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post Mar 6 2019, 10:37 AM

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Say I have been taking fixed income with payslips and epf from my own company,

Does bank still look at the consistency of transaction on my company account? Say my kind of business only get payment every 3-4 months but still I am paying myself consistently every month as the amount is sufficient, does that works?
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QUOTE(thenazek @ Mar 6 2019, 11:37 AM)
Say I have been taking fixed income with payslips and epf from my own company,

Does bank still look at the consistency of transaction on my company account? Say my kind of business only get payment every 3-4 months but still I am paying myself consistently every month as the amount is sufficient, does that works?
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U need to decide whether to apply loan as an employee (payslip and personal bank account statement reflecting ur salary credit into that account) or as a business owner (6 mth company bank statement, BE form and income tax pymt slip)

Don't mix up both
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post Mar 6 2019, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Sep 24 2015, 10:54 PM)
Nowadays, applying for loan is never as easy as last few years time. We are having hard time accepting rejection, crushed and demotivated to continue purchasing our dream houses. So this is just a sharing, how we could prepare ourselves to get our loan approve.

(For people who owns business or starting their own business)
Every bank has their own appetite and each of their requirement will be different. Here I will give you few tips where every bank will definitely accept your loan without you delaying to get other documents done...
1. Already had sdn bhd business more than 2 years.

a) Remember to register your company under SSM.
b) Pay income tax Form B, be a good citizen.
c) Remember, if you pay tax. Try to pay PCB with your own account and not through your accountant company account. Trust me, this will save you alot alot of time and complexity when applying loan.
Bank will need the following documents

a. Your SSM registered cert >2 years
b. Income tax Form B
c. Your company bank statements

You are all set.
2. What if my company is less than 2 years or I work as a freelance.

a) Register a company with SSM
b) Open company bank current account
c) Register your company under KWSP
d) Contribute a fixed salary to yourself, lets'say RM6000 as your salary. Credit the amount monthly consistently form your company bank current account to your personal bank account. This will create a proper employee income proof.
e) Contribute KWSP to yourself, deduct 11% from your Rm6000 INCOME and 13% contributions from your own company.
(Bank will need to look at EPF and Bank statement credited salary as a proof of income)
f) Create your own payslips.
Now you can apply loan as an employee of your own company. Bank will need to look at you Payslips, bank statement with RM6000 credited monthly, EPF shows 11% and 13% contributed for your Rm6000 income.
This will be sufficient to apply loan.
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Why I can't use my company tax BE form or Company bank statement to apply for loan?
--- Because bank wouldn't look at company with SSM registered less than 2 years. That's why it is hard for people who just established company to apply for loan if they didn't prepare as I stated as above---
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Why I work as hawker and credit a monthly fixed income into my own account. Still, bank wouldn't accept my loan?
---Because your income doesn't shows where it comes from, bank view this as a very vague income proof. Bank will wonder where your income comes from, even you show him picture of you goreng chay kuew teow, it is not enough. They wouldn't accept your loan as you could be a syndicate crediting your income from drugs money.
Bank is a simple minded creature, all they need is a solid document to show them. Just follow point no.2 and you can apply loan easily. No matter you are a hawker, a freelancer, someone who earn a living from money dropping from skies or had a goose that lays gold egg. No problemo.-----
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Why bank wouldn't accept my loan when I have my company registered under SSM for 1.5 year and my company profit is very solid and strong. Moreover I am a responsible citizen who pays tax!!??
--- First of all, bank is quite cocky. They want to be insured that your business is strong and solid and not crumble when wind blows, company established more than 2 years will make them believe so.......lol.... anyway, bank will only accept loan application through your company income and profit if given your company has established for 2 years or more.
Other solution? Buy a empty shell company established more than 2 years old, with transaction in their bank statement...... this is not encourageable... but oh well.. -------
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great post and good sharing for those self-employed to justify their income. thumbup.gif bank only give loan for those proper income document such as income tax, 6 month company bank statement.
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post Mar 6 2019, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 5 2019, 10:13 PM)
Both hsbc and scb are experienced to deal with expat. as long as they are convinced, you are not on short term contract, don't see much issue to obtain housing loan.
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Will have to check with my banker on this. Both on holiday right now.

QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Mar 6 2019, 10:20 AM)
adui.. that call wife already, not misstress. married already still got problem ah? this country law so troublesome
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Either you need a pair of reading glasses or didn't know missus = mrs = wife smile.gif

laugh.gif She still needs a permit to work here and must renew every year.

QUOTE(Randomization @ Mar 6 2019, 10:36 AM)
If subjected to UK tax, then not subjected to MY tax lo. Won't double tax. Unless payment from MY.

I think you can use your UK tax to proof your income for local mortgage.
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That's good to know.
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post Mar 6 2019, 12:10 PM

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Thanks bro, very good advise.
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post Mar 28 2019, 12:18 AM

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Hello everyone,

our situation is quite difficult. We want to get a car loan - my wife is working as a contracted employee and also running a sole proprietorship. we registered SSM (more than 2 years ago) and opened current account. our company has only one client, from Germany, with partnership contract and fixed income of 11k a month. (remotely working for a german based company)

The bank told us now that they only use 10 % of the income for their calculation, so instead of 11k the base is only 1k. so we are getting rejected. What can we do to bring in the full 11k? it is very frustrating, we could easily afford a mercedes but we can not get a loan for a perodua coz they are using only 10 % for their calculation.

hope to get any ideas from you guys
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post Mar 28 2019, 08:39 AM

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Does yr german co pays you guys promptly each and every month and accordance to contract?
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post Mar 28 2019, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 28 2019, 08:39 AM)
Does yr german co pays you guys promptly each and every month and accordance to contract?
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yes, they pay us promptly every month and the beginning of the month
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post Oct 8 2019, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(smaerz @ Mar 28 2019, 12:18 AM)
Hello everyone,

our situation is quite difficult. We want to get a car loan - my wife is working as a contracted employee and also running a sole proprietorship. we registered SSM (more than 2 years ago) and opened current account. our company has only one client, from Germany, with partnership contract and fixed income of 11k a month. (remotely working for a german based company)

The bank told us now that they only use 10 % of the income for their calculation, so instead of 11k the base is only 1k. so we are getting rejected. What can we do to bring in the full 11k? it is very frustrating, we could easily afford a mercedes but we can not get a loan for a perodua coz they are using only 10 % for their calculation.

hope to get any ideas from you guys
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What partnership business is that? Automotive?
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post Oct 9 2019, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Sep 24 2015, 10:54 PM)
Nowadays, applying for loan is never as easy as last few years time. We are having hard time accepting rejection, crushed and demotivated to continue purchasing our dream houses. So this is just a sharing, how we could prepare ourselves to get our loan approve.

(For people who owns business or starting their own business)
Every bank has their own appetite and each of their requirement will be different. Here I will give you few tips where every bank will definitely accept your loan without you delaying to get other documents done...
1. Already had sdn bhd business more than 2 years.

a) Remember to register your company under SSM.
b) Pay income tax Form B, be a good citizen.
c) Remember, if you pay tax. Try to pay PCB with your own account and not through your accountant company account. Trust me, this will save you alot alot of time and complexity when applying loan.
Bank will need the following documents

a. Your SSM registered cert >2 years
b. Income tax Form B
c. Your company bank statements

You are all set.
2. What if my company is less than 2 years or I work as a freelance.

a) Register a company with SSM
b) Open company bank current account
c) Register your company under KWSP
d) Contribute a fixed salary to yourself, lets'say RM6000 as your salary. Credit the amount monthly consistently form your company bank current account to your personal bank account. This will create a proper employee income proof.
e) Contribute KWSP to yourself, deduct 11% from your Rm6000 INCOME and 13% contributions from your own company.
(Bank will need to look at EPF and Bank statement credited salary as a proof of income)
f) Create your own payslips.
Now you can apply loan as an employee of your own company. Bank will need to look at you Payslips, bank statement with RM6000 credited monthly, EPF shows 11% and 13% contributed for your Rm6000 income.
This will be sufficient to apply loan.
Q&A
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why I can't use my company tax BE form or Company bank statement to apply for loan?
--- Because bank wouldn't look at company with SSM registered less than 2 years. That's why it is hard for people who just established company to apply for loan if they didn't prepare as I stated as above---
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Why I work as hawker and credit a monthly fixed income into my own account. Still, bank wouldn't accept my loan?
---Because your income doesn't shows where it comes from, bank view this as a very vague income proof. Bank will wonder where your income comes from, even you show him picture of you goreng chay kuew teow, it is not enough. They wouldn't accept your loan as you could be a syndicate crediting your income from drugs money.
Bank is a simple minded creature, all they need is a solid document to show them. Just follow point no.2 and you can apply loan easily. No matter you are a hawker, a freelancer, someone who earn a living from money dropping from skies or had a goose that lays gold egg. No problemo.-----
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why bank wouldn't accept my loan when I have my company registered under SSM for 1.5 year and my company profit is very solid and strong. Moreover I am a responsible citizen who pays tax!!??
--- First of all, bank is quite cocky. They want to be insured that your business is strong and solid and not crumble when wind blows, company established more than 2 years will make them believe so.......lol.... anyway, bank will only accept loan application through your company income and profit if given your company has established for 2 years or more.
Other solution? Buy a empty shell company established more than 2 years old, with transaction in their bank statement...... this is not encourageable... but oh well.. -------
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Any other good suggestions or ideas, do present it out. This is and open ended discussion.
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Thank you boss... More tips on freelancer..

Then need to pay twice the tax? For company or individual? How does these works?
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post Oct 9 2019, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(smaerz @ Mar 28 2019, 12:18 AM)
Hello everyone,

our situation is quite difficult. We want to get a car loan - my wife is working as a contracted employee and also running a sole proprietorship. we registered SSM (more than 2 years ago) and opened current account. our company has only one client, from Germany, with partnership contract and fixed income of 11k a month. (remotely working for a german based company)

The bank told us now that they only use 10 % of the income for their calculation, so instead of 11k the base is only 1k. so we are getting rejected. What can we do to bring in the full 11k? it is very frustrating, we could easily afford a mercedes but we can not get a loan for a perodua coz they are using only 10 % for their calculation.

hope to get any ideas from you guys
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Yes bank will only use 10% based on bank statement depending on which industry you are in.

Some 20% i think..


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post Nov 12 2019, 01:03 AM

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hi if i work as a hawker i should register a ssm and open a current account. everyday bank in the profit money to the company account? and monthly pay to myself by bank transfer? and print payslip to loan?
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post Feb 28 2020, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Siao_Lang @ Oct 9 2019, 12:54 AM)
Yes bank will only use 10% based on bank statement depending on which industry you are in.

Some 20% i think..
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Many people already suggested that if I have a sole prop than I need to pay a salary every month to myself, pay EPF, PCB etc and than I can apply with the salary slips. Is this a proper way to solve the problem? will the bank accept the documents for a loan?
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Hi everyone. I have a bit of a problem and didn’t know where else to turn to. Hope some of u guys more experienced can help me out.

Basically I plan on taking out an education loan from a reputable organization (it’s not a bank). The loan requires me to have a co-applicant AND guarantor. Both have to earn a certain amount in order to qualify. The thing is, due to various reasons, I cannot ask help from any close family members because they either don’t earn the monthly income needed or they just refuse to. Toxic people.

Very uncommon issue but here is where it gets complicated. I think I’ve found a guarantor that’s willing to help me out but I’ve ran out of options for a co-applicant. Actually I currently work for a legit German-based company as a remote contractor. I started working for them at the beginning of the year and I earn enough to meet the income needed for a loan co-applicant. They pay me every month through PayPal.

I have a very close cousin that genuinely wants to help me out but he is my age, is a student and doesn’t have a stable job. We were actualy thinking of actually making him my co-applicant.. the way we will do this is open up a sole-proprietorship under his name (so it’s like self-employed), he’ll open up a current account, contribute to his epf as self-contribution monthly, and I will bear the costs by banking in the income I earn in into his current account so the bank statements match.

The monthly amount that we will be passing off as his “income” is slightly above the minimum amount required to file income tax at L/HDN. Would this work? I plan to do this starting October because I will be applying for the loan by middle of next year. How would I go about filing the taxes (that would be under his name)/borang BE?


Thank u everyone i appreciate any advice!
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post Jul 24 2020, 05:14 AM

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QUOTE(nodarig99 @ Jul 24 2020, 03:43 AM)
Hi everyone. I have a bit of a problem and didn’t know where else to turn to. Hope some of u guys more experienced can help me out.

Basically I plan on taking out an education loan from a reputable organization (it’s not a bank). The loan requires me to have a co-applicant AND guarantor. Both have to earn a certain amount in order to qualify. The thing is, due to various reasons, I cannot ask help from any close family members because they either don’t earn the monthly income needed or they just refuse to. Toxic people.

Very uncommon issue but here is where it gets complicated. I think I’ve found a guarantor that’s willing to help me out but I’ve ran out of options for a co-applicant. Actually I currently work for a legit German-based company as a remote contractor. I started working for them at the beginning of the year and I earn enough to meet the income needed for a loan co-applicant. They pay me every month through PayPal.

I have a very close cousin that genuinely wants to help me out but he is my age, is a student and doesn’t have a stable job. We were actualy thinking of actually making him my co-applicant.. the way we will do this is open up a sole-proprietorship under his name (so it’s like self-employed), he’ll open up a current account, contribute to his epf as self-contribution monthly, and I will bear the costs by banking in the income I earn in into his current account so the bank statements match.

The monthly amount that we will be passing off as his “income” is slightly above the minimum amount required to file income tax at L/HDN. Would this work? I plan to do this starting October because I will be applying for the loan by middle of next year. How would I go about filing the taxes (that would be under his name)/borang BE?
Thank u everyone i appreciate any advice!
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Why require co-spplicant ? Guarantor i can undrrstand.

You need to borrow and have to find another borrower too !
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post Jul 24 2020, 05:21 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 24 2020, 05:14 AM)
Why require co-spplicant ? Guarantor i can undrrstand.

You need to borrow and have to find another borrower too !
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I'm not sure but those are the rules. A co-applicant is required PLUS a guarantor. I dont know if I can find another person to vouch for my case, all my frends are college students and my other family members won't or can't cry.gif
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QUOTE(nodarig99 @ Jul 24 2020, 05:21 AM)
I'm not sure but those are the rules. A co-applicant is required PLUS a guarantor. I dont know if I can find another person to vouch for my case, all my frends are college students and my other family members won't or can't  cry.gif
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My advise is be careful with such lender and do they have any lending licence from BNM ?
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 24 2020, 05:30 AM)
My advise is be careful with such lender and do they have any lending licence from BNM ?
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thank you for ur response! yes they are legit it's k*jadi education loan. i dont want to take a bank loan as a majority of them require guarantors to be immediate family members and a guarantor with a sole prop (aka my plan w my cousin) would have to be in business for at least 2 years, both of which i dont have access to so i really donno
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QUOTE(nodarig99 @ Jul 24 2020, 05:40 AM)
thank you for ur response! yes they are legit it's k*jadi education loan. i dont want to take a bank loan as a majority of them require guarantors to be immediate family members and a guarantor with a sole prop (aka my plan w my cousin) would have to be in business for at least 2 years, both of which i dont have access to so i really donno
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Thought they are suppose to help poor student and yet they are making things difficult ... sure you understand right? Is it stated in the application form ?

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Jul 24 2020, 06:10 AM
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 24 2020, 05:56 AM)
Thought they are suppose to help poor student and yet they are making things difficult ... sure you understand right? Is it stated in the application form ?
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ya i agree it's definitely inconvenient. i asked them personally and thru email and it's required cry.gif

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