

The photo showing the birds is much better. Good clarity and detail. Noise is acceptable in this moderate low light shot. Though I notice some edge distortion (look at the corner double-storey house on the left side of the photo). The house is slightly skewed. This edge distortion is also present with the Nokia Pureview 808.

The photo showing the park is also better with more defined details but the photo still shows slight blurriness. Maybe the handphone shook a little when the image was captured, producing a *slightly* out of focus photo. Just a guess. The details on the tree trunk look a bit soft and out of focus, not too sharp.

The colours are certainly rich and vivid. A strength of the better Nokia phones such as N8 and Pureview 808 (now Microsoft Lumia 950).

In summary, I feel the camera in the 950 is good. Perhaps more good samples would do the phone more justice. Maybe not at the Nokia Pureview 808 level in areas of clarity and detail but nonetheless, it is very close. I would reserve comments until I see more good samples from the phone.

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post Jan 14 2016, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Jan 13 2016, 10:00 PM)
Looks like the forum did still do something to the pictures, here are the originals.
http://1drv.ms/1mYeTTI

Regarding the HDR.... it's not something you can turn on... you leave Rich Capture on, and if it decides the scene can be HDR'ed it will do it. Yeah.. it's weird..
- Bird picture is NOT HDR. Whch was surprising to me, I thought the camera would pick up on the backlight and decide to turn it on.
- Park picture is HDR, which is why you see bluring, since the camera takes multiple pictures at different exposures (-1,0,1 ev by default) so fast moving things like leaves would blur since I'm choosinig one of the mid blend levels.
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I just re-read your post. And also checked the photos. In the park photo, the shutter speed is 1/185s and ISO50. Maybe that was the reason the young boy and leaves show a bit of blurring with this shutter speed. But still, the details of the tree trunk (a dead non-moving object) looked soft and slightly out of focus, which suggests that there might be some other elements at play here, such as my guess on the camera which shook a little when the image was taken, producing the blurriness.

It would be great if the 950 allows users to adjust the shutter speed. It would be interesting if you can use a slower shutter speed of say 1/15s or 1/8s to take photos in low light conditions for better clarity and sharpness (though this would require a stable pair of hands).
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post Jan 14 2016, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Jan 14 2016, 08:18 AM)
Of course there's manual mode, iso is 50-3200 shuttle speed 1/3200 - 4secs
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That is good to hear.

 

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