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post Sep 13 2007, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Sep 12 2007, 10:57 PM)
don't know this is an old news not...

according to liewcf's blog,those have no proper salery or other income prove document people,if they have at lease hold RM10k public mutual unit for 1 year++ ,they can use it as a income prove to apply public bank's gold credit card.
i don't know if this will encourage you to invest..
if you hold >RM100k of public mutual unit trust for 1 year++, they.. public mutual will offer you a complimentary platinum credit card.. free(perpetual).

almost same condition with yours above, but just add another zero(0) to the sum..

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post Sep 14 2007, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Sep 13 2007, 07:17 PM)
I wonder whether the Gold Mutual (>RM100k) status has good practical benefits?
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the benefits are stated in the corporate website.. amongst all the stated benefits, the free magazine is the least that i found useful.
PMutual has cut cost (and soon more cost cutting initiatives will come).. and consolidate to only 1 magazine of choice.

the waiving of switching fee is very useful..
the free insurance is an added advantage.. (although i've a little doubt on the underwritings/underwriters)
the free will writing is a benefit for those who have assets and legacies to leave behind..
the complimentary credit card is most appreciated.. the annual fee for the card alone can be like RM500-600/annum

the free petrol voucher from lonpac isn't useful for me as i'm on a 3rd-party policy..(self-insured *lol*), thus i'm not entitled to it.

the quarterly bulletins..? well, they're historical news.. (if only you can get updated news/feeds, now that's a value)

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post Sep 14 2007, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Sep 14 2007, 09:47 AM)
I so han the mutual gold status leh...  biggrin.gif  It's one of my financial milestone

Fall? Today up wor  icon_rolleyes.gif
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mutual gold benefits will slowly shrink(there're reasons to it, of course).. i hope you won't be dissapointed when you've finally reached that significant milestone of yours.
just don't bank in a too high expectation of this status.. your own personal achievements are worth more than that.


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post Sep 14 2007, 01:22 PM

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1. the credit card is a platinum..

2. switching fee is free across both loaded & unloaded funds (only service charges varies and it's a one time thingy)

3. you really pay attention to the baskin robbin coupons eh? hehee.. there're other coupons every now and then.

4. mutual gold seminars.. are great but pay attention to the speakers. i skipped this year's session.. location & speaker wasn't ideal. soon they'll hold it in sunway.

5. mutual gold customer service? don't hope for it.. turnover was tremendously high.
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post Sep 14 2007, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 14 2007, 11:52 AM)
Let say if I repurchase the fund and invest in another fund with the repurchase money, will that deduct my Mutual Gold points? Sounds silly, sorry.
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yes.. your points will be adjusted accordingly when you repurchase..
but since you're buying back into a new fund(provided it's also a loaded fund).. then your points will be added back.

but it's most wasteful to do a repurchase and then follow with a purchase.. you pay a heavy service charge (X2)
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post Sep 14 2007, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(ejleemy @ Sep 14 2007, 01:31 PM)
The calculation of Mutual Gold Qualifying Point is based on your initial investment of equity fund only. Bond/MM funds do not count.

If you withdraw or switch to a bond fund, the points will be deducted *. When you invest additional money, your points will increase by the amount of money you invested.

If you are wondering how do they provide you with all these Mutual Gold benefits ? It's from the fund annual management fee of ~1.5% (higher for foreign funds) **. Say you have 100k in equity fund and PM will take 1.5k from your fund every year to cover all the expenses - admin, fund managers salary & bonus, mutual gold etc
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* ppst - not quite right.. (are you a mutual gold member yourself?)
** ppst - not quite right also la.. (have you worked in public mutuall before?)

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post Sep 14 2007, 03:41 PM

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for those folks who're pondering about investing through their EPF..

you've to be quite loaded as there're pre-requisite that you've to fullfill before you're considered qualify.. i'm sure our champ pm agent (aka unit trust consultant) here can advice you on this..

mutual gold insurance is RM 1/point
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post Sep 15 2007, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 14 2007, 09:54 PM)
I think the breakdown should be like this:

Equity ---> Bond : RM 25
Equity ---> Cash (MMF) : FREE
Bond ---> Equity : RM 25
Cash ---> Equity : RM 25

The thing I'm not that sure will be:

Bond ---> Cash : RM ?
Cash ---> Bond : RM ?

Not so familiar with Cash or Money Market Funds. Equity fund includes balanced and dividend funds.
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hhmnn.. quite persistently stubborn despite repeatedly stating to you folks out here..
on a hindsight, i believe you're confused with the loaded(commission) charge.. by moving from a bond -> equity

switching fee is different from a commission charge. i hope you're clear with this and read more closely.
there're forumers here who really have to know their stuff with pmutual as they have their precious stakes there.

try to differentiate between an arm-chair critics and keen investor.. (i'm telling you from a point of an investor here)
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post Sep 15 2007, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Sep 14 2007, 07:05 PM)
Gold Mutual don't come cheap. RM100k
6.5% is RM6500

Think about it, this aint cheap sad.gif
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you're right.. it's not a chicken-feed sum of money..

i thanked my God that, a good plan was executed in a way that i got my entire pmutual investment free of sales-charges.. that plan was hatched in 5 years.

what i saved can actually buy me a nice car.. God's plan is wonderful, that's all i can tell you..
so there's way(s) to avoid that 6.5% (heck, it was even higher last time).. but not many will walk the path that i took.

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post Sep 15 2007, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Sep 15 2007, 02:26 AM)
hmm.gif ................by becoming an agent yourself?.......kekeke wink.gif
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yes, that's one way.. but notice the word is in plural form, means it's more than one way..
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post Sep 15 2007, 07:26 PM

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i seriously doubt there're investment pro here..
not many people make a full time living out from their investment..

there keen investors here.. hardly a pro. so any rendition of advices you received, take it with a pinch of salt.. mine included..

we are all here trying to make sense on how money works and it's erratic behaviors..

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post Sep 17 2007, 09:37 AM

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you guys can't really think out of the box, can you?!?
there're strategies in life that i follow, in which i find not many people does..
most of you guys think it's impossible.. but never venture out an inch to find out all the possibilities..

dzi..
you only think from the minimum point of view.. think larger.

leeky..
i'm mentioned before.. you're just not catching it.

perhaps you can ask kingkong.. what's a pink investment?



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post Sep 17 2007, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Sep 16 2007, 01:50 AM)
For EPF investment:
1) Money from Account I can be used to invest

2) Investment amount = [Y (amt in Account I) - RM50K] X 20% = Z
    In other words, your account 1 first have to accumulate a minimum of 50K 1st before u start to consider using ur epf to invest.

3) Can be done every 3 months only

4) All distribution will be reinvested automactically

5) Capital + any profit made have to be credited back into your Account I

6) Additional investment using cash cannot be made into EPF account.

7) EPF restricted all UTI to funds investing in local market only, therefore only a few funds in PM are available for EPF investment: PRSF, PIX, PIDF, PIBF, PSBF, PMMF, PIMMF
So, usually people who qualify (RM50K) are around 30 yrs old + in order to invest using EPF money, except ur salary is damn high when u r at 20s
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you make it sounds like it's just RM50K.. but if you examine it in totality.. to qualify for the RM50K on your acc-1, your entire epf will have to be above RM100K..

that's speaking in totality or retrospectively.. so if you don't have RM100K in your entire EPF, you're not qualified for this scheme.. it's a threshold that you need to achieved..

are we clear?
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post Sep 17 2007, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Sep 17 2007, 10:32 AM)
lwb,

I think this is normal...most of the people can't think out of the box. If everybody can think so, most people are rich man. In fact, most people in the world is poor. Maybe 10% of the people like you, can get rich.

That's why we are still struggling here to get rich.
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i feel sad reading your post..

my life mission is not about wealth on earth.. it's not the 10%
you see, focusing on acquiring wealth is just 1/3(one third) of the picture.. (which most of you guys pay attention to at this forum)

1. acquiring
2. preserving
3. perpetuate

i'm just a steward of what my God has given me.. and in fullfilling all the 3 parts above, i hope that i'll pick up good values, wisdom and character that i can pass on with any legacies that i may leave behind someday..

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post Sep 17 2007, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(ejleemy @ Sep 17 2007, 12:32 PM)
There's a limit with pink form with initial and monthly contribution. You can't channel 100k all at once with service charge free funds. So practically it takes months/years to invest all your $$$ using this agent priviledge. And remember there's always an opportunity cost for everything.
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you're still not thinking out of the box..
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post Sep 17 2007, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Sep 17 2007, 03:27 PM)
Well, i stated there RM50K in Account 1, and you have to accumulate the minimum RM 50K in ACCOUNT 1, before starts to consider applying for EPF investment using the excess after deducting RM50K. I do understand that it is not easy to accumulate that amount, that is why usually people who qualify are in the 30s. This is just only looking at Account 1.

If you are talking in entire/whole EPF account, then you r right.
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always look at the total picture..
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post Oct 2 2007, 04:22 PM

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wait.. it's not free for switching to and fro..
remember.. you'll still have to fork out the $25 ticket each time you hop onto the switching bus..

so "free" is only on the perspective of sales commission/charges.

if only you manage to accumulate to a mutual gold status.. then each switching bus ride is free (for now)
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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Oct 1 2007, 11:51 PM)
have a question,hope the bond fund senior can answer me,are bond fund and money market fund's distribution also subjected to the 28% goverment tax?
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dividend/distribution on a unit trust should be the least of your concern.. because of 2 factors
1. ex-dividend/distribution price equalization
2. dividend/distribution is already nett of tax for unit trust

alot of folks don't get the price-equalization concept right.. i've seen lots of them treating it like real stocks/shares and opt for redeeming their distribution/dividends unit.. it's a bad move actually.
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post Oct 2 2007, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Oct 2 2007, 06:12 PM)
No. Switching from loaded bond into equity does not need to pay RM25. I have done this few times for the past few weeks
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are you absolutely sure? (it's a rapid kl style..? round trip ticket?).. i'd like to confirm that the next time i make a call to pmutual.. (did you find out from the officially?)
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post Oct 2 2007, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Oct 2 2007, 10:31 PM)
no,i am not mix,just i think,if bond fund's distribution need to pay goverment tax like equity fund,then i will invest in bank and insurance company's saving plan instead,28% tax on distribution is high.
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have already provided you the answer.. read carefully. the keyword was "nett"

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