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post Nov 22 2006, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(mat403 @ Nov 22 2006, 02:16 AM)
100+ - Handphone

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This is a bit high, if the calls are not related to your job.
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post Jul 5 2007, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(ejleemy @ Jul 2 2007, 04:55 PM)
I suggest you spend a few bucks and go straight to the pros in wealth management. Hire them to diversify and grow your wealth. It would take several hours and some money (1-3k per year) for a basic plan. It is certainly worth the money as you need not worry anything about it anymore and can spend your valuable time doing the things you enjoy with.
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Be careful when acquiring advice from the 'pro'. Most of time, they will tell you to invest in something that they can earn commission from. Banker will tell you to invest in UT, stock brokers will tell you to invest in blue chips stock, insurance agent will tell you to buy insurance etc.

Don't get me wrong here, Advice is always good for reference, but do not blindly believe the 'pro' advice. Read up books and research on investment option and set up your investment portfolio based on individual liking, each one is different from others, be it conservative or aggressive. If aggressive, be it, at least you know what is the risk you are taking, and willing to be exposure on it and affordable on it.

Until you are familiar and having knowledge on investment, do not blindly invest.

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post Jul 9 2007, 04:05 PM

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Hey guys or girls, this thread is about financial management, not about Rectum or docotr:x

Financial management is about how to manage your wealth, invest, saving vs spending wisely etc. There is no 100% correct method, we come here to share our knowledge and learn from each others, not to say others people right or wrong since there is no perfect answer for financial management especially involved in investing.

The 'pro' in investment just means he/she knew more about investment but doesn't mean he/she will make correct decision on every investment, just with more knowledge and experience, it will enhance the right decision being made. Experience is useful and play an important part to enhance a right decision making, provided you learned from the past. (Some do not and keep on making same mistake)

The 'pro' recommendation doesn't always correct, since they are human also, affected by market sentiment, bias view etc. Eg. few analysts and 'pro' recommend to buy stock when Sars unfold back 2002, now we see back, at that time it is the best time to buy stock which will make you at least more than 100% until now in this 5 years time. So a bunch of analyst and 'pro' get it wrong. Also with tech bubble during 2000, more than 50% of analyst still maintain 'buy' call when Nasdaq Composite hit 5000, see what happened now for Nasdaq Composite now, 2650 after 7 years. Another good example would be the Bear Stern hedge fund that collapsed last week, it is also managed by a team of 'pro' fund managers, so can't say 'pro' surely good.

So take the 'pro' advice as a reference point not blindly believe and reliase the risk involved in every investment made, since the ultimate decision is on your hand not the 'pro'. The 'pro' can say whatever about the goodness about a particular investment, but if you don't want to take the risk (like investing in UT or stock or whatever), then ignore it since everyone is different and would like a different risk exposure.
But I do agree one part of Dreamer said, if you don't want to learn about investment then FD is the best and only option.
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post Jul 21 2007, 02:05 PM

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Last time back 70-80's, people don't treat car, handphone, petrol bill is necessity in their life, that's one the reason why your parents or grandparents can save so much last time out. Nowadays, especially younger generation keep on changing handphone, new car, even treat weekends movie etc also a must in their life.

Also older generation generally is much hardwork compared to the newage people (surely not all, but compared to percentage wise, it is lesser nowadays no offence). Last time (80's) you tell your workers to work for 7 days/week for production rush to complete an orders, not much problem or resistance from the workers. Now, 6 days/week people also reluctantly to work.

When interview, I face a lot of interviewee ask me:
he/she: your company works 6 days/week?
Me: Yes, what's the problem?
he/she : Then, I won't consider the job already, bye. doh.gif
another ridiculous answer was
he/she : Can I just work for 5days, possible?

Not yet ask the the job scope or whatever, first criteria is 5days/week. doh.gif


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post Jul 22 2007, 06:39 PM

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It is all about saving first. Without saving, you don't have the initial capital to do investment or businesses even banks are reluctant to lend your money even your have great ideal. When you have enough saving and initial capital then rolling effect/compounding return on your investment/businesses will have significant effect that make one become wealthy and richer. Although not all businesses/investment surely success but you need to start the first step aka saving at the beginning.

If every month struggling to pay the car loan causing no saving then what's wrong if taking motobike?

Life is about yourself not to show off to other people for 'face.'

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post Jul 25 2007, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Liuism @ Jul 25 2007, 01:51 PM)
I'm working as IT/Admin Assist (RM1900 without SOSCO and EPF deduction)

Fixed Expenses

RM300 - Foods
RM250 - Transpor(fuel)
RM500 - Insurance(2 policy)
RM103 - Study Loan
RM  66 - Stremyx

The balance are savings..
any comment??
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mind to share why put so much (% wise) on insurance alone, type? really need? It seems like a bit high with RM6k annually considered that your income is 1,900 monthly.


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post Dec 19 2008, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Peanutz @ Dec 18 2008, 06:16 PM)
I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in the world with this kind of thinking.

Today I was in the local groceries and I wanted to purchase a box of Panadol. Now, they come in both 12 and 24 packs. The 12 pack is $5.99, the 24 pack is $11.49.

I stood there thinking, should I spend the extra money and get the 24 pack one since it is cheaper and keep the unused ones? Or just stick to the 12 pack one and save money?

This is a very basis of my question. It may seem like a small sum, but imagine putting this kind of thinking to a bigger scale.

Am I wrong to think like this?
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It is waste of money if not going to consume that much, remember, it has expiration date. Also if bought too many, you might forget where you stored it, and really need time, buy again. So it might be a waste of money which depends on one's situation.

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post Jan 2 2009, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(zenwell @ Jan 2 2009, 04:59 PM)
if you are getting loans for your car. You must make sure that you have the extra to pay for the monthly installment and also petrol + maintenance. When I bought my car few years back, I did not take into consideration this 2 things. End up suffering with the installment loan. This is the result of no financial management knowledge.
That's one of my resolution for 2009. that is to be discipline with my saving and control my spending habit tongue.gif
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This is the most youngster problem, once graduate and start working without think of saving first, the first in their mind to think is to get a car or a house, eventually, become the slave of the loan taken.

The first step to be rich/wealthy is save or saving!
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post Feb 26 2009, 03:05 PM

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The more appropriate term should be cash is trash if one intends to keep the cash forever.

Simply throwing the term cash is trash is wrong in the sense that, cash is the one enable one to acquire distress asset price especially at current situation. If one is not having any cash in the first place, then you don't have the opportunity to grab those asset even though the opportunity passed by in front of you.

Cash in current situation is the most valuable asset now.
But if one is not going to utilise it to grab opportunity, only then it is much appropriate to come out the term of cash is trash.

Just my 2 cents.
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post Feb 26 2009, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Feb 26 2009, 06:35 PM)
Well, if you look at most people, in this time, even when they see bargain, they will forgo it as they foresee the property/equity will continue to fall. What I'm trying to say that if the investment is yielding better and has potential, we can just go ahead, not to hold until we are really at the bottom. Who knows....the day will never come or it might just be the day when you get the bargain. Most people rather keep cash till they are confirmed that we are out of the woods.
Besides, cash is trash is just a way of saying that the money should work for you and not the other way round as in cash is king.
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Yes, by the time we are out of the woods, there won't be any asset that being sold at distress level or cheap anymore.

No one can catch the bottom, invest when you feel comfortable and just with some logic mind and clear head is enough to earn some money in the investment world.

But totally saying cash is trash is a bit too harsh and could be misleading to those newbie in investment world. The term is more like a brainwash purposes. No offence although it has some good points.

There is no certainty in investment world. I don't think need to say which one is right which one is wrong. There is no total right nor total wrong. Different situation, different outcome and need different strategy.

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post Jun 1 2009, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(changjie83 @ May 29 2009, 11:15 PM)
got a noob question and sorry if this a repeated question, if someone dies, what happens to the money in his bank? do its given to his family or the bank eats up the money?
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We have a standard law/procedure.

If the person didn't have a will, then it will distributed according to the existing law. But the remaining money must settle any outstanding loan/debt first before distributing.

-> wife and kids.

if no wife
-> parents

Banks won't 'eat' a single cent, all unclaimed money will go the BNM which hold the money in a holding account.


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post Jan 24 2010, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(Bakmoi @ Jan 24 2010, 03:29 PM)
Just want to ask a few questions here ,

Is 10% to 20% profit per month for your investment is a good thing or just an average return ?

Thanks a lot guys.
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There won't be poor man on the street with this kind of return rate. yawn.gif

Sorry, wrong topic, this thread is about personal financial management, not about investment return.
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post May 14 2010, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Dackson @ May 13 2010, 12:04 PM)
but to invest can start with 1k de~ 1k use margin become 3k.
so the time limitation for 3 days. It's suitable for daily invest !! 1k can buy small stock like previous gens,knm-cd, proton-cb those stock. watch the news of those famous company and analyse the cart will do.
buy while it's low and sold out while it's high. i day earn 200 can accumulate about 4k per month. All depend on luck.
expert ppl can earn >7k per week just for daily investment ^^
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If it is so simply can earn 4K per month, we won't have poor people and people don't need to work liao.

It is impossible to earn everyday through speculation aka 100% winning rate. A simple mistake can wipe out your previously gain totally even incurred capital loss.

Theory is simple, buy low sell high.
Reality is not.

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post Jul 2 2010, 04:33 PM

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You cannot 100% investing all the time.

100% investing, means no spare cash.

No spare cash, how to grab the opportunity coming by when the market crash time?

You need capital in investing, where is the capital? spare unused cash. (besides the emergency fund)

There are plenty of people support their kids to overseas study by saving a little by little and put in FD.
There are plenty of people become wealthy, by saving and put their money in FD.

FD may not yield good return, but there are plenty of people can live comfortable because of the saving in FD.

While there are many investors in the market lose their large chunck of money, suicide because making wrong bet, wrong decision.

So it is about willingness of risk taking, there is no right or wrong, winner or loser.

It is not like every investment yield return. There are plenty failed investment as well.
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post Jul 22 2010, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(cshong @ Jul 22 2010, 11:01 PM)
I am currently still studying.

My dream: I love to travel. Priority will be given to those places where long haul flying is needed. During the first year of employment (in other words: first year after graduate), bring the whole of my family, join either the "7 countries" or "10 countries" Europe travel packages offered by local travel agencies. The cheapest for the "7 countries" package cost around RM8xxx per person. On 2nd year, travel to either America or Africa or Australasia. And, I also wish to sponsor the whole family for the whole trip if possible. And, for long haul travel, I will try my best to avoid low-cost carrier as possible, unless I have no choice.

My household spending:
1. Electricity: around RM4xx - RM6xx per month.
2. Insurance: RM1xxx per person per year.
3. Internet: currently using Streamyx CoolUniPack 4Mb package, RM88 per month, not including telephone call charges.
4. Water: RM4x - RM6x per month.

My own expenses:
1. Mobile phone: Reload RM30 per month.
2. Buying things: I will only buy things which I do feel I need it. And, when buying things, quality is the most important.

I am living in a city where transportation are very limited, no train, and my living area not served by bus. So, I must use my own car to drive to my future workplace. Plus, to avoid nightmare, I am not willing to rent house or rent room because I don't want to share room / house with any friends.

The expenses of electricity cannot be cut. For myself, I will only switch on air-cond when I feel the weather is hot, unlike one of my family member who will switch on the air-cond in his room start from he coming back home until he go to work on next day regardless of whether the weather is hot or not. I don't want to disturb his freedom in this matter. The room and the air-cond is his, he has the right to do it. And, my house consist of about 6 computers including personal laptops, which 2 of them operate 24 hours per day.

For internet, we can't live without it. 4MB is a must as there are a lot of internet users in my house. So, the internet cost cannot be cut.

Insurance is also unavoidable cost.

And, after graduate, I would like to join any toastmaster club also, which is again another expenses (around RM1xx for 6 months membership). This cost is unavoidable as I wish to improve myself on speech.

So, any financial expert, please advise how can I make my travel dream come true.
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Not yet earning, already plan to spend? wink.gif

Sponsor whole family means at least 20-30k above,

To save and have that money, means you must earn at least 50-60K annually. But Taking in, you want this and that (some is not a must like 4Mb internet, club membership, quality is the most important blar blar smile.gif ), you must ensure your annual income at least 70-80k above.

So to make your dream come true is quite simply ensure you can earn 7-8K above per month.


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post Jul 23 2010, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(cshong @ Jul 23 2010, 12:25 AM)
Travelling to far country with my family members is my hobby. I love travelling with family members, to far country.

Assume my salary is RM2200 per month.

For my household expenses, of course I wouldn't want to pay 100%. Every working adults in my family must take part in every utilities we use. For electricity, I will only pay 1 / 3 out of it, means around RM1xx - RM2xx. Lets just assume RM200. For internet and water, I will only pay up to 50 % of it, RM88 /2 = RM44 for internet, assume RM30 for water.

Mobile phone charges = RM30 per month. For car's petrol, assume RM30 per week, = RM120 per month. Foods, assume RM300 per month.

If no other expenses, then RM2200 - RM200 - RM44 - RM30 - RM30 - RM120 - RM300 = RM1506 saving per month.

Well, may be not enough for sponsoring the whole family. Sponsoring my family members is not a must since most of them have their own income. I just wish that I ever travel to at least 2 countries in North America, South America, Europe, Australasia, and Africa with my family members before I die.
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sorry to pour cold water and no offence.

With Rm2200, your dream need to in dream for years or may be decade. It is impossible as you said after first few year working already want to fulfill your dream. Also little employer can torelate new employee coming in just 1st or 2nd year then said want to on leave for month for travelling purposes, if work as ordinary employee.

Car petrol Rm30 week won't be enough, you haven't taken in insurance, maintenance fee of car, wear and tear of your car, which easily cost another Rm100-200 per month,
Household water bill, indah water bill, assessment, and minor repairing here and there, another few ten per month also certainty.

There are a lot of expenses that a lot of people take for granted just because they don't pay the bill or fork out cash. smile.gif

One won't able to have Rm1500 saving with Rm2200 salary with mentioned life-style, unless all the bills are paid by others or family members especially owning a car somemore.


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post Jul 24 2010, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(cshong @ Jul 24 2010, 10:53 AM)
1506 - 242, I still got RM1264.
In order to save money for travel, I won't mind to cut cost on grocery and entertainment. Talking about Entertainment, those original DVD quality at least 1000x more sucks than the one I watch online. So, no need to spend money to buy that. Accessory? I will only buy the things which I really need it.
Minus insurance, about RM11xx per year, RM9x per month. Assume RM95, I still got RM1169. I will always try my best to protect my car, driving safely, then no need to worry on car maintenance.
For Parking, I will try my best to park at the place where it is free.
If my future girlfriend truely love me, she will try her best not to let me spend money for her.


Added on July 24, 2010, 11:06 am

Talking about salary, I can't demand much since I am just a fresh graduate, unless my employer willing to give me much more.

Beside my main job, I wouldn't mind to have part time job also. I am willing to sacrifice my time of resting. As a student, almost everyday I woke up early morning to do my assignment until the time I go to school, then continue doing my assignment after coming home from school until 2 - 3.xx am in the morning. I am very accustomed to this type of life already. So, in order to earn more, after working hours of my main job, I wouldn't mind to either work overtime or take part time job until mid night.
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Talk is easy. smile.gif

Don't need to buy cloth?
Don't need to service your air-cond
Over-time, air-cond surely breakdown, easily cost a few thousand
Don't need to buy gorcery?
Don't need to buy detergent to wash your cloth?
Don't need washing machine? Wash by hand?

Try to protect your car?
Drive on the road, unlucky hit a big nail, cannot be patched, Rm200 gone with a new replacement.
Don't need to change engine oil?
Don't need to change oil-filter?
Don't need to change battery? (Fyi, a car battery max life is 2-3 years only).

Until you have you live on your own, have own family, only then you will realise a lot of thing (expenses) has been taken for granted.

Everyone also won't mind to work OT, to earn extra buck. But preactically wise, not many people able to do it.

If you are not willing to sacrify your 4MB BB (as said it is a must) and with electricity bill of Rm200, I doubt how can you sacrify your 95% personal life to commit in work.

No offence. smile.gif

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post Aug 15 2010, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Aug 15 2010, 12:06 PM)
Which bank has this? All the while i thought it's a one time deal where we put a certain amount in and wait for the maturity date before we can withdraw or else the compounded interest will be lost.

FD interest rates are 2.7% now?
Savings are less than 1%?
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All banks are auto-renewing their customer FD by default, or there is instruction from customer during deposit time whether to renew automatically + interest or interest being credited into other account or not.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2010, 01:04 PM)
So in other words , for old folks, children and housewives, No insurance protection is needed since they do not generate any incomes.

If you do not foresee  any of the followings in the future, then you are practically exempted from buying those related insurances. It is a waste of your money to do so.

1) accidents
2) illnesses
3) Death

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The more correct word is life insurance is not that important for those people, not all insurance, which I believe this is what gark had mentioned.

Buying life insurance for children, is a waste of money. My view only.

1) PA insurance cover it. PA insurance is cheap to start with. You don't need a life insurance for that.

2) Medical insurance, this indeed one of the priority in insurance, if one starts to look at insurance, and needing insurance time. Pure life insurance never cover it.

3) Death - there is nothing to fear for those not having income to support the family, so lilife insurance is not needed or priority to have.
Life insurance is always about to cover the person that are supporting the family financially, as life insurance is to compensate the loss of income of financial generator.
I am not saying one cannot have it. But it is needless or secondary in term of priority especially for those person/family that are financial tight.


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post Sep 6 2010, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(koh_424 @ Sep 6 2010, 04:18 PM)
my car loan period is 4yrs. actually repayment is 750. but i just make it round up so pay it 1k n get it faster.
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On offence, bad planning/practice.

If you can make 1K payment, then either you shorten the tenure in the first place or take less loan amount to start with.
You won't save much in doing this way.

Still the amount allocated for car, (car payment + car petrol + car expense) is too high. sweat.gif

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