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post Jun 28 2021, 10:57 AM

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Overclocking my 11700K just for the numbers biggrin.gif

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post Jun 28 2021, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jun 28 2021, 11:59 AM)
Nice bro. What are your OC for CPU and RAM?
Cooling?
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I have another slightly higher result here: https://www.3dmark.com/cpu/24941

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Was done with 5.3G 1/2-core, 5.2G all others and AVX-1 offset.
RAM is 2x 16GB Klevv @ 4533MHz with timing following cstkl1's guide in another thread.
Custom water cooling with mostly Corsair components except radiator.

Probably still can squeeze a bit more with more fine tuning but major limitation is temperature >90C at peak.
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post Jun 29 2021, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 28 2021, 09:41 PM)
not much of a difference between these 2 right now then.

I just ran the bench twice earlier after seeing this.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63181883  this is the better run

I don't really think with it's length (too short) and the cpu utilization (not even 100% when running full threads despite power limit not hit and cpu well below 90C) this benchmark is any good to be fair.
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You’re able to clock 5.4G all cores? I guess 11900K really good bin then.
In comparison, my 11700K require insane voltage to get stable at 5.4G so I’m pretty sure it’ll fail benchmark hence didn’t try. Even at 5.3G, already pushing above 1.5V sweat.gif
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post Jul 3 2021, 05:57 PM

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Joining the Samsung B-die club now tongue.gif

2x16GB Acer Predator Apollo (Samsung B-Die DR) 4266MHz 17-18-18-38 @ 1.55V Gear2

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Initial finding is this RAM kit max can reach till 4266MHz without any error, 4400MHz onwards will have error even with loosen timing or increased voltage.
Slightly harder to get it stabilized compared to Hynix DJR kit.
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post Jul 3 2021, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jul 3 2021, 06:49 PM)
Nice!
1.50V can or not?
Try to match this B-die DR kit  biggrin.gif https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/29...B-Specification
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Unfortunately cannot, got error sad.gif

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My kit is only rated at 3600MHz 14-15-15-35 @ 1.45V
So the G.Skill 4266C17D has to be higher bin.
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post Jul 4 2021, 12:38 AM

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Another tweak. Trying to 'fix' the RTL value because I noticed that upon cold boot, the RTL may change between these 2 values: 45/45 or 45/46
If boots up with RTL 45/45, then passing TM5 memtest. However, if it boots up with RTL 45/46, will fail TM5 memtest with single error on test #2. No other parameters change except this.

Strangely on this mobo, I can't seem to change the RTL value directly. Have to set RTL training to enable under memory training page to get the RTL value to be fixed. And with this, I got a lower RTL value of 40/41 instead.

With this lower RTL value, I need to bump up the RAM voltage a bit more to 1.57V to be error free. Good thing is, I got to shave off 2ns of latency. biggrin.gif

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post Jul 4 2021, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jul 4 2021, 08:36 AM)
Yeah you're right, manual RTL doesn't work on Z590.
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So it's a known issue for Z590?
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post Jul 4 2021, 02:26 PM

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Lowest latency I can get:

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But not stable though... just for the benchmark number tongue.gif
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post Jul 7 2021, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jul 7 2021, 02:25 PM)
32GB? try go command rate 2T. probably can go higher. Yours looks like it's limited to the IMC.
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I'm running Gear2, so naturally the command rate will be 1T. Never try 2T on Gear2 before, I bet the performance will suffer.
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post Jul 7 2021, 11:40 PM

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Just found out that on RocketLake CPU, *_dd and *_dr is reversed compared to CometLake.
Since I'm running only 1 stick of RAM per channel, I should be able to drop *_dr = 0

Getting pretty much similar AIDA number compared to previously when *_dd == *_dr ... noticed latency drop just a little bit, perhaps placebo effect tongue.gif

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post Jul 7 2021, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jul 7 2021, 11:41 PM)
ah right, forgot you're on 11th lol. laugh.gif
maybe up the trfc and loosen the RTL. you dont really gain very significant latency from there. better to tighten the primary first then only push the secondary.
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Urghh... unfortunately this mobo doesn't allow me to hand-tweak the RTL/IOL. Not 100% sure if it's mobo problem or 11th gen problem or combination of it.
I can only force the RTL to change by enabling RTL training BIOS setting.
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post Jul 8 2021, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jul 8 2021, 12:22 AM)
cant hand tweak but i think owikh shown before in some older posts where to set so that you can set a base for the memory to train from. Well you mobo is a pretty good one. such high read lol. Mine only manages read 61K but my write is at 66K (MSI crappy bios).
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Unfortunately I didn’t manage to get it to work. Either default or RTL training enabled with lower value.
Any manual value that I put seems to be ignored.
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post Jul 8 2021, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jul 8 2021, 01:30 AM)
odd pairing
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Care to enlighten which one is odd?
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post Jul 8 2021, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jul 8 2021, 11:28 AM)
well, generally it's better for the bios to train the values anyways. Dont think Asus will retrain like MSI which will ruin all the effort at random.

Well, as explained by owikh before. the trained RTL value is affected by SA/IO/DIMM voltages (too high or too low) and all the timing values... so if not done right, the RTL IOL will be weird. Thus it can be a sign of instability.
you do have some odd settings such as the 4 TRDWR values ideally should be all same, like 12-12-12-12.

i think what ctskl say weird is that although you fulfilled the rule to not be more than 1 apart but it normally looks like this:

CHA D0 40
CHA D1 41

CHB D0 40 
CHB D1 41

cant see your IOL to judge further.
Maybe you can copy some of those sifu's values and try. Your mobo is pretty similar to theirs, maybe can even ask for a bios profile. Im pretty sure they are willing to share.

also bdie you can get away with lower SA/IO/DIMM voltages so sometimes having them too high following from your previous DJR settings, it may cause instability. try 1.4v-1.45 for 4266.. also Bdie is quite temp sensitive so the quality of the ram's heatsink matters too (which is why TridentZ does quite well).
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The RTL values are from the MRC training algorithm. I just assume it’s optimized and I can’t manually override it anyway.
If I set tRDWR_* to be all 12, I got error in TM5, so I increase some of it.

And you’re right that I’m running higher voltage than usual B-die kit needs. So I’m going to retune everything on lower voltages later.
Also, my RAM is definitely running hot as my thermal probe reads 51C at heatsink area so memory chip will definitely be higher. Not enough space to mount a fan, unless removed side panel and get a fan to blow it directly - not practical doh.gif
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post Jul 8 2021, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jul 8 2021, 04:07 PM)
yeah this kind of settings have to find sweet spot, cannot simply brute force. especially by cranking up voltage.

Sometimes your kit will also will not like certain ranges. Like my B-die struggle to get to 4133 17-17-17-37 as that was my initial target. already put voltage to 1.5V but it just cannot post... brute force the training then will be super unstable anyways. But then 4266 17-17-17-37no issues at 1.4V  doh.gif rock stable.

maybe you can try skip 4266 to 4500 to tune.
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Now I’m trying similar as yours: 4266 17-17-17-37 @ 1.5V and loosen a bit secondary/tertiary timings.
So far looks doable, need to run all tests to ensure stability. Can’t do lower than 1.5V else will error out easily.

Previously I did try higher speed like 4400 and 4533. 4400 still possible but need to relax the timing quite a lot but 4533 no boot. So I think 4266 is the best bet for long term stability.
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post Jul 8 2021, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jul 8 2021, 09:15 PM)
just use bandwidth to compensate with the latency and test it with games to see which gives you better performance. around 50ns is damn good if you can reach 70+K.

No point going very low latency but bandwidth also low. Need to find the balance. iinm if you playing with gear2, better go for 4500mhz+ else best you stay at gear 1 and tighten 3866mhz to 15 or 14.
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Yea, sacrifice latency in Gear2. After I’m done with 4266, then I’ll try Gear1. From my quick try previously, max I can go with Gear1 is 3733. Likely not very good IMC.
So I feel that 4266 tight timing Gear2 can beat 3733 Gear1 tongue.gif or till I'm proven incorrect.
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post Jul 8 2021, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jul 8 2021, 09:27 PM)
you have to run your own gaming benchmark liao laugh.gif yeah.... IMC luck, mine also not that good. need quite alot of SA/IO voltage to go further, albeit my 3200c14 seems to be a pretty decent kit.
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I don’t game so much and even if I do, RAM definitely not the bottleneck because I run 4K resolution laugh.gif

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post Jul 8 2021, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jul 8 2021, 09:50 PM)
oooooohhhh it does brows.gif much more than you'd think. This is why despite AMD being the top in 1080P gaming, it actually kena beat down in 1440P and 4K due to bandwidth and latency.
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I'm using 1st gen RTX 2080 only wor sweat.gif sure bottleneck 9 9
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post Jul 8 2021, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jul 8 2021, 10:09 PM)
the ram can squeeze about another 1-5% wan... even in a gpu bottleneck situation. That's why it is quite significant, especially those competitive 3dmark port royal guys.
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Hmm, maybe I should check 3dmark Port Royal score later.
And compare with 3733 Gear1 result.
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post Jul 9 2021, 05:31 PM

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LOL... if I want absolute bandwidth, then I should switch back to my previous Hynix DJR tongue.gif -- almost able to achieve 4800MHz. If I spend more time tweak it, should be doable.

Anyway, on B-die, I'm able to get 4266 17-17-17-37 @ 1.5V stable, passing few rounds of TM5 and also GSAT. The trick is to enable DIMM ODT training to find the best RTT_* value. After that, disable DIMM ODT training and manually fix the value so it doesn't change.

Only 1 small problem remain... upon cold boot when temperature is around 30C, will fail memtest. Need to warm up the RAM first before everything passing. So, I guess I need to reduce the tREFI, cannot use the max value.

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