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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V), Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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post Sep 14 2015, 02:02 PM, updated 11y ago

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MAKLUMAT KORPORAT

Amanah Saham Nasional Berhad (ASNB) ialah anak syarikat milik penuh Permodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB) yang ditubuhkan pada 22 Mei 1979 untuk mengurus dana-dana unit amanah yang dilancarkan oleh PNB. ASNB juga bertanggungjawab untuk mendidik para pelabur mengenai faedah melabur dalam unit amanah melalui penganjuran seminar perancangan kewangan atau lebih dikenali sebagai Seminar 360, pada setiap hari di seluruh negara. Sejak pelancaran unit sulungnya Sekim Amanah Saham Nasional (ASN) pada 20 April 1981, PNB telah melancarkan sepuluh dana unit amanah yang lain iaitu Skim Amanah Saham Bumiputera (ASB), Amanah Saham Wawasan 2020 (ASW 2020), Amanah Saham Nasional 2 (ASN 2), Amanah Saham Malaysia (ASM), Amanah Saham Didik (ASD), Amanah Saham Nasional 3 Imbang (ASN 3), Amanah Saham Gemilang (ASG-Pendidikan, ASG-Kesihatan & ASG-Persaraan), Amanah Saham 1Malaysia (AS 1M) dan yang terbaru Amanah Saham Bumiputera 2 (ASB 2). Daripada 12 dana unit amanah ini, enam daripadanya ialah dana ekuiti berharga tetap, manakala selebihnya ialah dana ekuiti harga berubah-ubah yang merupakan dana-dana pendapatan, pertumbuhan dan seimbang.
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PRODUCTS

VARIABLE PRICE FUNDS

SEKIM AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL

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Objektif
Bagi menjana pulangan yang berpatutan dalam bentuk pengagihan pendapatan dan pertumbuhan modal kepada pemegang-pemegang unit melalui pelaburan dalam kepelbagaian portfolio.

Pelabur Sasaran
Pelabur yang memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan dan mencari peningkatan modal bagi jangka masa sederhana ke panjang.

Kelayakan
Bumiputera.
- Akaun Dewasa (18 tahun ke atas).
- Akaun Remaja (ibu bapa atau penjaga sah berumur tidak kurang 18 tahun yang melabur bagi kanak-kanak berumur 6 bulan hingga 18 tahun ke bawah).

Financial Year End: December 31
Historical Amanah Saham Nasional (ASN) Dividend Rate for past 6 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2008 - 5.50
2009 - 5.20
2010 - 6.00
2011 - 6.05
2012 - 6.30
2013 - 6.45
2014 -

Fund Performence past 3 years

Tahun Berakhir 31 Disember 2011 2012 2013

Kadar Pengagihan Pendapatan Seunit (sen) 6.05 6.30 6.45

Jumlah Pulangan (%) 5.33 11.45 11.36

NAB Seunit Tertinggi (RM) 0.8841 0.9046 0.9391

NAB Seunit Terendah (RM) 0.7703 0.8127 0.8225

AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL 2

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Objektif
Memberi peluang kepada pemegang-pemegang unit untuk mendapat pulangan dalam bentuk pengagihan pendapatan dan pulangan modal pada tahap risiko yang berpatutan melalui pelaburan dalam kepelbagaian portfolio sekuriti, terutamanya dalam ekuiti sekuriti Malaysia selaras dengan Suratikatan, Garis Panduan dan undang-undang sekuriti.

Pelabur Sasaran
Pelabur yang memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan dan mencari peningkatan modal bagi jangka masa sederhana ke panjang.

Kelayakan
Bumiputera 18 tahun ke atas.

Financial Year End: June 30
Historical Amanah Saham Nasional 2(ASN2) Dividend Rate for past 5 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2009 - 5.20
2010 - 5.20
2011 - 5.50
2012 - 6.50
2013 - 7.10
2014 - 6.90

Fund Performence past 3 years

Tahun Berakhir 30 Jun 2012 2013 2014

Kadar Pengagihan Pendapatan Seunit (sen) 6.50 7.10 6.90

Jumlah Pulangan (%) 6.56 14.13 9.47

NAB Seunit Tertinggi (RM) 1.2588 1.3783 1.4135

NAB Seunit Terendah (RM) 1.0504 1.1948 1.2447

AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL 3 IMBANG

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Objektif
Untuk menjana pertumbuhan modal dalam jangka masa sederhana hingga jangka masa panjang menerusi pelaburan dalam portfolio yang seimbang dan melalui pelaburan semula pengagihan pendapatan, sekiranya ada.

Pelabur Sasaran
Pelabur yang memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan serta mengharapkan pertumbuhan modal bagi tempoh jangka masa sederhana ke panjang.

Kelayakan
Warganegara 18 tahun ke atas.

Financial Year End: November 30
Historical Amanah Saham Nasional 3 (ASN3) Dividend Rate for past 5 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2009 - 7.00
2010 - 5.50
2011 - 6.00
2012 - 6.30
2013 - 6.40

Fund Performence past 3 years
Tahun Berakhir 30 November 2011 2012 2013

Kadar Pengagihan Pendapatan Seunit (sen) 6.00 6.30 6.40

Jumlah Pulangan (%) 3.17 11.64 10.86

NAB Seunit Tertinggi (RM) 1.1510 1.2010 1.2331

NAB Seunit Terendah (RM) 1.0522 1.0495 1.1124

AMANAH SAHAM GEMILANG

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Financial Year End: March 31
Historical Amanah Gemilang Pendidkan (ASG-P) Dividend Rate for past 6 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2009 - 5.50
2010 - 5.50
2011 - 5.60
2012 - 7.00
2013 - 7.10
2014 - 7.10

Financial Year End: March 31
Historical Amanah Saham Gemilang Kesihatan (ASG-K) Dividend Rate for past 6 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2009 - 6.00
2010 - 6.00
2011 - 6.10
2012 - 7.10
2013 - 7.20
2014 - 7.20

Financial Year End: March 31
Historical Amanah Saham Gemilang Persaraan (ASG-P) Dividend Rate for past 6 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2009 - 5.00
2010 - 5.00
2011 - 5.10
2012 - 7.05
2013 - 7.30
2014 - 7.05
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[FIXED PRICE FUNDS]

SKIM AMANAH SAHAM BUMIPUTERA

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Objektif
Untuk menjana pulangan jangka panjang yang kompetitif dan konsisten kepada pemegang-pemegang unit di samping memastikan pengekalan modal pada tahap toleransi risiko yang minimum.

Pelabur Sasaran
Pelabur yang memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan serta menjangkakan manfaat dari pertumbuhan jangka panjang tabung hasil pelaburan semula pengagihan pendapatan (sekiranya ada) dan penerimaan pendapatan (sekiranya ada) ke atas pelaburan mereka.

Kelayakan
Bumiputera.
- Akaun Dewasa (18 tahun ke atas).
- Akaun Remaja (ibu bapa atau penjaga sah berumur tidak kurang 18 tahun yang melabur bagi kanak-kanak berumur 6 bulan hingga 18 tahun ke bawah).

Financial Year End: December 31
Historical Amanah Saham Bumiputera (ASB) Dividend Rate for past 6 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2008 - 7.00 + 1.75
2009 - 7.30 + 1.25
2010 - 7.50 + 1.25
2011 - 7.65 + 1.15
2012 - 7.75 + 1.15
2013 - 7.70 + 1.00
2014 -
(Dividend) + (Bonus)


AMANAH SAHAM WAWASAN 2020

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Objektif
Untuk memberi kadar pulangan yang berpatutan kepada pemegang-pemegang unit menerusi pelaburan dalam portfolio terpilih yang terdiri daripada pelaburan yang dibenarkan.

Pelabur Sasaran
Pelabur yang memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan serta mengharapkan manfaat dari pertumbuhan jangka panjang tabung hasil pelaburan semula pengagihan pendapatan (sekiranya ada) dan penerimaan pendapatan (sekiranya ada) ke atas pelaburan mereka.

Kelayakan
Warganegara.
- Akaun Dewasa (18 tahun ke atas).
- Akaun Remaja (ibu bapa atau penjaga sah berumur tidak kurang 18 tahun yang melabur bagi kanak-kanak berumur 6 bulan hingga 18 tahun ke bawah).

Financial Year End: August 31
Historical Amanah Saham Wawasan 2020 (ASW2020) Dividend Rate for past 6 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2009 - 7.00
2010 - 6.30
2011 - 6.50
2012 - 6.60
2013 - 6.70
2014 - 6.60

AMANAH SAHAM MALAYSIA

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Objektif
Untuk memberi peluang kepada pemegang-pemegang unit membuat pelaburan jangka panjang yang menjana pulangan yang kompetitif dan berterusan menerusi pelaburan dalam portfolio yang dipelbagaikan.


Pelabur Sasaran
Pelabur yang memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan serta mengharapkan manfaat dari pertumbuhan jangka panjang tabung hasil pelaburan semula pengagihan pendapatan (sekiranya ada) dan penerimaan pendapatan (sekiranya ada) ke atas pelaburan mereka.

Kelayakan
Warganegara.
- Akaun Dewasa (18 tahun ke atas).
- Akaun Remaja (ibu bapa atau penjaga sah berumur tidak kurang 18 tahun yang melabur bagi kanak-kanak berumur 6 bulan hingga 18 tahun ke bawah).

Financial Year End: March 31
Historical Amanah Saham Malaysia (ASM) Dividend Rate for past 6 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2009 - 6.25
2010 - 6.30
2011 - 6.38
2012 - 6.80
2013 - 6.50
2014 - 6.60

AMANAH SAHAM DIDIK

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Objektif
Untuk memberi peluang pelaburan yang dapat menjana pulangan dan pertumbuhan pelaburan jangka panjang yang berpatutan kepada pemegang-pemegang unit

Pelabur Sasaran
Pelabur yang memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan dan mengharapkan pertumbuhan modal bagi jangka masa panjang dari pelaburan semula pengagihan pendapatan (sekiranya ada), sebagai persediaan keperluan kewangan bagi tujuan perbelanjaan pendidikan pelabur dan ahli keluarga pada masa hadapan.

Kelayakan
Bumiputera.
- Akaun Dewasa (18 tahun ke atas).
- Akaun Remaja (ibu bapa atau penjaga sah berumur tidak kurang 18 tahun yang melabur bagi kanak-kanak berumur 6 bulan hingga 18 tahun ke bawah).

Financial Year End: June 30
Historical Amanah Saham Didik (ASD) Dividend Rate for past 5 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2009 - 6.30
2010 - 6.35
2011 - 6.50
2012 - 6.60
2013 - 6.80
2014 - 6.60

AMANAH SAHAM 1MALAYSIA

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Objektif
Objektif pelaburan AS 1Malaysia adalah untuk mendapatkan peluang pelaburan yang menjana pendapatan yang konsisten dan berterusan di samping mengekalkan modal pelaburan para pemegang unit di dalam tempoh jangka panjang melalui portfolio pelaburan yang dipelbagaikan.

Pelabur Sasaran
- Pelabur jangka masa sederhana dan jangka masa panjang.
- Pelabur yang memahami pulangan dan risiko.
- Pelabur yang ingin mendapatkan pulangan dari pengagihan pendapatan, sekiranya ada.

Kelayakan
Warganegara.
- Akaun Dewasa (18 tahun ke atas).
- Akaun Remaja (ibu bapa atau penjaga sah berumur tidak kurang 18 tahun yang melabur bagi kanak-kanak berumur 6 bulan hingga 18 tahun ke bawah).

Financial Year End: September 30
Historical Amanah Saham 1Malaysia (AS1M) Dividend Rate for past 5 years
Net Distribution per unit (sen)
2010 - 6.38
2011 - 6.50
2012 - 6.60
2013 - 6.80
2014 - 6.60

AMANAH SAHAM BUMIPUTERA 2

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Objektif
Menjana pulangan jangka panjang yang konsisten di samping memastikan pengekalan modal pemegang unit dengan menyertai pelaburan di dalam portfolio aset campuran.

Pelabur Sasaran
Dana ini sesuai untuk pelabur yang mempunyai profil yang berikut:

- Memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan.
- Mencari instrumen pelaburan jangka panjang yang berpotensi untuk menjana pulangan
tahunan yang lebih baik daripada kadar
pulangan purata Sekuriti Kerajaan Malaysia
(Malaysia Government Securities, MGS)
5-Tahun.

Kelayakan
Bumiputera.
- Akaun Dewasa (18 tahun ke atas).
- Akaun Remaja (ibu bapa atau penjaga sah berumur tidak kurang 18 tahun yang melabur bagi kanak-kanak berumur 6 bulan hingga 18 tahun ke bawah).
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post Sep 14 2015, 02:03 PM

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Calculation upon Variable Price Fund using ASG as an example.

NAV of the day you invest - 1.1800
Amount of MYR invested - 10000
Units in hand - 8474.58
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Dividend pay on the financial year end - 7.0%
Dividend - 593.22 MYR
NAV of the day - 1.1300
Units paid - 524.97
Total units in hand - 8999.55
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If lets say you want to cash out that day
you will get 10169.49 MYR
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If you stay for 5 years
Y1 - 8999.55
Dividend - 6.8%
NAV - 1.1500
9531.69 MYR


Y2 - 9531.69
Dividend - 6.8%
NAV - 1.1580
10091.41 MYR


Y3 - 10091.41
Dividend 6.8%
NAV - 1.1600
10682.98 MYR

Y4 - 10682.99
Dividend 6.8%
NAV - 1.1700
11303.88 MYR

Y5 - 11303.88
NAV 1.18
Total cash in hand - 13338.58.
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Comparing with FD ( Compounding ) Flat rate 4.0% p.a.
Y1 - 10000
Y2 - 10400
Y3 - 10816
Y4 - 11248.64
Y5 - 11698.58
In MYR.
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Of course you CAN'T invest fully in 1 method only. FD is the best among all when it come to risk. Thus, don't put all eggs in 1 basket. Diversify it.
And see things do happen like now. Crude oil, flood, all affecting nation as well as MY will affecting the BURSA and thus ASG.
Hope I help in this post. Feel free to ask me. My answer may be incorrect but I can tell you some info that banker reluctant to tell you.
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Just to share some info I got ASNB official page.

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ASG Pendidkan
Novagni Cat - MIXED ASSET MY
Fund rating - 2 stars
Peer ranking - 30/42
Unit in circulation - 311.15 Mil Units.

ASG - Kesihatan
Novagni Cat - EQUITY MY
Fund rating - 3 stars
Peer rating - 53/75
Unit in circulation - 409.32 Mil Units.

ASG - Persaraan
Novagni Cat - MIXXED ASSET MY
Fund rating - 3 stars
Peer rating - 21/42
Unit in circulation - 136.64 Mil Units.

** Collectively the three unit trust under the umbrella of ASG have cumulative maximum size of 1.0 billion unit.

*** Potential investor are those who understand investment risk and rewards and are seeking growth of capital over long term period and plan to fulfil the financial requirement for their education/medical expenses/retirement.
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post Sep 14 2015, 02:04 PM

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Frequently Ask Question [READ ME]

1 - I am a non-bumiputera. And I am totally new to this. Which fund should I go?

Variable Price Funds. Only ASG, and ASN3. Currently only have this two option for you. For those who having any account on Fixed Price Funds, you can keep trying to top up with no guarantee you able to get additional units. And to newcomer you can't apply for new account for Fixed Price Funds anymore except ASNB announce any additional unit to be done on particular fund. Thus, and ultimately, the only choice is that ASG and ASN3. But, now this two fund is approaching its maximum unit availability according to ASNB.

2 - I am a bumiputera. And I am totally new to this. Which fund should I go?

Follow this order, you will never go wrong. ASB - ASB 2 - ASW2020 - ASM - ASD - AS1M.

3 - Any online transection allow?

Yes, one of them is m2u. Others may have but need confirmation from others member. However only apply to bumiputera also. Why? Back to #1. Normally, the money will be transacted but it will be returned when there is no unit available. However the administration fees, 1.06 MYR will not be returned.

4 - EPF?

Yes. But details need an expert to explain it.

5 - Where can I buy the unit?

Agents. Pos MY, MBB, RHB, CIMB. And ASNB office as well.

6 - Best time to buy?

No specific time but, most people do say that. Before any big festive sessions, school reopen and any occasion that need money. However, you don't know when people do need those money.

7. Places to try opening new Fixed Price Fund for the Non-Bumipuitera.

Maybank - KLIA2, Bdr Bkt Tinggi 1, Klang Town, D'sara Uptown, KL Sentral, Cheng & Graha Peladang (Melaka), Rampai Biz Park, Karak
ASNB - Melaka
PosMalaysia - Shah Alam, Triang
CIMB - Bangi
RHB - Padungan

Places above are based on user experiences. And they managed to open the precious account on the mentioned location.

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post Sep 14 2015, 02:05 PM

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Current Issues -

- Risk of changing FP to VP
- Risk of being taxed
- Risk of the falling MYR affecting the funds performance
- Risk of the withdrawal limit

However. All the risks mentioned isn't proved, yet. Just some opinion from the forumers.

Resolved

- FP to VP.
Anything happen, there will be an announcement. Thus, needless to panic on this.

- Taxing.
Normally, it will be renewed automatically. And the latest will be on 17/18.

- Falling MYR.
No, because ASNB invest 100% in local market. (Confirmed)

- Withdrawal limit.
In agent, maybe yes if you want to take your units as cash. But not having any limit when transferring to CASA.

Latest

VALUECAP IS BACK!!!

Equally owned by KWAP, PNB, Khazanah.
What we can do now is see how this 20bil act on KLCI. And making further interpretation.

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post Sep 16 2015, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 15 2015, 10:33 PM)
Not 20Bil? If 200Bil KLSE should shoot past 2000!
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lol tq. corrected. At night too sleepy. yea. if 200 bill will be good!! lol!!
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post Sep 16 2015, 07:26 AM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Sep 15 2015, 10:58 PM)
100% of the unit trust fund is invested in Malaysia. So "mainly' is rather, an inaccurate word to use in this case.
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Corrected.
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post Sep 16 2015, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Manada @ Sep 16 2015, 12:25 PM)
thanks for the reminder. Since I am 19 I will go with my parents to either one of the locations mentioned on the first page.
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Just give a try on ASM first. They are more willing to do it.


Btw. lucifah please pin this post thanks.
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post Sep 16 2015, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Manada @ Sep 16 2015, 12:40 PM)
@.@ sorry what's ASM? You mean ASM branches?
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I thought I make it quite clear...

Go to agent. Take number ir ask then want open ASM account. Then apply. Then "bank in" like your saving account. Done.

But. Please be aware that this is investment after all. The risk is there but basically its save.

Try read the top 5 post again.

Any question can still ask here.
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post Sep 16 2015, 01:08 PM

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Try go kl central maybank.

But since you have intention to play forex or stock.... I think any asx product isn't suitable you. You risk appetite is so high lol.

Asx is all low risk.
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post Sep 16 2015, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Manada @ Sep 16 2015, 02:31 PM)
unsure.gif wat's the difference? Aren't ASN3 part of ASX? ASX is a term to call all the products offered right.
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...........

For now fixed price > variable price.

But now the NAV is low. Can buy in. But don't know la. The NAV will rebound or not....

Those big shot already lack confident in Malaysia econ for coming three years.
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post Sep 18 2015, 12:45 PM

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Guys I am back from bora island. I think k/ really cant take much critics and sarcastic. Which a flaws cant be find in old k/.

Anyways, just want to know regarding the AS1M, can we open our account online? Or need to open over the counter? Becasue now units are available... Why take the trouble go here and there begging lol.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 18 2015, 12:50 PM)
sorry bro. opening new account need to use old style.. go to branch & beg to open  cry.gif

top-up can do online, but update passbook still old school.. OTC  tongue.gif
lol u kena bora2 ker? how many days suspended?  hmm.gif
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Aiya.... I tot can.

Erm, how about can I top up asm or 2020 online or not? Because this thing I don't usually like to do it on9.

Yea. 1 day. I don't understand why. Really. I dint say any sensitive also. Just asking people stay safe and some joke. Maybe they take the joke really seriously.
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post Sep 18 2015, 02:33 PM

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Like that one ar the online. Messy then normal online banking lehh. Don't want lo like that.

Btw, really glad to see some old kakis is BACK!!!!!
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 18 2015, 02:48 PM)
Look at it this way. You pay RM1.06, no need to find parking, burn petrol waste time waiting. To update your book, simply walk into the the nearest bank at your workplace about 330-4pm (usually asx counter will not have many people at that time) and update the book.
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Hehehehehe....
I don't need all that....
Because this is city style.
I am using kampung style. My kampung so special one. Even the population is far less, but what bank also got although in small scale. And some of them are friendly but some of them are not you know kampung people.. And what the best is that no need you go top up lol. Because top up no need book ma. I tot u ad know that wat... U can ask your family member help you. If want update book, then only need you to present ma.
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 18 2015, 05:06 PM)
Practice risk management or limited bullet?
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So how the fed today got hike rate or not?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 18 2015, 05:20 PM)
But still perfer old school. See yourself the unit masuk. Shiok sendiri.  tongue.gif  drool.gif

Fed didn't increase interest.
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So, if the fed dint increase the rate...... our market should be? KLCI today drop alot.
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QUOTE(felicious @ Sep 22 2015, 07:17 PM)
I'm very new in this. I have an account with little money in  AS 1Malaysia .

I saw that you guys can top up money in the account, and by just dropping by in banks to check, whether is there any lot available?
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Yea. Now you can buy it really easy compared to last few years.

Feel free to try open up ASM and ASW too.
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QUOTE(felicious @ Sep 22 2015, 09:37 PM)
But I'm not Bumi. Is it easy too?
Home branch as in MBB home branch or the place I opened the 1Malaysia account? I remember starting the account in some other office with my parents.
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Yea. If you have the confidence just inject! But the AS1M I think suspended for dividend calculation.. you still can try open ASM or ASW.

Branch if can go kl central. Mbb. Really helpful stuff!
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 22 2015, 09:44 PM)
That's what all of us have been doing these past few months. Topping up. As ancient and wiliam said now is very easy to topup. Banks will tell you full. Fully subscribe. Tell them if got unit, one can buy. Please check. If one bank refuse to check, simply go to the next bank.

No need to go back to where you open. Any agent bank and post office. Topping up is easy. But opening new account needs more work.

Depends on whether you
1) Have the $$$
2) Have the confidence
3) Have the time (you van now topup online)
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Yea. Now don't wasting time go beg to try. Go over another branch when rejected. Not worth the time for now. This opportunity is good. As for me, mbb and pos still best.

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