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TSalpha33
post Sep 12 2015, 10:42 AM, updated 11y ago

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as per topic, how do i get big and round shoulder if i have shoulder problem?(Ball joint not smooth enough to move)

i am struggling even with a 4kg dumbbell doing raises. Be it front or side or whatsoever.

is there any way i can train my shoulder without feeling my shoulder gonna pop off?


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post Sep 12 2015, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(c_rhoma @ Sep 12 2015, 10:55 AM)
depends on your weight. but def need to lift heavier (15-20lbs) do 3 sets (8-10reps per set) but increase 5lbs for each set.
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QUOTE(Armesh @ Sep 12 2015, 11:27 AM)
OHP/Dumbbell Press 75+Kg, lateral raise heavy ass weight, and pull real crazy weight for reps.

3+ years of perfect training and nutrition.
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er...i think mine is not related to not strong enough. as per said, i have problem with a 4 kg also.

its my shoulder. its bad. the joint at that shoulder cannot move freely@smoothly. so i cant take heavy. unless i go for surgery and smoothen out that joint.

no other method other than going under the knife?
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post Sep 13 2015, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(degraw1993 @ Sep 12 2015, 12:53 PM)
All u need to do is by doing pressing movement and lateral raises. Don't forget ur rear delts too. OP don't follow that armesh guy bcs he's doing OHP on smith machine srs and don't even have round shoulders on his skinny body.
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i kenot use machine[s] for doing shoulders. Any fixed movement = pain.
thats why i cant even work on a barbell. only dumb bell. To adjust the shoulder. sad.gif


QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Sep 12 2015, 01:45 PM)
do some proper warm up.

start very* light, raise are naturally hard to do, so its normal. even some stronger guy are grinding to front/side raise a 10 kg dumbbell.

consult your physiotherapist on your joint problem.

dont force yourself
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the doctor did ask me to go for physio. But he told me, if it dun get fixed in TWO weeks, u kena go under the knife.
i thought like wth?2 weeks only to fix?sure must be some scamming going on.

*I did x ray, mri, several doc sessions, and pain killers prescribed. The pain is still there. so i dun really believe the 2 weeks thingy



QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Sep 13 2015, 05:18 AM)
Warm up properly. Whatever movement you do it has to feel natural. If it doesn't, something is wrong in the form. Train shoulders like every other muscles. Becareful because shoulder injuries keep you away from lots of your other lifts including back squat.
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yea, now i do every other things, then do some light side raises every now and then. max also 4kg per side only.
hoping it will grow sooner or later. sighhhh

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post Sep 14 2015, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Sep 14 2015, 10:35 AM)
Get a second opinion. Always go for a second opinion whenever doc says you need to go under knife.
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i tried the other doctor opposite to him(specialist too), he even hebat.
we cant see wats wrong from the mri report. But first u go to physio(recommends me somewhere outside from hospital), then if kenot, come back again.
we will drill a hole at your shoulder, put in a camera and see whats wrong. Suspect your nerves is being pressed somewhere.

wtf????macam beli lottery itu macam!
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post Sep 14 2015, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Sep 14 2015, 02:08 PM)
If you're a beginner, you wanna go very light on lateral raises. You may think that 4KG is very light (which is true for some people) but it could be too heavy for some. I used to do lateral raises with 5KG dumbbell at home and I injured my rotator cuff.

I need to lay off that movement for a long long time and did a lot of strengthening movements. I did face pulls, shoulder internal and external rotations. These movements will strengthen your rotator cuffs. At least it did for my case. I'm now doing one arm 14kg leaning lateral raises for reps.

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So stop doing weighted lateral raises for now and focus on strengthening your rotator cuffs first. Once you're strong enough then only start doing it.

Also, I read a some readings and some established programs did not include lateral raise as some believe that it doesn't really add mass. Most programs utilizes massive compound pushing movements as their staple exercise to add mass. Such as OHP/DB shoulder presses.

Also genetics lol.

Refer below for internal and external shoulder rotations.

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nice advice!
tonite i will go to try out the movement and see if i can do it.

whats a face pull?
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post Sep 14 2015, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Sep 14 2015, 04:17 PM)
You injured your shoulder before?
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i am not sure if i did injure them before.
but i noticed this way back in 200x. the pain rendered me useless. I cant drive my wira(mt).
i have to ask my friend to drive me around. but i just thought as some harmless sprained.
All these while it comes on and off.

until last year when i started my first gym session, only i knew my shoulder is terrible and something is not right.
since i wanted to build muscles, i went to see a specialist for the first time. and yes , i am fuked!


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post Sep 14 2015, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Sep 14 2015, 04:29 PM)
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And for the strengthening movements that I mentioned, really try them with LIGHT weights. Best to try without any weights first. Then maybe 1kg or 2kg dumbbells...
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eh????this one i can do. no pain wor.
can go up to like 50kg without any discomfort. But, i cant do push up. the moment i position myself, the shoulder already pain. n oneed to go down also.


QUOTE(khelben @ Sep 14 2015, 04:32 PM)
Sounds pretty bad. I wouldn't lift weights at all until I get it fixed to be honest.
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tats why i havent been working out the shoulders and its lagging way behind.
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so i just avoid anything that give that pain.
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post Sep 14 2015, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Sep 14 2015, 04:47 PM)
Hmm, what are the physio stuff have you done? Or rather what have you done so far to rectify your pain?
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i didnt actually go to a proper physio. I only practice/exercise to the advise given by the doctor.(some hand movements and bend overs)
mostly i was on pain killer back then. but i found out painkillers actually slowdown muscle growth, i stopped taking it.

QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Sep 14 2015, 04:47 PM)
If you are consistently getting the same pain, visit a doctor that is familiar with sports injury. If you're already feeling pain by positioning your shoulders for pushing movements, then it could be something serious. But most of us here is not educated enough to really prescribe you with anything.

You should seek professional help that has the know how to assess your condition.

You can test it yourself with some help...

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go home will watch the video. but from the thumbnail, i think the doctor did it to me always.
hold out my hands straight, then try to circle it etc, at one point i will scream. cos its fuken pain!!!!
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post Sep 14 2015, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Sep 14 2015, 05:33 PM)
Okay I really think you shouldn't be lifting at all. Get it fix first man sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Armesh @ Sep 14 2015, 09:14 PM)
Yep, go see a specialist doctor like an orto and spend the next few months getting this 100% fixed. Only then start building round shoulders once pain free.
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QUOTE(-ccy- @ Sep 14 2015, 09:31 PM)
Sorry to be rude but please fking go visit a specialist doctor. Even doctor can't fix your problem online. You knew your shoulder can't grow because your shoulder pain when pressing heavy. So you are expecting forumers to give you solution to your shoulder pain?

Healthy shoulder >>> big shoulder.
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thanks for the concern guys. but really, i dun wan go under the knife. yet i still wan nice shoulder.
i am worried that the doctor will tell me,"U cant lift bro!". then i kena be a fatass liao..

or if i change my objective to bruce lee kind of body instead?just go skinny ripped instead of arnold kind?
will it be better?
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post Sep 15 2015, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Sep 15 2015, 12:01 AM)
Why u keep repeat that "dun wan go under the knife" thing even when you havent seen a specialist and have no idea exactly what's wrong with your shoulder?
Even if you have some serious problem and have to go under the knife, and that knife fixes the problem... then what's wrong? It's for the good.

It's not like the orto will suddenly stab you with anesthesia, forcefully bind you to the bed, and start doing the surgery on you.
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Sry bro. Do u even read?
Its mentioned several times i have seen specialists.
And they are the one who ask me go operate Without guarantee it will fix my problem.

QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Sep 15 2015, 08:11 AM)
It's funny that you think that Bruce didn't lift.

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I thought he only practice kungfu till his body like that.
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post Sep 15 2015, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Sep 15 2015, 10:29 AM)
Weight lifting is part of most sports. A lot of them has great carry over to their performance in the sport.  biggrin.gif

Seriously, get it looked up. Not just to get buff or not, think about it in the long run... do you want this injury to haunt you as you get older? Imagine not being to lift your arm up to scratch your head.......
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alright!
after much advices received here and out there, i will get it fixed asap.

i am getting older, and yes the pain got worst.
dayumz!!~
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post Oct 3 2015, 05:16 PM

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sry guys, internet quite fuked up recently.
will go thru all post when i get it back up.

thx in advance !

 

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