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waja2000
post Dec 2 2015, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Dec 2 2015, 07:47 AM)
awal-awal ask Gov take mistral pay installment than ok loh .... too late chief ... laugh.gif
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post Dec 2 2015, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 2 2015, 10:36 AM)
Actually sgpv originally plan to have s100 uav.
They even tested it on the French gowind ship.
Later malaysia did not proceed as it might go above budget.
There are some rumors it might some sponsor for uav system.
So many twist and turn.  laugh.gif
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Fremm/Gowind will use Airbus DS Tanan 300 in future。 Airbus/DCNS in working on it.
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post Dec 2 2015, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Dec 2 2015, 01:46 PM)
Oto Melara 76mm Super Rapid Gun with stealth cupola finally installed on the Indonesian Navy first Sigma PKR 10514.

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Credit to antifamous & kruk.
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our Gowind sad use 57mm gun only. mad.gif mad.gif

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post Dec 2 2015, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 2 2015, 03:22 PM)
looks like the MMEA refuse to share with Army
even though they just can order new ones from DRB
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Thales fulmar one more capable on sea environment。 also better spec。
scaneagle use aircraft fuel so need add extra fuel tank.
Thales Fulmar use marine diesel fuel same with ship fuel.

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post Dec 2 2015, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 2 2015, 03:54 PM)
West does not need Isis to justify military spending.
They even spit tons of bs in buying f35 but they never include Isis inside those bs.
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how about using sulu threat in malaysia, so can justify buying MPA, MRSS, MBT, Attack helicopter,Amry transport helicopter etc..... biggrin.gif
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post Dec 3 2015, 02:25 PM

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new Training helicopter ?

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fr Marhalim Abas

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post Dec 4 2015, 09:34 AM

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why so many news from syria transfer here.
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post Dec 4 2015, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(Gregyong @ Dec 4 2015, 10:28 AM)
because many new toys being displayed there.
Libya and Nigeria only have your standard AA gun on a toyota tongue.gif
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feel make here become pandemonium .... no need so many news transfer here right.。。。。
#110 pages 80% reply is related to isis/syria ..... hmm.gif

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post Dec 4 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Gregyong @ Dec 4 2015, 10:59 AM)
it's because it's mostly RU news/propaganda sites boasting Russia's power and the threat of ISIS/Turkey/Nato/US.
and most of the time only RU news site spam military stuff that much because Russian population like the Russia stronk image......while most of the West cares more about Mariah Carey than the next nuclear missile.  whistling.gif

I mean seriously........how often do you see CNN or BBC boasting Nato's latest guns and stuff ? compared to RT and sputnik.
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actually both got 。。。。 laugh.gif
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post Dec 4 2015, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Dec 4 2015, 09:18 PM)
intresting...

seems Europe is not bothered with developing a Stealth Eurofighter
all forced to buy f35
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Europe no have threat each other country .... so no urgent requirement, also Airbus/BAE/Dassult no have budget to develop Stealth fighter.
China-Japan-South/North Korea-Taiwan always in Potential war threat ...
so they have to make powerful jet fighter (airforce)
powerful destroyer/frigate. l

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post Dec 5 2015, 07:23 PM

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well Spain postpone 13 A400M order,
how about RMAF take 2 unit of Spain order, it without refueling module, much cheaper too, 4 original for RMAF is with refueling module should be enough.
than continue pay via installment.
than we can retire C130H in 2022-2025 already.
btw, just dream since we no have budget.

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post Dec 7 2015, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Dec 7 2015, 09:19 AM)
Of course, but it's extremely dangerous. Imagine trying to kill something that solely designed to kill you. Get something wrong, and it's essentially a suicide mission for any attack airplane.
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well went your dominate air power, just time mater to taken out ...
jet fighter can flight close to your missile/radar base to release missile ( anti-radiation missile) or air-ground missile,even GPS/satelite precision guided glide bomb。 about 100-120km than leave the area, and your missile still not able to attack enemy jet fighter, your only can fire if jet figther close to half missile range. so after detect enemy missile depend how many missile your have to kill in coming missile. usually need fire 2 to counter each missile coming.
If have stealth figther more better,they can coming untill 80-90km release missile.

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post Dec 7 2015, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Dec 7 2015, 10:45 AM)
Very well-planned air defense coverage can nullify even a powerful air force. In 1973 Yom Kippur war Egyptian SAM system very effetively limited IDF air force ability to launch attacks. While the IDF still dominated the air-to-air battle due to its superior US-made fighters, but found it very hard to launch ground attacks in the face of Soviet-made SAM and AA gun batteries.

From some sources I read said out of IDF 303 aircraft lost in battle (not counting accidents and crashes), only about 12 were lost to air-to-air combat while the the rest were lost from SAM and AA fire.
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that is in 197X ...
technology change now huge different compare to 30 year ago. even 10 year ago.
as expert said went dominate air power you dominate all.
your can have good SAM defense, but depend how many stock missile your have, specially cost SAM now ....
anemy even can fire even empty warhead missile to reduce your SAM quantity.
as early intelligent already know estimate sam your have or type.
just time matter.

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post Dec 7 2015, 11:04 AM

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If US invite our RMAF to Red Flag, you think RAMF will attend ?
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post Dec 7 2015, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Dec 7 2015, 11:32 AM)
It's not like air defense tech also stayed still from the 70's. Fighter tech moved hand-in-hand with anti-aircraft tech. It's kinda inevitable. Any advantage each side has will inevitably be countered by the other.

Back then the Phantoms and Skyhawks were state-of-the-art fighters and still they got shot down by the SAMs of their generation. So it's not outside possibility today's latest-generation fighters can still fall victim to the latest-generation SAMs.
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yes, technically latest-generation SAM can take down modem aircraft.
but is not easy compare to last time, aircraft much easy to take down SAM from far distance,
SAM just take a beating, deplete war, depend how long can sustain.
compare technology, aircraft have more improvement in technology in aircraft also to air-ground missile, more type and more range
also jamming from aircraft.
if no have choice between defense SAM/ Jet fighter i will choose Jet fighter.

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post Dec 7 2015, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Dec 7 2015, 09:42 PM)
Can be consider as attack heli meh?

At best light attack heli, but should just be light scout heli right?
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scout and fire support helicopter.
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post Dec 7 2015, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 7 2015, 05:26 PM)
That depend on how effective it is on the layer defense.
For example Russia s-400 will have pantsir as point defense. If they decide it is not enough they could add combat air patrol, aew, signit aircraft and so on.
As for stealth fighter I think it will be hard for them to get close around 100km as they will get higher chances to be detected.
F18G will have tough luck to get close enough to jam those radar.
Defeating those s-400 will be toughest sead mission ever.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 7 2015, 05:30 PM)
I  prefer both.
You still need SAM to protect your airbase.
What the use of the runway being blast off.
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we only discuss SAM VS Jet fighter ... not other item include.
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post Dec 8 2015, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Dec 7 2015, 09:38 PM)
that the issues.. all come in one but all we have is the bits and pieces

MRSS suppose to enable fast deployment of force but also tak ada

SPH suppose to support tank but 10years until now tak ada

MRCA suppose to enable better ground attack and the mkm will solely focus in air to air combat but also tak ada

Medium air defense to support advancing force.. but until now still with manpads. Starstreak is still a point defence system

attack helo.. aiyo... kesian also tak ada
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wait after 2020 ....
we not buy new big item next few year.
if lucky many get 1 or 2 item.
MRSS / SPH not expensive depend which model.
if follow our current procurement culture ... hard to buy many military asset.

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QUOTE(azriel @ Dec 7 2015, 06:24 PM)
generally disappointed getting MD530G ....
so for next 10 year, basically dead chance getting Attack Helicopter already.. shakehead.gif

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post Dec 9 2015, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Dec 9 2015, 09:41 AM)
I don't get why people are scared of heavy tanks in tropical environment. The tank's caterpillar tracks spread out its weight over a larger area. Instead of concentrating all of its weight on a few road tyres like a normal wheeled vehicle, a caterpillar track spread the vehicle's weight over a significantly larger surface area, lowering the ground pressure.

A 65+ ton M1 Abrams tank has a lower ground pressure (100 Psi) than an average 1 ton family car (190 Psi). The main problem tanks have on soft ground or off-road situations are the tracks themselves, which are made from hard metal that will do damage to driving surfaces by churning up the soft ground, but that is the inevitable effect of using tracks on soft ground, not due to the weight of the vehicles themselves. Even a 1 ton vehicle using a caterpillar track will do this type of damage, so the weight of a tank is irrelevant in this matter.
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i think not say we can't use heavy tanks, it limited use area, is hard for transport.
our many small town road have many bridge over river or (parit) specially close to sea, only can support 40-50 tons, some new upgrade road one can support 60 tons, but i see before some even limited to 15 and 30 tons on road also have. if assume tanks 65 tons, plus lorry carry the tank about 13-14 tons, it over 75 tons. maybe main/federal road/highway can support it.


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