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waja2000
post Sep 20 2015, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 20 2015, 04:11 PM)
Though exocet or even harpoon have land attack capability, It only have an active radar for terminal homing. That leave the task of guiding the missile to a land target to a GPS only. It'll not be a pinpoint strike weapon like a tomahawk.

NSM on the other hand use infrared imaging seeker for terminal homing, which mean it's more suited for precision strike. It has also a TERCOM guidance which will allow it to fly between terrain. It'll be like a mini Tomahawk.
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agree .... plus NSM more small easy to fit at ship.
i waiting NSM-VLS
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post Sep 21 2015, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 21 2015, 03:30 PM)
doh.gif  sos iran
no open tender?  hmm.gif
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BNS is like national military ship builder

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post Sep 21 2015, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 21 2015, 04:44 PM)
project after pjt got problem... still get more pjt... haih..
these failed state really kacau bilau...
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what is pjt ?
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post Sep 21 2015, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 21 2015, 04:44 PM)
project after pjt got problem... still get more pjt... haih..
these failed state really kacau bilau...
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what project got problem ?
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post Sep 21 2015, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 21 2015, 04:44 PM)
project after pjt got problem... still get more pjt... haih..
these failed state really kacau bilau...
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what project got problem ?
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 21 2015, 11:17 PM)
u think leh?
eh, paki buying from ruski? not prc?
no eurotank? lelz...
ekonomi hancur mau beli weapon, must be jokewi trying to please the military to prevent coup
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i dont think any,
PRC still niego on su35, possible deal may not going
they just like india niego with france, prc want fit su-35 with own parts, some electronic, modify system so can link to china AF system, integration prc missile.
indo still have budget on defense.
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post Sep 22 2015, 03:02 PM

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seems Su-30 and su-35 still have good demand. F15 no country like ? maybe worry US control too much.

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post Sep 22 2015, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 22 2015, 03:20 PM)
Much like a home loan, can extend payment over a longer time for cash poor nations. I dunno it depends.

but buying equipment when seller is desperate? Thats definitely good economic practice biggrin.gif
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plus SU series also much cheaper fighter.
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post Sep 22 2015, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 22 2015, 05:20 PM)
Was thinking of Kornet and Buk.

Professionals please come in, why don't we just buy more SU-30MKM?
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seem we already got 1 squadron SU30MKM, budget use for other squadron like Mig29 replacement.
Ex RMAF boss also mention RMAF np plan to get more Russia fighter, maybe a litter bit issue on support ,remember engine damage, pilot seat ejected and aircraft and engine lifespan. although price is cheaper but operation cost much higher
also now with MH17 issue, hard for MY buy any russia weapon.

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post Sep 22 2015, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 22 2015, 06:12 PM)
Celaka forgot the MH17... confirmed Russians will pressure that if any deals are to be made.

Sigh. Yeah Su-30MKI also have engine troubles. Buy kapitalis not komunis then...
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our gov also face political hu-ha if buy Russia weapon which use kill MH17 people. all pin point to russia weapon.
i don't think Gov willing take risk to to that at lease for 5 year later.
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post Sep 22 2015, 08:40 PM

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My PS just dream idea for Gowind AAW spec .... thumbup.gif

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post Sep 22 2015, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 22 2015, 09:06 PM)
Sememangnya dream. Type 26 kah? Just to fill up 1 ship you know what all thosr missiles will cost right? biggrin.gif
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Prefer FREMM,
ya about $100m, if we construct 3-4 ship, cost still acceptable.
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post Sep 22 2015, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 22 2015, 09:50 PM)
rather go for PAAMS with integrated SMART-L

closely similar to type 45
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Gowind is too small to fit in SMART-L,
the size radar is huge for 3000 tons frigate, at lease 6000 tons level.
also power requirement is huge.
also SMART-L going to un-popular it will be replace with newest 4 fix panel AESA radar.
Thales I-Mast is best for 3000 tons level balancing size and capability.

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post Sep 22 2015, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 22 2015, 10:07 PM)
Thats pre-songlap price. Gowind already RM1.6bn each how much do you think this will 'cost'?

Wasn't Aster 15 and ESSM already turned down in favour of MICA VL?
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well technically not that expensive, bcos Integrated Mast already include all Radarr, comms, sensor, electronic EOD, into a mast, it speed up installation on ship, no need each item install, cost just 10-20% higher on all item buy individually , but it also simplify maintenance later, all maintenance can be done inside mast in any time. cost about $50m each set, but can shorted ship construction+outfit 1 year time (also saving cost). I-Mast pre-construction in factory and ship to shipyard plug and play install. and it is complete all-in-one system for all radar/sensor/comms. much better perform than single unit.
As many discuss on early thread, Gowind Smart-S 3D radar only support ESSM and VL MIca, not support Aster missile. And RMN specify LCS-Gowind ship as ASW role, so anti-air capability just basic, so just accept with MICA-VL。just like France spec Fremm, as ASW role just with Aster 15 SAM, not include Aster 30 in ship.
also for Gowind, price tag is include about 20% TOT/IP cost and shipyard upgrade.

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post Sep 22 2015, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 22 2015, 10:03 PM)
if that the case.. Herakles would better, plus there a an updated version soon  laugh.gif

Back to back we are looking at similar formidable class just on a diff hull
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Integrated Mast is new generation combine sensor/comms/system all-in-one for new generation navy ship.
newer navy ship start adopt to use this kind concept. like FREMM-EL, Type 26, F125, Holland class. DDG1000. JSS

also Thales I-Mast 400/500 much better than Herakles with dual 4 fix panel AESA radar. and advantage of integration.






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post Sep 23 2015, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Sep 22 2015, 11:55 PM)
we keep paying for TOT/IP, but so far haven't see any result from it yet. shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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yes, the results from TOT/IP is train many ship designer and engineering, we should start built small vessel patrol boat first.
so Gov should BNS ask propose design 500 tons patrol ship to replace our Perdana, handaanl, Jerung Kris gun boat (about 16 unit, 40 year old ship), those ship design as patrol boat with cheaper cost and low level weapon to built, like usd 40-50m per-ship, basic surface radar+navigation radar, with 1x 40mm main gun + 12.7 navy gun as weapon should be enough. target 24-32 unit, construction can be divided to few local shipyard which have capability to construct it. main job is for anti-Piracy/anti-smuggling/SAR. we have so many sea border issue, need alot patrol boat.

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post Sep 23 2015, 09:38 AM

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they should built more small patrol vessel ...


Updated: Tuesday September 22, 2015 MYT 11:29:44 PM
Malaysian Navy needs more ships to improve security

KUALA LUMPUR: The Royal Malaysian Navy (TLDM) will require additional assets, especially ships, in order to step up security in local waters.
At the moment, six more multi-role naval vessels are needed, said Navy Chief Admiral Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar.
Speaking at a press conference during the Navy Media Day on Tuesday, he said the Navy needs to have 50 ships, but currently only has 44.
Abdul Aziz explained that apart from the assets mentioned, other naval systems are at a very satisfactory level.
"What is lacking are only platforms to conduct patrols and surveillance," he said.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015...avy-more-ships/

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post Sep 23 2015, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 23 2015, 11:59 AM)
Sup guys it been awhile.
Actually it not there is no results.
Bns actually come out with its own design for sgpv but it did not win and lost out to gowind class design.
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what you busy nowdays ?
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post Sep 23 2015, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 23 2015, 12:44 PM)
Having a few projects on hand and another fella get goreng sotong have to take over some of his work.
also have to travel to sg, viet and hk more frequent.
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wah can travel alot .... what industry you working ... defense ah?
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Sep 23 2015, 05:09 PM)
Hishammudin met with saudi defense minister... according to the news report, the meeting last for 2 hours ... i wonder the topic of their discussions... 2 hours of discussion definitely not a normal social visit

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i hope Saudi donate some light weapon please 。。。。like small tons (100-200) patrol boat.

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