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post Sep 18 2015, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 18 2015, 04:05 PM)
I remembered reading somewhere that the 'teeth-to-tail ratio' (the ratio of soldiers who do secondary work like logistics support or intelligence duties vs soldiers who are actually fighting on the front lines) in the US military is so massive, it was speculated that only 30% of the US military are front-line soldiers.

Wonder if this is true?  hmm.gif
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30% is already a not bad figure actually, and is confirmed in a McKinsey report dated 2012. In pre-industrial age wars the TTR was as high as 1:10. Low TTR doesn't directly mean better; the USMC has a TTR of around 1:2 but its a light infantry that doesn't have much armour and the TTR doesn't count the Army and Navy personnel who run their logistics support.
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post Sep 20 2015, 12:46 AM

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Laser cannons by 2020... just like JSF F35 by 2010... please.
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post Sep 20 2015, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 20 2015, 01:01 AM)
our RMN 3th Generation 6000 tons Frigate (NAAWF) project in 2023, will have High Energy Laser (HEL) defense system on board.  biggrin.gif
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I meant the "laser cannon on fighters" article.

Really? On our ship? I believe when I see it...
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post Sep 20 2015, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 20 2015, 01:14 AM)
mana dapat weed ni?
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HEW High Energy Weed.
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post Sep 20 2015, 01:29 AM

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I think we pulled out of Type 26 already. At least so the UK side seems to think. But if we can it would be a really nice platform... singas would really crap pants.

But I'd settle for actually getting Gowind in mass production.
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post Sep 20 2015, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 20 2015, 01:35 AM)
6000tons can very much a destroyer class already laugh.gif  which is beyond the realm of reality/ imagination

it more believable that we go for a improved gowind with AAW capabilities armed with sg formidable class weapon
the type 26 faced various design delays in fact during gowind tender, the type 26 was not more a concept on paper while the gowind already have a basic design
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Yup, and Type 26 is *still* on paper only. And our Gowind has also been compared favourably with the notorious LCS. So I'm quite proud. Only problem is building the things.... sigh.

You think this theoretical AAW Gowind can get Aster?
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post Sep 20 2015, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 20 2015, 10:28 AM)
well in euro trend now newest frigate already go to 6000 tons level after long experience and study.
well UK already begin construct first 3 unit Type 26, fund already approval early this year.
suppliier start make component, and hull section start assembly begin 2017 at shipyard. 
depend what type radar use in AAW Gowind, some radar support Aster some not.
in euro have 2 type radar, 1 is support US weapon/missile, 2 type is support euro weapon and missile.
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Frigate sizes AND costs are going up because most navies are trying to fit more capabilities onto lesser hulls as technology improves. The days of using frigates as throwaway ships are over.

Long-lead contracts for Type 26 have just been announced in August and the design is not 100% finalised yet, I am very doubtful they have started any major construction dude.

Maybe we can beg for some Type 23 as they are replaced...
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post Sep 20 2015, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 20 2015, 02:08 PM)
That why we need proper frigate。not like Gowind class ...
for Type 26, beginning 2015 major design already fix, and announce, major component already announce too.
current warship construction not like last time, it device to multiple section, so company involved this project just do their section, inlcude BAE it self.
and BAE only do final assembly all section together at shipyard. untill 2017, hard to see the ship, but went the start assembly, every ship can complete assembly in 6-9 month.
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Chinese say, suit ambition to your appetite. This kind of vessel will certainly cost us multi-billions of ringgit EACH - and for what? Hypothetical battle with China, who is one of our strongest trade partners? Meanwhile no money for helis for Kalimantan border, Thai border, end up begging Brunei for old helis.

Go read up on Type 26 status and building plan. Construction scheduled to start 2016, in service only 2022. The goal is not to build at high speeds but at lower speed to save cost and preserve their shipbuilding industry.
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post Sep 20 2015, 03:27 PM

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We're nowhere near the Formidable's AAA ability... can't even reach ESSM and Aster 15 level. But I heard the SGs think Gowind's electronics are better so... and while MM.40 is lovely I wish we had Otomat. Oh well.
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post Sep 20 2015, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Sep 20 2015, 09:22 PM)
aluminium alone is very weak against rpg and I doubt it can withstand HE shells either, deswai modern aluminium armor now comes with another layer ceramic armor

something to think about as rpg equipped infantry section is becoming a norm nowadays, including ours
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if your artillery is under RPG fire you're doing something wrong! biggrin.gif
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post Sep 20 2015, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 20 2015, 10:31 PM)
Counter-battery fire is also a concern for artillery units. Having decent protection is important in SPG design, if not you only have is an artillery gun on tracks.
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Yeah I know. The joke is about other kinds of fire.
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post Sep 21 2015, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 21 2015, 11:01 AM)
if that's the case armor n lightly armored makes not much of a diff
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Thats true, and thats for the army to assess the risk, perhaps balancing against factors like transportability, magazine size, etc.

The bit about SF infiltrators is actually quite relevant. Some countries plan to deploy SF units via air assault ahead of their army to cause trouble behind enemy lines. Artillery, supplies and depots would make great targets. Maybe thats why these countries also take care to armour their SPGs well.
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post Sep 22 2015, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Sep 22 2015, 03:11 PM)
Russia offers loan for this countries to buy its military asset.... indonesia,armenia,pakistan,venezuela, bangladesh... i bet russia will offer us the same loan if we want.....
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Now Russia under EU embargo, its time to strike deals biggrin.gif
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post Sep 22 2015, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Sep 22 2015, 03:17 PM)
I dont know whether using loan to purchase military equipments is a good practice from an economic POV...
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Much like a home loan, can extend payment over a longer time for cash poor nations. I dunno it depends.

but buying equipment when seller is desperate? Thats definitely good economic practice biggrin.gif
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post Sep 22 2015, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 22 2015, 04:57 PM)
plus SU series also much cheaper fighter.
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Was thinking of Kornet and Buk.

Professionals please come in, why don't we just buy more SU-30MKM?
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post Sep 22 2015, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 22 2015, 05:54 PM)
seem we already got 1 squadron SU30MKM, budget use for other squadron like Mig29 replacement.
Ex RMAF also mention RMAF np plan to get more Russia fighter,  maybe a litter bit issue on support ,remember engine damage, pilot seat ejected and aircraft and engine lifespan. although price is cheaper but operation cost much higher 
also now with MH17 issue, hard for MY buy any russia weapon.
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Celaka forgot the MH17... confirmed Russians will pressure that if any deals are to be made.

Sigh. Yeah Su-30MKI also have engine troubles. Buy kapitalis not komunis then...
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post Sep 22 2015, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 22 2015, 08:40 PM)
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My PS just dream idea for Gowind AAW spec ....  thumbup.gif
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Sememangnya dream. Type 26 kah? Just to fill up 1 ship you know what all thosr missiles will cost right? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 22 2015, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 22 2015, 09:51 PM)
Prefer FREMM,
ya about $100m,  if we construct 3-4 ship, cost still acceptable.
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Thats pre-songlap price. Gowind already RM1.6bn each how much do you think this will 'cost'?

Wasn't Aster 15 and ESSM already turned down in favour of MICA VL?
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post Sep 23 2015, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 23 2015, 12:57 AM)
yes, the results from TOT/IP is train many ship designer and engineering,
so Gov should BNS ask propose design 500 tons patrol ship to replace our Perdana, handaanl, Jerung Kris  gun boat (about 16 unit),  those ship design as patrol boat with cheaper cost to built, like usd 40-50m per-ship, basic surface radar+navigation radar, with 1x 40mm main gun + 12.7 navy gun as weapon should be enough. target 24-32 unit, construction can be divided to few local shipyard which have capability to construct it.  main job is for anti-Piracy/anti-smuggling/SAR. we have so many sea border issue, need alot patrol boat.
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If I see that project completed in time within a reasonable budget I will seriously raise the flag for BNS. But until then, TOT and IP... I don't believe it at all.
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post Sep 23 2015, 12:07 PM

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That article has been going round and well criticised already. Propaganda je.

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