QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 16 2015, 07:26 PM)
Doubt so on that size
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Sep 16 2015, 07:36 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 09:39 AM
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Sep 19 2015, 03:12 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 03:47 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 19 2015, 11:15 PM) got may amour transport via planes. one at a time bro.. mpss pun belum dapat already want to next levelanyway back to new support ship. but actually base on my study our Navy should get USD180m joint high speed vessel (JHSV) as support role. off couse we still need JSS for open sea/deap sea like SCS support. so 2 JHSV + 1 JSS will be perfect. JHSV only 1500 tons can carry 600 tons cargo and personal and just about 100 meter long, so can send MBT/8x8/future SPH easily from Penisular and sabah/sarawak. also our navy base or port in Sarawak so small hard to park more than 150meter ship (except Sepanggar), and JHSV Draft only 3.8 meter, perfect suite to our navy base mostly in side small river like in Kuching, Semporna, Sandakan, our Peninsular Kuantan to Sarawak/ Sabah is about 800km & 1400km from sea. so due to JHSV can carry 600 tons include carry MBT tank and speed up to 4x knot, it can reach Sarawak in 11-12 hrs, and Sabah in 22-24hrs. this equal to 20x time 2 way fly of A400M to carry same amount tons. yet it can't carry MBT. it means more time taken by A400M to carry same amount tons. JHSV still can travel at 20-30 knot to save fuel, but still double speed of traditional transport ship which travel at speed 12-15 knot. mpss is suppose to also resolve/elevate some of the logistic issues between east and west malaysia. Docking issue most likely will require dock upgrade but i dont see why we cant dock at commercial ports for stop gap solution. The transportation from a commercial dock is better also compared to a naval port which located far from any transportation hub iinm the requirement was 2 mpss previously, one on duty while another on maintenance |
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Sep 19 2015, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 19 2015, 11:46 PM) i understand, just free chat well, long term solution would better plus the mpss will not play only transportation role. There already a few roles we want it to play once we get itbcos mpss also long and seems also costly to built 1 expected usd300m each, maybe can consider cheaper solution JHSV first, smaller version also have cost less than usd 100m well, some cargo is need high security like ammunition or missile, if can direct docking to navy base will be best solution. dock in commercial port need transport cargo and troops again to base, much more not efficient, not also sure need pay docking fees in commercial port or not. normally, ammunition and missiles is by planes for urgent needs. BTW, if u dont make a big huha no one will know what you are transporting Eg no one will know not there a missile inside a container unless u write there big big "Missile inside, Please Be Careful" |
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 20 2015, 12:00 AM) agree, MPSS still need for more role, i means we need suitable small transport ship can send lot cargo direct to all our big/small navy base west/east MY. i think those amphibious ships with well dock will be good enough.. for those smal small transportationso reduce logistic issue and time with speed if needed. also those JHSV, have speed so can reach location in humanitarian rescue mission area more faster compare to navy warship. |
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Sep 20 2015, 01:25 AM
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Sep 20 2015, 01:35 AM
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 20 2015, 01:26 AM) just in concept study, possible type 26 or Fremm upgrade version. 6000tons can very much a destroyer class already 2003 1 Gen -kedah class 1600 tons 2013 2 Gen -Gowind class 3000 tons 2023 3 Gen -New AAW Frigate 6000 tons. it more believable that we go for a improved gowind with AAW capabilities armed with sg formidable class weapon QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 20 2015, 01:29 AM) I think we pulled out of Type 26 already. At least so the UK side seems to think. But if we can it would be a really nice platform... singas would really crap pants. the type 26 faced various design delays in fact during gowind tender, the type 26 was not more a concept on paper while the gowind already have a basic designBut I'd settle for actually getting Gowind in mass production. |
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 20 2015, 01:42 AM) Yup, and Type 26 is *still* on paper only. And our Gowind has also been compared favourably with the notorious LCS. So I'm quite proud. Only problem is building the things.... sigh. anything is possible with $$$$ You think this theoretical AAW Gowind can get Aster? |
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 20 2015, 10:28 AM) well in euro trend now newest frigate already go to 6000 tons level after long experience and study. Cakap kencang but duit tak adacost ship/hull not much different from 4000 --> 6000 tons, just 5-7% increasing in cost, but improve space for crew, more store for food and ammunition, more weapon can fit, add multi-role mission bay, even quarantine bay most importance, bigger ship have more power for system, for future more and more system, electronic , sensor, radar, weapon requirement huge power. AAW Gowind or SG formidable only suite past and current requirement, but future thread after 2020 is different, also power supply in Gowind is limited. we must have more bigger ambition in navy strength。 remember we in SCS facing bigger thread at Spratly issue. before 2010 spratly issue not that hot. well UK already begin construct first 3 unit Type 26, fund already approval early this year. suppliier start make component, and hull section start assembly begin 2017 at shipyard. depend what type radar use in AAW Gowind, some radar support Aster some not. in euro have 2 type radar, 1 is support US weapon/missile, 2 type is support euro weapon and missile. More economical to just the existing gowind and upgrade it |
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Sep 20 2015, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 20 2015, 03:09 PM) De Zeven Provincien and Alvario De Bazan already exceed 6000 ton and both classified as frigate. And SG Formidable class is not that much more advance than the Gowind that we get. I might be mistaken, but i heard that the NSM has a precision strike capability against target on land. Excocet block 3 also got some ground strike capability. Not that uncommon anymoreWe might be seing a multirole missles similarly how we are seeing multi role planes and ships What set the formidable apart it its a ability for area defence on such a small vessel. Previously, it limited to destroyer class only. This is particularly usefully for fleet protection or convoy. What it lack it just it asw and anti surface suite which our gowind is more suited for that role. Therefore, it more a logical steps to armed the next batch of gowind with aster system and area defence capability. |
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QUOTE(keown83 @ Sep 21 2015, 07:30 PM) Su-30SM is the Su-30MKI/MKM for Russian Air-Force the mki by irkut was originally a trainer version (two seater) of the the su-30 family before they irkut take the initiate to upgrade it continuously bring in the first MKI for indiaeven Ruskies are impressed with Su-30MKI/MKM significance capabilities over Su-30MK that they had from Knaapo plant..& now they also switch to IAPO to get this awesome Su-30SM they also fare well because they have experience in interoperation of various electronic suite onto the su30 such as our mkm and india's mki while the knaapo is all rusian parts it was during testing that russian see potential of the export MKI and MKM in their inventory as they are the most advance version of the su-30 family tree they ever build that time. |
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Sep 22 2015, 05:47 PM) got french + russia + s.africa parts in it, and current conflicts wont allow joint production anymore there a way to by-pass the so call restriction which similar to what india dothe other only choice is su-30sm which is an evolution of the mki/mkm but then it has some israeli parts in it.. Buy the kit and assemble in Malaysia Not a full production line but more of a hanger for assembly works QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Sep 22 2015, 09:07 PM) only world of tanks |
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 22 2015, 09:57 PM) Gowind is too small to fit in PAAMS + SMART-L, if that the case.. Herakles would better, plus there a an updated version soon the size radar is huge for 3000 tons frigate, at lease 6000 tons level. also power requirement is huge. also SMART-L going to un-popular it will be replace with newest 4 fix panel AESA radar. Thales I-Mast is best for 3000 tons level balancing size and capability. Back to back we are looking at similar formidable class just on a diff hull |
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