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 Peugeot 408 Owners/ Fans Thread [V4], Motion & Emotion

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SKYjack
post Nov 12 2015, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(YamatehGombak @ Nov 12 2015, 07:27 PM)
Hai all,

Im so glad that i found this forum and to know that its already V4 It makes me more confident to buy the car now that i can have someone to talk to about the car.

Do you guys active on fb as well? Maybe can drop here the link so that i cn request to be a part of the group as well? I try to look for it on fb but theres no new updates that coming from malaysia only outside and they are not even english speakers 😅.
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Most welcome bro! Very good time to get this car cos of the promo. Very reliable engine & gb on this model. Go for it!

FB..... I don't know. I lost interest and closed down my account. Here we are quite active. You can always get answers and help.
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post Nov 12 2015, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Nov 12 2015, 10:48 PM)
No major issues. You should read the thread to get a better idea of some minor issues. Anyway all issues are satisfactorily solved by SC.

240Nm is available from 1250 rpm all the way up to max rpm.
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If you put the vehicle on the dynamometer, I think you should be able to see the torque yields between 4k to 4.5k rpm. Red line is at 6k rpm, if the max torque remains flat up to 6k, depending on the trend of the torque drops, the max hp should be between 7k to 8k rpm but the fact is max hp occurs at around 6k rpm.
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post Nov 12 2015, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 12 2015, 11:02 PM)
If you put the vehicle on the dynamometer, I think you should be able to see the torque yields between 4k to 4.5k rpm. Red line is at 6k rpm, if the max torque remains flat up to 6k, depending on the trend of the torque drops, the max hp should be between 7k to 8k rpm but the fact is max hp occurs at around 6k rpm.
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I've not done a dyno test. You are right, torque does drop off well before red line.
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post Nov 12 2015, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 12 2015, 11:02 PM)
If you put the vehicle on the dynamometer, I think you should be able to see the torque yields between 4k to 4.5k rpm. Red line is at 6k rpm, if the max torque remains flat up to 6k, depending on the trend of the torque drops, the max hp should be between 7k to 8k rpm but the fact is max hp occurs at around 6k rpm.
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cannot believe i saw this kind of reply with "female" tag .. shocking.gif shocking.gif
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J1@l_ l_l l\l
post Nov 12 2015, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Nov 12 2015, 11:33 PM)
cannot believe i saw this kind of reply with "female" tag ..  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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Sir, how can you discriminate female in the automotive industry? We're 15 years after millennium dy. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 13 2015, 12:11 AM

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Sir, how can you discriminate female in the automotive industry? We're 15 years after millennium dy.  biggrin.gif
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not discriminate la .. just surprise rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Nov 13 2015, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Nov 13 2015, 12:11 AM)
not discriminate la .. just surprise  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif 
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You'll be surprised to know, Royal Brunei Airlines has about a dozen female pilots. One of them gathered enough experience to be qualified a captain on the latest Boeing 787! Airasia has a few local female pilots, no Captains yet.
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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 12 2015, 11:02 PM)
If you put the vehicle on the dynamometer, I think you should be able to see the torque yields between 4k to 4.5k rpm. Red line is at 6k rpm, if the max torque remains flat up to 6k, depending on the trend of the torque drops, the max hp should be between 7k to 8k rpm but the fact is max hp occurs at around 6k rpm.
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If your car is stock, your max torque on wheel will be at 4500rpm before it dips (doesnt remain flat all the way to 6k). Max hp on wheels comes at around 5000rpm. After 5500rpm, hp will dip and by 6000rpm, is a straight drop. It is not possible to rev until 7k-8k rpm, as the ECU will cut the rev. Is a safety measure to make sure you dont blow your engine.

This is just my car's dyno chart. There may be variance with other 408T because it depends on engine conditions and also the fuel that it used.

Hope this helps.....
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post Nov 13 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(mtbk3 @ Nov 13 2015, 09:44 AM)
If your car is stock, your max torque on wheel will be at 4500rpm before it dips (doesnt remain flat all the way to 6k). Max hp on wheels comes at around 5000rpm. After 5500rpm, hp will dip and by 6000rpm, is a straight drop. It is not possible to rev until 7k-8k rpm, as the ECU will cut the rev. Is a safety measure to make sure you dont blow your engine.

This is just my car's dyno chart. There may be variance with other 408T because it depends on engine conditions and also the fuel that it used.

Hope this helps.....
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Your statement above has accurately described the power band and torque band of 408 Turbo's engine. My above statement was based on the assumption if the engine's torque remains flat all the way to maximum rpm which I think is very unlikely.

Do you still have your dynamometer test report with you? Mine to share with us?
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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 11:06 AM)
Your statement above has accurately described the power band and torque band of 408 Turbo's engine. My above statement was based on the assumption if the engine's torque remains flat all the way to maximum rpm which I think is very unlikely.

Do you still have your dynamometer test report with you? Mine to share with us?
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Here is the Dyno......



Attached File  Stock.pdf ( 92.25k ) Number of downloads: 138


This post has been edited by mtbk3: Nov 13 2015, 12:18 PM
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post Nov 13 2015, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(mtbk3 @ Nov 13 2015, 11:31 AM)
Here is the Dyno......
Attached File  Stock.pdf ( 92.25k ) Number of downloads: 138

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Many thanks for sharing the dyno report, this would be a useful reference among 408 Turbo owners.

May I know did they perform the run with the transmission in D mode or manual mode (which gear)?

This post has been edited by J1@l_ l_l l\l: Nov 13 2015, 12:26 PM
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post Nov 13 2015, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 11:42 AM)
But how can your torque remains flat even after horsepower starts to drop? Unlikely possible. I have never seen max horsepower comes before max torque, but feel free to surprise and enlighten me if you think I'm wrong.

EDIT : just noticed the attached dyno report, many thanks for sharing. I think the max. torque is the graph with the peak at somewhere below 4,500 r.p.m., and the max. power is the one with it's peak at somewhere below 5,500 r.p.m.. Which I think your initial description is correct.

May I know did they perform the run with the transmission in D mode or manual mode (which gear)?
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I am sorry again. I am confusing myself rclxub.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif doh.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif doh.gif Yes, my first description is correct.

I have edited that post to avoid spreading my own confusion to other readers. Truly sorry for that.
(Perhaps you should edit yours too. To keep the thread clean and free of my confusion. Paisehhhhh)



They dyno it on 4th gear (manual mode)
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post Nov 13 2015, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(mtbk3 @ Nov 13 2015, 12:21 PM)
I am sorry again. I am confusing myself  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif  doh.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif  doh.gif  Yes, my first description is correct.

I have edited that post to avoid spreading my own confusion to other readers. Truly sorry for that.
(Perhaps you should edit yours too. To keep the thread clean and free of my confusion. Paisehhhhh)
They dyno it on 4th gear (manual mode)
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OK Sir, edited as per Ur advice.
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post Nov 13 2015, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 12:27 PM)
OK Sir, edited as per Ur advice.
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Thank you.

OMG.......Something is wrong with me today....Blur and confuse like f***.......So sorry ya....Wanted to help but ended up i confuse.....LOL sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

Hopefully whatever i provided will be helpful......
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QUOTE(mtbk3 @ Nov 13 2015, 12:32 PM)
Thank you.

OMG.......Something is wrong with me today....Blur and confuse like f***.......So sorry ya....Wanted to help but ended up i confuse.....LOL  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

Hopefully whatever i provided will be helpful......
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It certainly is very helpful and don't mind the confusion.

I hope your 408 Turbo has been performing great.

Have you had any issue with the fuel pump, timing chain, air-conditioner compressor, or engine coolant temperature sensor?
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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 12:37 PM)
It certainly is very helpful and don't mind the confusion.

I hope your 408 Turbo has been performing great.

Have you had any issue with the fuel pump, timing chain, air-conditioner compressor, or engine coolant temperature sensor?
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*touch wood* My car is running great. I havent had any of the problems u mentioned. And i hope it doesnt happen.

Only problem i have is just some minor QC problem....But all solve already.....

Only issue i have now is the turbo wastegate rattling sound due the free play. Its annoying me. But i was told it is a normal. It happen when you rev and then let go the throttle. As the revs drop, you can hear that "klik klik klik klik" sound......

Other than that, my car is great........love it.....
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QUOTE(mtbk3 @ Nov 13 2015, 12:43 PM)
*touch wood*  My car is running great. I havent had any of the problems u mentioned. And i hope it doesnt happen.

Only problem i have is just some minor QC problem....But all solve already.....

Only issue i have now is the turbo wastegate rattling sound due the free play. Its annoying me. But i was told it is a normal. It happen when you rev and then let go the throttle. As the revs drop, you can hear that "klik klik klik klik" sound......

Other than that, my car is great........love it.....
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I see non mechanical issue as minor issue. Good to hear that you have not encountered any, tongue.gif touchwood tongue.gif

With regards to the turbine wastegate, do you mean linkage issue?
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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 01:02 PM)
I see non mechanical issue as minor issue. Good to hear that you have not encountered any,  tongue.gif touchwood tongue.gif

With regards to the turbine wastegate, do you mean linkage issue?
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No la. Just the "gate" has some freeplay. So it rattles.....
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QUOTE(mtbk3 @ Nov 13 2015, 11:31 AM)
Here is the Dyno......
Attached File  Stock.pdf ( 92.25k ) Number of downloads: 138

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Appreciate you sharing your stock dyno. Quite interesting to see how a Peugeot engine performs.

The choice of transmission does indeed affect the output of power and torque.

In comparison, a stock Golf mk7 tsi of similar turbocharged engine capacity outputs these sort of numbers.




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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 13 2015, 05:01 PM)
Appreciate you sharing your stock dyno. Quite interesting to see how a Peugeot engine performs.

The choice of transmission does indeed affect the output of power and torque.

In comparison, a stock Golf mk7 tsi of similar turbocharged engine capacity outputs these sort of numbers.
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Doesn't seem like the EA211 engine has a flat torque band from 1,500 r.p.m. to 3,500 r.p.m. but seems like the torque is higher than claimed. Was the run done using a very low gearing?

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