Kind of embarrassing... in ASEAN only Philippines has a worse army and they are overtaking with US help.

When you realise how shit our military parade is then you know why... all the crap hardware bought along with the so-called 'technology transfers'*... Sukhois have no foreseeable replacement, infantry still so weaksauce, armed helicopters also didn't have until recently...

The most infuriating part is that we're so close. Scorpene is an ok sub, Gowind delivers a lot of bang, A400M and Sukhoi also first class... but all the songlap and the USD CGPA means the whole army is just a halfhearted mess...

*Technology transfer is so that we can build the stuff domestically, saving money and generating jobs and revenue. E.g. Steyr rifle. But now you see everything we buy has got hundreds of millions paid as 'tech transfer' and I ask you what are we actually building ourselves? Not even 4x4 after all this time.

Sukhois need replacement and there's no money. Soldiers still like Vietnam War era no body armour, lack radios, ATGMs and SAMs. Helicopters all decades old and barely any guns. Our Boustead so pro, 4x4 also can't design whereas our neighbour's homemade APCs are sold to the West! Tech transfer my ass, songlap only got lah...

@statikinetik - Fair enough. Yeah its the hardware that's the problem. Our people are tough and experienced. SG Army win based on hardware only. But then they are the ones who keep voting back the songlap kings so...

Sure. Keep looking at others' militaries and keep telling yourself our people power can beat their tanks, jet fighters, attack choppers, etc.

Tq for correction... janji ada FJ need replacing la, sorry terlupa nama. And I don't understand why a simple vehicle also we cannot build inhouse, need to outsource along with "technology transfer"

anyway. Harap2 no war that will need all this stuff. If anything it seems our polis have too many weapons, saman kereta pun bawak MP5 turun.

Tersasur cakap sukhoi. Sorry. Body armour, METIS tau lah ada tapi macam kurang bilangan? Helicopter pun macam kurang berbandingkan Konfrontasi dan hanya 2-3 yang mempunyai MG.

Ni bukan propa k? Honest worried esp lepas Lahad Datu. Mana boleh baca report about Lahad Datu sniper and fighter bombing?

1 thing I pernah tengok UTK buat ronda di KL. Memang pro gila nampak.

Tq. Actually terasa lebih selamat cam ni. And at least bukan kerana I nampak macam komunis

Gunship ada 1 pakai gatling 1 pakai MG yang ketiga? Baru terbaca ttg Alouette bermeriam 20mm yang dipakai time Konfrontasi, alangkah jika sekarang ada yang macam tu...

Fahamlah report camtu classified... ingat ada source lain ke...

Pasal Boustead tu I marah sebab kapal2 kita spt Gowind macam best sebenarnya, Scorpene pun Australia turut beli, tetapi entah kenape asyik delay kemudian keluar slow sangat. Dan asyik dengan technology transfer...

Oh. Ingat Australia dah settle beli Scorpene. India baru delivered I baca. Tq for correcting me.

Heli mana tu? Dah settle ke beli Viper atau Eurocopter? Actually replace Nuri I think lebi penting drpd attack heli, janji ada doorgun. Kan dah lama sangat airframe tu

Ah. Dari post ingat ada heli jenis ke4. Senjata ada? Pernah nampak Blackhawk buat landing kat Airport lama KL... very very beautiful.

Terlepas. Wow glass cockpit, thats good.

Its ok. I leave it there better than I delete macam sorok saja. Biarkan error saya nampak.

Besides, I'm not that convinced yet. Still think Indon, Thai, Viet and SG have a better army, hardware and numbers wise at least. Spec ops kita best, ada beberapa biji hardware yang baik. But then ada room for improvement kan?

I ikut military as hobby only, yang pro punya sila beri tunjuk ajar. But then I *am* a little bit more informed than most. TLDM vs, e.g. RSN, Twardy vs Leopard etc, mampu dibezakan (walau tersasur cakap Sukhoi dengan MIG tadi....).

Jangan anggap ini sebagai disrespect kepada para pendekar negara. Padahal I wish peruntukan untuk tentera ditinggikan, bukan saja hardware tetapi gaji dan perks juga. Sanggup korban nyawa, harus diberi rezeki.

Mau beli barang canggih serta Mistral serta Rafale (but I sendiri prefer Typhoon jika ada duit, Gripen jika bajet skit) tapi tak percaya duit ada. Seluruh bajet peruntukan spend on Mistral kemudian tiada heli attack, seperti Thai Chakruebet (spell?) yang menjadi target jenaka dunia saja.

GGK dll. yang tolong raid Mas Selamat, ISIS dan snipe Sulu etc., kerana itu saja I dah tabik. Yang lain tu biarlah... askar harus dengar arahan.

Boleh mimpi walaupun takkan jadi Typhoon with AESA and Meteor BVRAAM

Tau Mistral, useful ship. Negara2 skrang semua tiba2 mau main dengan mini amphibious ship dan LCS... itu hal mereka lah.

IDK what our navy mau Mistral for. Seabase? What for? Tanah kan banyak. Feri aset ke Esscom? Lebih baik pakai Rollon rolloff, bukannya nak serang D-day pun. Buat naval patrol? Kena beli heli patrol, heli ASW, heli attack dan Gowind, unless Mistral tu happy2 je biarkan dia pergi tanpa escort. Lagipun lebih baik beli MPA spt P-8 kalau macam tu. Kalau betul mau base heli atas kapal buat patrol, kan Bunga Mas ada?

Untuk mengawal situasi di Esscom heli itu penting. Konfrontasi proved that. I would rather buy fighter jet for TUDM, IFV untuk askar, dan kapal patrol untuk tangkap Sulu/Mindanao terrs, or MPA to watch those stupid Cina ships.

MY and SG should cooperate in thousands of issues but the fact is that we don't. Same story for military. IMHO Indon is more likely to buat hal but SG won't see it that way. So MY is still enemy number 1, all their war exercise is based on fighting us and overrunning Johor. FPDA balik rumah la.

Lebih rela dengar, senior kasi tunjuk ajar.

Colleague saya yng kata la, SG lebih focus kepada MY.

True. And I'll say this for us - our army is more experienced than almost any other in SEA and personnel wise is definitely better than all those NSmen.

But facts is facts and as I said - I think we're lacking in hardware compared to our peers, even the very small one down south. We can't keep saying "tapi orang kita lebih better". No army depends on the quality of personnel to win.

And saying higher tech weapon will only fail etc is no point. How far back down low tech you want to go? Sampai sumpit and keris level?

About the others... dono why tiba2 WW2 mentioned. F22 is now doing great work flying in Syria and I actually believe in the F35. Its too expensive, too ambitious, too delayed, but it will also be the best stealth fighter bomber in the world when its out.

Facts is facts. Msia baru mimpi fantasi mau beli Mistral, SG Endurance class dah lama ada. Heli baru pasang MG, sinki dah ada Apache. Banyak lagi cuma sakit hati mau post.

Actually sejak kecik i suka tengok parade ATM Merdeka. Cuma skrang everyth looks semakin outdated. We have to start getting serious.

Bukan I yang kata mau beli Mistral tu...
Agree bahawa Msia patut focus on anti-COIN strategy. Actually looking forward to AV-8 except I worry its not RPG proof.
GGK equipment is always first class, no complains there.