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post Aug 15 2015, 12:05 PM

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Can buy now? ):
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post Aug 15 2015, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 15 2015, 12:10 PM)
Buy what?
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Property lo, now looking at cyberjaya. What does the sifus think?
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post Aug 15 2015, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Aug 15 2015, 12:56 PM)
of course can. 10 million also can as long as for own stay
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300k+ sub sale condo, actually buy for both investment / self stay la. The reason why I don't wanna straight away move in is because the current place I'm renting is super cheap and worth it. That's why wanna rent it out to people first, if my landlord decide to sell then I'll move in. But I understand now got oversupply in Cyber lo.
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post Aug 15 2015, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Aug 15 2015, 01:28 PM)
cheap how much rent? i can save 70% money when I move to my house from renting
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I rent a landed two storey terrace in prime location for only about 1.2k. Very very near my work place. If buy @ Cyber still can go work la, just further and need to pass 1 /2 tolls one way ohmy.gif


QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 15 2015, 02:02 PM)
If you understand there is oversupply in cyberjay mean your unit could be vacant for extended period or rent is depressed.
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Yes, that's why is worst case scenario I will have to move in. But hopefully won't until that stage la, the good thing is the condo is beside MMU. So really hope can find tenant.

QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 15 2015, 02:08 PM)
As you said you buy for rental & own stay, why bother about oversupply ? especially you are still renting for now, if rental collection not worth then use it for own stay, if rental collection is good then as investment.

But having said that always better to stay in own house, can renovate to own liking, no need buy cheap furniture, no need see landlords black face when ask for repair.. lol
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Yeah I understand. Willing to move in next time, but currently I'm renting a double storey terrace at a really good rate and location. So wanna buy my first property as more like a hybrid situation - Self stay if necessary / investment (rental yield to cover loan)

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post Aug 15 2015, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Aug 15 2015, 08:33 PM)
why not buy double storey too? if rent only 1.2k then rent but owners can increase lots
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Can't afford bro, unless its in some rural area like in Klang like that. My rent actuall is actually quite consistent, been renting for nearly 10 years already, last time 900 > 1k now finally 1.2k. Around my area rent minimum 2k already.
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post Aug 16 2015, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Aug 15 2015, 11:15 PM)
your landlord rich man ah could charge 2k but went 1.2k instead? if like that might rent for forever loh. i myself dun like condo.condo must be in kl rather than cyberjaya.actually double storey in puchong got 400k.
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bro where around puchong is good with that kind of price range, can recommend ah?
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post Sep 21 2015, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Sep 12 2015, 12:56 AM)
Still got many landed single storey build up over 1.1k below 500k even much much more cheaper in comparison. 800k can get a decent 2 storey not too far from kl city center. Why limit urself to only new launch at not so prime location and yet sell at premium price?
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Bro what do you think about Bandar Kinrara 4 single storey terrace for about 350k, freehold 20x55 (1.1k sq ft), near lrt. Do you think its a good deal/buy?
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Sep 22 2015, 12:05 AM)
I never visit there before. Sound like worth to check out its environment.
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Checked it out, its quite an OK area. But unit is very basic, so have to do renovation / minor works to make it hospitable. But based on your first impression, quite an ok deal right?
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post Sep 22 2015, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(roadrunner0 @ Sep 22 2015, 12:36 AM)
Compare to nearby newly launch condo, this is a good buy.
No maintenance fees also...
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QUOTE(kradun @ Sep 22 2015, 12:46 AM)
Not look like a risky deal. thumbup.gif
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thanks for the advices bros. I think theres still risk no matter what. Formerly those single storey are known as low cost terraces, well the early phases of BK are all like that. For now the rental yield is of course lower than the high rise condo / apartment. So far can only fetch around RM800-1000 average per month. If 350k 90% margin financing, monthly repayment will be around 1.4-1.6k p.m. Means every month still need fork out few hundred.

tq for your time! tongue.gif
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post Sep 22 2015, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(roadrunner0 @ Sep 22 2015, 11:43 AM)
Good for own stays though, cheap and good + landed.
If investment need to find some other place with better ROI..
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Yea bro don't mind living there, just need do some renovation (need save $ cry.gif ). But don't think will move in so early, as I currently rent a very cheap&nice place. WIll rent until the house owner decides to sell the house, which would be in a couple of years I guess.

Now I'm afraid of two things:
1) Am I overpaying for this unit? I'm perfectly fine with the unit, but of course have to do my research...this was a low cost development, in 2009 it was barely 200K.
2) Whether the bubble will burst, but in my opinion its unlikely, well every investment has its risk
3) Rental yield to cover the loan, hope to cover some of it.

QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Sep 22 2015, 11:46 AM)
if low cost, u have to meet specific requirement before can purchase. not all people can buy low cost
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Subsale bro, was developed as low cost terrace last time, now no problem at all
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Sep 23 2015, 10:09 AM)
1) Yes. Given the property is around 6 years old and it has already "appreciated" over 70% of its initial sale price, which is more than the interest rate charged on the loan (if one was taken). Essentially, you're paying for the profit of at least 2 parties, the developer's, the bank's and the existing house owner (and possibly any other middleman). Almost any property within the greater KV will be overpriced. People buy because enough people believe in UUU, as long as you sell before it becomes DDD, you're safe.

2) You should not consider your property an "investment". It is something you buy to have a roof over your head. Whether or not the bubble will burst depends on how much "stimulus" the govt puts into the economy. The more money govt throw into non productive purposes like subsidy, bailouts, white elephant projects, or other wastages, the higher the likelihood of a bubble bursting.
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- The property is like 14 years old, completed in 2001. Launch price was only about RM100~RM120K back then I think. Me & my family have been renting for many years already. Understand what you mean, about having a roof over our heads and not consider it an investment. But of course when I own the property, I hope that the price can escalate in the further and not fall instead. I'm afraid that this is already the peak with no potential, and perhaps might even drop price in future. Perhaps in the future, wanna upgrade to a double storey too. Not to say I'm not happy with the current property about that I'm buying. It's just that I'm realistic, that with my current position for the near future, this is the best that I can afford. But compared to what I'm renting now, it is quite a significant difference.

Thanks for replying nod.gif
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post Sep 23 2015, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Sep 23 2015, 11:45 AM)
I see... so between 2001 and 2009 the property price went from RM120k to roughly RM200k, and then from 2009 to today, the price went from RM200k to RM350k?
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yes, its really crazy rclxub.gif
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post Sep 23 2015, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Sep 23 2015, 11:57 AM)
Well... Personally, I will be asking myself, did the prices of bricks, cement, piping, electrical wiring, labor costs went up by 4x over the last 14 years. It probably cost the developers RM70-80k to build the house, so if you strip the house down to its bare components, you're essentially paying RM360k (price) for something that cost RM70-80k (worth) to build.

This itself is not an issue as long as you are willing to pay. But keep in mind that the further the price of a property is to its worth, the more volatile it will be in the open market. Is something that is worth RM80k going to realistically go much further up? Maybe, but it will be very prone volatility of market disrupting factors, for example... container homes, or GST, or RPGT, etc. Lets say a property built at RM100k in Jinjang suddenly experience a population boom, it is very easy for that RM100k selling price to turn into RM200k, but for the price to move even further upwards away from RM100k, there needs to be some market factor to push the price wayyy up.

It's similar to the UUU people sentiment talking about a bubble bursting. In order for property prices to crash, you need a 1997 level economic crisis. For property prices to surge, you will also need a 2010 type property boom.

Is that going to happen again?
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nowadays not much landed developments, if there are they're usually high-end ones. I think the prices nowadays are like that, even a single storey in setia alam also minimum 400k if you lucky enough to find one. Now those new launches like studios in cyberjaya / 600+sq ft two bed room apartments in damansara / cheras also 400k+.

I've been thinking of the things you bring up, kind of feels like a sucker buying it for the current price. Yet again the bank valuation for the Bk4 single storey is 400-420K, so 350k is quite undervalue.

I'm not sure about the future prospects on the economy, but now I see people still BBB/UUU/WWW sweat.gif

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