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post Nov 27 2017, 07:01 AM

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QUOTE(crumpetss @ Nov 26 2017, 11:26 PM)
how??? 8700k undelid 5ghz? no cooling problems meh
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QUOTE(bulkhy @ Nov 27 2017, 03:00 AM)
your running at 100c load?
man i nd to buy the tool for delidding
ramz OC will see any difference between 3200mhz and 4000mhz?
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Check few posts back, I did a few 3-hour Prime95 v29.3 (with AVX/FMA3) runs with CPU temps lower than 80c without delidding.
My 8700K is a really rare chip with a very low stock VID.

DDR4-3200 vs 4000+, I'd say very little to no difference but anything lower than DDR4-3200 will bottleneck the system.
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post Nov 30 2017, 07:08 AM

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CL17/18 is not easy to stabilize, so going back to XMP at
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post Nov 30 2017, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Nov 30 2017, 10:18 PM)
hi guys,

those of you using Asus board to OC your 8700k, what LLC level are you guys using? things have changed alot since I last OC'ed like 7-8 years ago and I'm learning back OC for these new processors.

whats the typical voltage to expect for pushing 5ghz? thanks in advance guys.
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Each motherboard's power design is different.
ASUS and other brands have LLC level 1 as the lowest and up to 8 for the highest.
ASRock has it backwards where level 1 is highest and level 5 is the lowest.

On my ROG boards, I chose level 5 because I find it gives the lowest vdroop.
Check few pages back for my 5GHz CPU OC.
LLC5 used, BIOS set 1.30v, load vCore 1.280v Prime95 AVX 0 offset stable.

Typical voltage is around 1.2-1.4v depending on your VID and board of course.

Check out 8700K OC database from Germany: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f139/...ad-1178256.html
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post Dec 1 2017, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 1 2017, 01:52 AM)
thanks dude, i'll give it a try, i've tried level 2-3 previously @ 1.3vcore but still failing p95 as soon as test starts.
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Better check your chip's vid first before pumping any voltage.
For record, my 8700K comes with 1.088v vid.
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post Dec 1 2017, 06:52 AM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 1 2017, 01:43 PM)
do you mean the cpu voltage when it's @ 3.7ghz like the one in the BIOS or when you boot up to windows and it's at 4.7ghz due to the asus MCE?

for BIOS, mine's showing 1.040v while in windows when the CPU gets stressed to 4.7ghz it shows 1.332-1.337

Everything was set to Auto on BIOS btw for the situation above,
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VID can be observed when your BIOS setting is set to default.
Hence, in your case your VID is 1.040v which is quite low even lower than my 8700K chip.
Hmm not sure why you need so much vcore but it's likely that the Strix mobo has a weak VRM power.
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post Dec 1 2017, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 1 2017, 05:50 PM)
I've tried pushing it @ 4.7ghz with 1.32v vcore and LLC lv5 and was able to run prime95 without having any errors, but after a minute or so my speed gets throttled even though my temps are not above 80c.

I get the feeling the VRM is overheating thus throttling is occuring due to that.

do you touch any other VRM settings besides the LLC?
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post Dec 1 2017, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(BroD @ Dec 1 2017, 11:05 PM)
I killed one of my RAM stick (SK Hynix M-Die) after I hammered it with 2 hours of Prime95 v29.4.5 @max RAM usage, 1344K fft (All passed though) after being OC'ed to a modest 3466MHz with default timings and voltage (16-18-18-38,2T @1.35v). My Maximus X Hero showed Q Code 55 and 6E, now using only one stick. (Bad stick doesn't work with all 4 slots, good stick works with all 4 slots, tested 1 by 1)

Question;
1. Is there a possibility that my CPU memory controller is damaged too?
2. Could Prime95 kills a memory or is the stick already a bad stick to begin with?
3. What is the possibility that it could kill the motherboard or the CPU too?
4. Is memory OC'ing a bad thing? I didn't even touch the voltage, timings, VCCIO etc.
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The bolded part sounds like a defective RAM module. It should have a lifetime warranty, so send it for RMA.

1) Most likely not, you're not pumping extremely high VCCSA like 1.4v+ etc.
2) Prime95 will not kill your RAM, unless you pump extremely high RAM voltage like 2.0v+ etc for long term without a proper cooling. The dead RAM module could be an already weak stick that suffered from ESD etc.
3) Prime95 will not kill your motherboard and CPU because the board itself has OC protection etc to prevent it from getting fried. When your CPU reaches 100C high, thermal throttling kicks in and your OC will be reduced at lower frequency to reduce the temperature. But chip degradation over time is undeniable, so best is to keep it as cool as possible.
4) Answered in number 2.


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post Dec 2 2017, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(BroD @ Dec 2 2017, 12:12 AM)
Thank you for the clarification. Now I don't have to worry about my CPU and motherboard. Yes, it's flying back to Taiwan soon lol
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Wow, that was fast! I think I saw your post about this in a FB group. biggrin.gif
How much is the shipping cost?
Last time I used poslaju around RM100, DHL around RM200.
Return trip is free of charge.

QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 2 2017, 01:11 AM)
Thanks for the input, I've tried it and I'm still failing prime95 though I could definitely boot to windows  without worrying of crashing halfway now.
considering I'm only on a Noctua NH-D15S and I've not delidded my CPU, I guess this is the limit for now sad.gif
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hmm I guess you will need a better mobo to confirm as I saw your VID is quite low so couldn't be your chip is worse than mine. hmm.gif
Btw, if you're not doing video encoding stuffs you can use Prime95 v26.6 that doesn't have AVX/FMA3 instruction.
It is less stressful but enough for your daily work. It also requires less voltage, so you should get lower CPU temperatures.
The legendary Noctua NH-D15S is a great air cooler that it performs even better than some AIO coolers in the market.
I also have the NH-D15S and the vanilla D15, maybe be will give it a try when I am free. brows.gif
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 2 2017, 12:37 PM)
heh the default settings is also more than enough for what im doing which is just gaming, i've stopped video encoding for the time being. just thought i'd try to push this processor as far as I can while passing the prime95 stress test.

i'll try playing around with it again tonight to see if i can push it to 5.2ghz cpu-z validation able biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

thanks bro for the settings you gave, it really gave me more idea on what settings i could fiddle around to get more juice biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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I see... My pleasure bro iBenQ. biggrin.gif
All da best man.
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post Dec 2 2017, 04:19 PM

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en route to CL17-18-18 <= doable but not sure can achieve full stability or not 🤔

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QUOTE(keyo @ Dec 5 2017, 02:51 PM)
Is it retail unit,
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8700K - retail
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ROG Maximus X APEX - review sample
TUF Z370-Pro Gaming - review sample

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QUOTE(keyo @ Dec 6 2017, 12:26 AM)
another lemon tree
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arghh not again! bangwall.gif
btw, good deals during last Black Friday.

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QUOTE(keyo @ Dec 16 2017, 09:47 PM)
why when i test prime 95 29.3 its drop to 4.6ghz if prime 95 26.6 its ok 5ghz
avx i put auto tq
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hmm... couldn't be that ASRock set -4 as the AVX offset by default.
Inside Windows, you can check it through software like XTU or probably ASRock's own utility.
Inside UEFI, you can manually set it to 0 in case you want to disable this function.





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post Dec 17 2017, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(keyo @ Dec 16 2017, 10:52 PM)
If uefi avx setting i put 0 its became auto
Now i avx 1
Multiple 51 when prime its become 50
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No zero offset option is odd. Auto being -4 offset is more weird confused.gif
It sounds like the AVX offset is not working properly, for me it's a big bug LOL.
Too bad I don't have any ASRock Z370 board with me, maybe you should contact ASRock for clarification haha.
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QUOTE(hafiez @ Dec 17 2017, 09:51 PM)
one noob Q guys....

I'm on 8700k, Z370 gaming k6, crucial ballistix sport ddr4 ram. for cooling, I'm using D15s.

I just play around with the OC tune settings which came with the mobo. I've selected the highest to 5GHz.

with the preset, the mobo set the cpu V to 1.4, and I play around by bringing it down to 1.2v.

at first I received BSOD, return to BIOS and change the value slowly upward, until I get 1.248v with no BSOD.

for ram, I didn't change any values. but it runs on 2400MHz.

for temperature, when stress test it hovers around 80c - 93c.

if I use CPU-z "stress cpu" button, it plays around 80c on load.

on normal usage, idle on 33c-37c and 65c on load.

am I doing anything wrong or I'm exposing the chip to danger?
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CPU-Z is not a suitable software to test stability of your OC, neither a good software for benchmarking purpose.

For CPU overclocking, the most standard people would go is Prime95, but take note that it is way too much stressful that your cooling can actually handle the heat.

For me, a couple of hours (3 hours minimum) of Realbench or AIDA64 are more representative of real-world applications.
Between these two, Realbench is better since it stresses both CPU and GPU at the same time.

Anything lower than 100c would be safe. Moreover you're using an air cooler, which is less worrying than custom watercooling with PETG tubing etc. Your normal usage at 65c max looks fine though, just need to retest with a proper stress tool as I mentioned earlier to confirm stability.

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 17 2017, 11:42 PM)
hi owikh,

between prime95 v26.6 vs latest ones, which one would you rather base your overclock settings on?

the temp differences between these 2 versions are quite far apart and not to mention via voltage offset mode one is underload at 1.18v with vdroop and another is at 1.2v with vdroop so i figured i could go lower voltage with the prime95 v26.6 stress test but i'd fail the v29.4 stress test if i were to use the same offset
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Previously, I said go for the none AVX-based Prime95 v26.6 if you're not doing video encoding stuffs but it seems like I was wrong.
Nowadays more and more software including games are using AVX instructions. It is suspected that NVIDIA driver also has AVX instructions in it.
Hence, Prime95 v29.4 is definitely a better choice if you don't want to see the CPU speed fluctuating due to AVX offset.
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QUOTE(hafiez @ Dec 18 2017, 09:06 PM)
do u delid ur proc?

Btw, for the cpu V, why need until 1.3/1.35v ?
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No delid, my chip is doing 5GHz @ 1.28v under custom wc with max temps never go above 90c.
Every chip was born unique, meaning each CPU comes with its own stock voltage (VID).
If you're lucky enough you will find a good chip, while some others might get bad chips with high VID.
It's all about draw of luck, silicon lottery.
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post Dec 19 2017, 11:02 AM

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How about the CPU frequency showed in CPU-Z?
I would disable BCLK spread spectrum in UEFI to prevent/minimize the BCLK fluctuations
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QUOTE(hafiez @ Dec 19 2017, 01:05 PM)
I see, thanks bro. yes, the ram spec is 2.4ghz @ 1.2v.
ok already turn off the BCLK Spread Spectrum.

the difference is, I can get 5g or 4995mhz most of the time

in cpu-z, it shows 5000.0 MHz 50x100mhz

sometimes 5001,5002.

in AIDA it shows 5.00Ghz

only in intel extreme utility it barely go above 4995mhz. maybe it just a rounding problem, nothing serious.

edit: what is your proc cache value? 43 or 48, is it ok?
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Should be fine as CPU-Z is showing 5.0GHz.
Just ignore that value in XTU, sometimes I will see 4.99GHz as well. The benchmark score is more important, but expect to get lower score with slower RAM speed like DDR-2400.
My cache is slightly overclocked to 4.5GHz from 4.4GHz.



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