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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V), Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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plumberly
post Sep 30 2015, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Sep 30 2015, 05:11 PM)
Here's the 0.1% derived.
500k*6.4%=32k

500k*6.5%=32.5k (Additional 500)  tongue.gif

If 0.01%, your capital even bigger.  biggrin.gif
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I see.

My 500 is the cost of HiMedia player I am thinking of getting.

Different basis mah.

So cannot buy the player now as there is no extra bonus. Ha.
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post Sep 30 2015, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 25 2015, 06:56 PM)
I expect AS1M dividend to be announced on this Monday noon.

Expect 6.4%. Hope it will be higher than 6.4%, at least RM500 more than my expectation. Why? I want to get a media player (either HiMedia H8 or Minix Z64). Then it will be a nice present from ASNB! Ha.

I know it is off topic, but if you know or are using a good media player, please share 2 lines here (brand and why you find it BAGUS!). I am already following the android etc threads here. There may be some friends here not in those threads. So ...

Thanks!
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 30 2015, 05:39 PM)
I see.

My 500 is the cost of HiMedia player I am thinking of getting.

Different basis mah.

So cannot buy the player now as there is no extra bonus. Ha.
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Correct ma bro. >6.4%, equals to 6.5% so theoretically additional RM500 with 0.1% increment. blush.gif
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post Sep 30 2015, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 30 2015, 05:17 PM)
I dubt so. Traditionally, ASM has always had a lower payout than ASW2020. If ASW2020 managed to get 6.40% for 2014/2015, with the ongoing probs in the country, the KLSE and in the loaning of funds to help out in the MGS and for Valuecap, the dividend for ASM for the 2015/2016 period should be, at most, 6.20%.  hmm.gif
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ASNB announced 6.60 sen dividend for Amanah Saham Malaysia (ASM) for financial year end 31st March 2015.
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post Sep 30 2015, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 30 2015, 05:17 PM)
I dubt so. Traditionally, ASM has always had a lower payout than ASW2020. If ASW2020 managed to get 6.40% for 2014/2015, with the ongoing probs in the country, the KLSE and in the loaning of funds to help out in the MGS and for Valuecap, the dividend for ASM for the 2015/2016 period should be, at most, 6.20%.  hmm.gif
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wah if 6.20% next year means it's historical low nod.gif

lowest is 6.25% in 2009
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post Sep 30 2015, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 30 2015, 06:01 PM)
ASNB announced 6.60 sen dividend for Amanah Saham Malaysia (ASM) for financial year end 31st March 2015.
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Yeah,.. am aware of that. That's because the results back then have not reflected in totally the slump that we experienced in the last few months. That's why we still got 6.60% for ASM in April 2015. Then when the time came for ASW2020 to report, quite a huge effect of the slump has been taken into account, hence the lower dividend compared to ASM.
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post Sep 30 2015, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 30 2015, 06:12 PM)
wah if 6.20% next year means it's historical low  nod.gif

lowest is 6.25% in 2009
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Yeah,... just OT a bit,... if I converted the principle into the SGD and bought Keppel Corp today with the funds, I'll be getting 7.08% annual dividend, paid to me two times per year. Even if this dividend drops to 6.50% due to lower DPU because of earnings problems, I'll still equal the ASM yield which pays out only once per year.

Just food for thought, since I've been following and comparing with the SG stocks recently.

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Sep 30 2015, 05:45 PM)
Correct ma bro. >6.4%, equals to 6.5% so theoretically additional RM500 with 0.1% increment.  blush.gif
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> 6.4% can also be 6.9% mah. Ha.

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post Sep 30 2015, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 30 2015, 06:37 PM)
Yeah,... just OT a bit,... if I converted the principle into the SGD and bought Keppel Corp today with the funds, I'll be getting 7.08% annual dividend, paid to me two times per year. Even if this dividend drops to 6.50% due to lower DPU because of earnings problems, I'll still equal the ASM yield which pays out only once per year.

Just food for thought, since I've been following and comparing with the SG stocks recently.
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U didn't take into account capital depreciation, if any
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 30 2015, 06:32 PM)
Yeah,.. am aware of that. That's because the results back then have not reflected in totally the slump that we experienced in the last few months. That's why we still got 6.60% for ASM in April 2015.  Then when the time came for ASW2020 to report, quite a huge effect of the slump has been taken into account, hence the lower dividend compared to ASM.
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winyap991 post of "ASM 6.6 for 2015" was referring to the one declared in April2015 not April2016, I think. rclxub.gif
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post Sep 30 2015, 07:15 PM

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Full announcement on AS1M dividend by ASNB
http://www.asnb.com.my/v3_/pdf/media/berit...sia_2015_BM.pdf
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post Sep 30 2015, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 30 2015, 07:05 PM)
U didn't take into account capital depreciation, if any
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I agree with that. The lowest that Keppel Corp ever dropped to was back in 2008 when it hit 3.29. Will it ever drop back to $3.29 ? Nobody can tell for sure.

But what I can tell for sure is in 2008, it gave a total DPU of SGD0.69 which was the highest DPU given ever. Subsequently, year-after-year, the dividend payout has been quite consistent, even through the Euro crisis. I think I can live with the highest dividend for that year when the stock price hits its lowest level, and subsequently recovered.

Coming back to our PNB funds, even though the chance is quite remote that the FP funds will be converted to VP, there is still a possibility since the terms are in the Master Prospectus. Secondly, what about the tax exemption clause by end-2016 ?

Added : the question then becomes are we willing to take a risk for a big drop in capital appreciation back to the subprime crisis level of $3.29 for an additional 0.5% dividend yield, paid twice a year, in a currency that has a higher chance of winning in the long run against the RM and with its origin based in a better country with less of the problems that we are facing in this country ?

Will Keppel Corp drop back to so low as $3.29 ? Don't forget that it is a strong company with a big mkt cap, and a dividend payout that will support the price.

This post has been edited by Hansel: Sep 30 2015, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 30 2015, 07:06 PM)
winyap991 post of "ASM 6.6 for 2015" was referring to the one declared in April2015 not April2016, I think. rclxub.gif
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I see,... okay, I misunderstood then if he was talking about the dividend for 2014/2015. Yes, for period 2014/2015, the dividend payout was 6.60%.

But I believed we are more concerned with what sort of dividend payout will we enjoy for period 2015/2016, to be announced at end-April, 2016.
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looks like guy3288 Post #464 is "indirectly" true after all

"Kapasiti pengagihan yang mampu dibayar oleh PNB bagi setiap unit AS1M ialah 6.90 sen seunit"

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v8/bm/bu/ne....php?id=1175517
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 30 2015, 08:27 PM)
looks like guy3288 Post #464 is "indirectly" true after all

"Kapasiti pengagihan yang mampu dibayar oleh PNB bagi setiap unit AS1M ialah 6.90 sen seunit"

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v8/bm/bu/ne....php?id=1175517
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6.9 cents per unit ... that's pretty low
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 30 2015, 08:29 PM)
6.9 cents per unit ... that's pretty low
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yup. it's low. ASW2020 "actual" capacity 8.5 sen per unit.

last year AS1M I think around 8sen per unit nod.gif

This post has been edited by nexona88: Sep 30 2015, 08:39 PM
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post Sep 30 2015, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 30 2015, 08:29 PM)
6.9 cents per unit ... that's pretty low
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Net amt c/f is 0.50 cts cry.gif
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 30 2015, 08:29 PM)
6.9 cents per unit ... that's pretty low
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At least they are truthful n not blowing up a higher rate. hmm.gif
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post Sep 30 2015, 09:07 PM

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Anyone top up tmrw?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 30 2015, 09:07 PM)
Anyone top up tmrw?
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Update passbook only.
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post Sep 30 2015, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 30 2015, 09:00 PM)
At least they are truthful n not blowing up a higher rate. hmm.gif
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This I agree. At least some form of transparency. Hope next year market improve

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