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Ramjade
post Sep 20 2015, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Sep 20 2015, 12:56 PM)
... So you want your son or daughter to be exploited by companies? The only meaningful work is to do what you enjoy and to work for yourself, not as a slave for a company or the economy for that matter..

As for currencies. All currencies are either pegged or tied to USD. So it really doesn't matter which currency you invest in.

USD is collapsing soon. Why do you think the fed keep on delaying the interest rate hike? Because they know once they do that, everyone will stop buying US exports because their dollar is worthless and over-valued. An interest rate hike will cause the USD to rise, and that is the beginning of the end of the US dollar standard.

So which currency will replace the dollar? hahaha.. None. China doesn't want to be the next standard.. they have artificially kept the Yuan low for decades. The Euro? no-one has confidence in it especially after Greece. How can you trust that other nations wont come close to defaulting..
Nikkei japan has been a dump and stagnation for decades, simply because they refuse to deflate.
 
So as you see, there is no other alternative than to let it all collapse and rebuild from the ground up again. History always repeats itself. Humans never learn from the mistakes of the past. Especially when it comes to currency.. They are all one the same.

The fiat monetary system is about to end...
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I don't quite agree with your statement. The world needs trade. And I am sure US will go to great extend to defend the USD. Look at last time when currency was peg against gold reserves. Through some manipulation, the world is using usd.

There's always GBP, CHF and heck even bitcoins. Bitcoins is kind of scary for world's bank cause it is a digital currency no one control. The value is solely depended on the market

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post Sep 20 2015, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 20 2015, 01:01 PM)
enough la...

pls do not hijack and derail this rm thread.

pls start a new doomsday fiat thread if u wish.
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Gold bug mah....
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post Sep 20 2015, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2015, 01:03 PM)
I don't quite agree with your statement. The world needs trade. And I am sure US will go to great extend to defend the USD. Look at last time when currency was peg against gold reserves. Through some manipulation, the world is using usd.

There's always GBP, CHF and heck even bitcoins. Bitcoins is kind of scary for world's bank cause it is a digital curreny no one control. The value is solely depended on the market
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World needs trade.. yes, but USD rise will cause all nations in debt to be more costly.. Which is the larger issue at play here and ironically, it will affect global trade.

Everyone will feel the pinch of USD rise. Many countries will just outright refuse or even ban USD..

You think Malaysia wont do the same? Wait till 4.5 usd by end of the year and see what our incompetent Government will do.. probably nothing, which means you will feel the pinch..

Long term wise, next 3 - 4 years, best is to invest in currencies of countries with low national debt and good GDP to capita income ratio.

SGD and HKD springs to mind..

But then you need to dig deeper. SG will have their own problems in next 3-5 years as the Baby Boomers retire or die off. So don't expect their economy to do well either. It wont drop, at best, they will stagnate with little growth.

HK, im not so sure as I don't research there. From what I see, their economy is similar to SG, so no gains there either.




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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 20 2015, 01:01 PM)
enough la...

pls do not hijack and derail this rm thread.

pls start a new doomsday fiat thread if u wish.
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post Sep 20 2015, 01:32 PM

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Baby boomers in sg may be ageing, this is a reason sg is accepting more young migrants from mys, chn, Idn and Ind to maintain the momentum.

Sg is probably the only country that the west could rely on, hence MNC, banks, etc will continue to have their regional HQ there.

With current political party in power, more Malaysian will keep their saving in sg like indon during Suharto era. Myr Forex rate with SGD will continued to slide until there is a change of gomen.

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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Sep 20 2015, 01:15 PM)
World needs trade.. yes, but USD rise will cause all nations in debt to be more costly.. Which is the larger issue at play here and ironically, it will affect global trade.

Everyone will feel the pinch of USD rise. Many countries will just outright refuse or even ban USD..

You think Malaysia wont do the same? Wait till 4.5 usd by end of the year and see what our incompetent Government will do..  probably nothing, which means you will feel the pinch..

Long term wise, next 3 - 4 years, best is to invest in currencies of countries with low national debt and good GDP to capita income ratio.

SGD and HKD springs to mind..

But then you need to dig deeper. SG will have their own problems in next 3-5 years as the Baby Boomers retire or die off. So don't expect their economy to do well either. It wont drop, at best, they will stagnate with little growth.

HK, im not so sure as I don't research there. From what I see, their economy is similar to SG, so no gains there either.
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Yeah also SG and HK have strong surplus to defend their FX so should be quite stable
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post Sep 20 2015, 04:29 PM

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Looks like everybody is for the SGD,... rclxms.gif hmm.gif

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 20 2015, 01:32 PM)
Baby boomers in sg may be ageing, this is a reason sg is accepting more young migrants from mys, chn, Idn and Ind to maintain the momentum.

Sg is probably the only country that the west could rely on, hence MNC, banks, etc will continue to have their regional HQ there.

With current political party in power, more Malaysian will keep their saving in sg like indon during Suharto era. Myr Forex rate with SGD will continued to slide until there is a change of gomen.
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influx of migrants have problems too.. singapore will lose their identity. Also, businesses and real estate will collapse as less spending within singapore as migrants save to send their money overseas. The local economy suffers too...


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post Sep 20 2015, 04:45 PM

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Some SGD centric UT funds r performing well lately
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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Sep 20 2015, 04:43 PM)
influx of migrants have problems too.. singapore will lose their identity. Also, businesses and real estate will collapse as less spending within singapore as migrants save to send their money overseas. The local economy suffers too...
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Country identity is dynamic and adaptive. Unlike foreign workers, migrants will buy property and settle down in sg.
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Folks,

1) It should be OBVIOUS to you now that Malaysia's fundamental is bad. And, it is getting worse. So, if the political situation stabilize and RM recover, it is only temporary. That gives you a chance to move your money out.

2) Fiat money and so on.. If you worry enough, buy some gold jewelry and coin and keep them in a safe place.

3) Kid future and so on...

A) The best gift to my children is that they no longer need to live in Malaysia.

B) I trained and taught my kid to earn, save, and invest. Both of them have Vanguard mutual fund while they are in high school. They will graduate from college with no debt and a bit of investment. The rest is up to them.

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Can feel a lot of negative energy from 99percent and unker dreamer. Everything is no good and hopeless in their perspective tongue.gif

I hope other readers will not be discouraged. Good times and bad times are part of investment. The path won't be smooth. We just have to do the right thing, hopefully ahead of the good and bad times.

But if you are not prepared and done nothing yet, then just have to manage the unexpected and minimize the damage to the lowest possible level. Like the damage to your RM, still not too late to salvage. All you got to do is find the window and opportunity in the volatile market and act bold and fast. Once you make your first step, even if it is a small amount, I am sure you will feel a lot better (because you did something)

Both good times and bad times will not last forever. Just that now is the bad times and we have to ride it through until the good times return. Zeti said not more than 18 months based on our past experience thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 20 2015, 11:47 PM)
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Both good times and bad times will not last forever. Just that now is the bad times and we have to ride it through until the good times return. Zeti said not more than 18 months based on our past experience   thumbup.gif
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Showtime747,

The richest countries in South East Asia during the 1960s were Burma / Myanmar and Philippine. Hong Kong Chinese were so poor that many of them went to Philippine and worked as maid for Rich Chinese in Philippine.

So, where are them NOW?? Did they ever recover??

<<Zeti said not more than 18 months based on our past experience>>

Without Extra Oil Money, there will be no recovery this time. There are no past experiences to go by since Malaysia was bailed out by Extra Oil Money past few times.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 21 2015, 12:18 AM)
Showtime747,

The richest countries in South East Asia during the 1960s were Burma / Myanmar and Philippine.  Hong Kong Chinese were so poor that many of them went to Philippine and worked as maid for Rich Chinese in Philippine.

So, where are them NOW?? Did they ever recover??

<<Zeti said not more than 18 months based on our past experience>>

Without Extra Oil Money, there will be no recovery this time.  There are no past experiences to go by since Malaysia was bailed out by Extra Oil Money past few times.

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Unker,

It is simple modern economics. As proven in the economic recession/boom of many countries over the past few decades. Also the same for oil price for the past few decades as well. They rise and fall and rise back. They all experience economic cycles.

Burma and Philippines are more like lagging behind the other countries instead of "never recover". They progress at a much slower pace

Nothing, good or bad, will last forever.








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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Sep 20 2015, 12:56 PM)
The fiat monetary system is about to end...
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U.s is one of the few countries in the world that is self sustaining in natural resources. Many countries include China, Japan, e.u are heavily depending on export to the u.s

Despite trillions of US$ was printed during q.e, US$ is stronger than a few years ago and likely to remain strong in the medium term.

Fiat money is certain won't about to end. More like gold price will stay depressed for many years.

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 21 2015, 12:47 AM)
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Nothing, good or bad, will last forever.
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Showtime747,

<<Nothing, good or bad, will last forever.>>

1) It only need to last long enough to make a person bankrupt. A person does not have UNLIMITED amount of money to survive that long.

2) A person does not live forever.

https://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=VT+Profile

3) Why ONLY invest in ONE country?? Why put all your eggs into ONE basket??

The above ETF invest on the largest 7,500 public listed companies across 47 countries. A person only need a few thousands USD to start.

Dreamer


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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 21 2015, 12:57 AM)
Showtime747,

<<Nothing, good or bad, will last forever.>>

1) It only need to last long enough to make a person bankrupt.  A person does not have UNLIMITED amount of money to survive that long.

2) A person does not live forever.
Be more positive. Death may be a good thing. You could go to heaven and meet your loved ones who went there before you (like parents etc). I would love to meet my grandmother again thumbup.gif

When a person is positive and open minded, the world is more beautiful. You never know death actually is a good thing. Think about it....

QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 21 2015, 12:57 AM)
https://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=VT+Profile

3) Why ONLY invest in ONE country?? Why put all your eggs into ONE basket??

The above ETF invest on the largest 7,500 public listed companies across 47 countries.  A person only need a few thousands USD to start.

Dreamer
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Don't get me wrong. I am saying good or bad things don't last forever. But that doesn't mean we should not diversify our investment. Diversification is the management of our investment risk. We should do it even if times are good

My post you replied to was intended to encourage the readers because those posts by you and 99percent today have too much negative energy. It is bad for health tongue.gif The bad times might be here, but be more positive and everyone can make a better decision
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Malaysia may have recovered from 1997 financial crisis but previous compatriot like Korea and Taiwan pulled ahead.

Current gomen have a habit of pledging one policy but practicing another, is likely to leave the country further behind.

Before 1997, USD was 2.5 to myr, it won't be a surprise myr will maintain at myr 5 to USD in a year time.

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 21 2015, 01:16 AM)
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When a person is positive and open minded, the world is more beautiful. You never know death actually is a good thing. Think about it....
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Showtime747,

My only NEGATIVE is about Malaysia and NOTHING else. And, if a person look at how far had Malaysia gone down over this past 40+ years and still think it can recover, the person is not REALISTIC.

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