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post Oct 3 2007, 01:35 PM

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Ok, so a fund gives distributions/dividends every now and then. You get more units. You are told it's worth so many percent, which sounds quite good.

But after the distribution, the unit price drops. Therefore, you have more units worth a lower price per unit which hardly makes a difference to the overall amount.

So, what is the real point of distributions?
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post Nov 7 2007, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Nov 6 2007, 12:43 AM)



Added on November 6, 2007, 12:51 amInformation with regards to 2 NEW PUBLIC MUTUAL funds,

1) Public Sector Select Fund (PSSF)

2) Public Islamic Sector Select Fund (PISSF)

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Why has Public Mutual got so many funds with similar Investor Profiles?

Anything different (from existing funds) about these 2 new ones?
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post Nov 7 2007, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Nov 7 2007, 08:47 AM)

Hope this helps  smile.gif
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1. Let's say I'm looking for a PM fund where the manager has great flexibility in shifting the weighting between equity and fix-income depending on market conditions, which ones should I start reading on?

2. Is the Public China Select Fund too high to be buying into at this time? Just looking for general comments.
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post Nov 18 2007, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Nov 16 2007, 10:55 PM)
It was informed to all agents...no public announcement being made yet...

So lets see what is PM next plan for this fund.

Fund closure on the 1st day offer has happened before...Focus Select Fund  is one example. Sold on the morning of the 1st launching day.... nod.gif
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Are these sell-outs due to the discount in the service charge?

Because I can't see anything different in those 2 funds which is investing in equities in the domestic market - sounds similar to what many other funds are doing.
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post Dec 7 2007, 12:29 AM

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WOW, that 's is very high, much higher than SG.. we already complain for sometime and the rate has came down not long ago from 5% to 3%, and some still at 5%.  However, there are those who offers online trading at 1.5% discount and even 1% if you can invest 50K above... Actually, its more expensive than investing in stock even for SG UT... market regulator is asking for more reduction in sales charges and commision..and we the investors... still complaining the sales charge is too high...

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Not all Funds charge that much.

Some funds, depending on agent/distributor will give a discount on the Service charge up to as much as 60%. So for a service charge of 5%, a 60% discount on that means you pay only 2%.

Pays to shop around.
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post Dec 7 2007, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(bafukie @ Dec 7 2007, 01:51 PM)
Prob those who are interested should starts to look @ foreign funds. In malaysia 20-30% return pa is consider very good or perhaps one of the best funds already. In US or Hong Kong, good funds that generate 20-30% return is consider sap sap sui. In US, good funds generate more than 100% p.a and HK, one of the best funds generate over 800% in 5 years. So, widen ur horizon... the grass is REALLY greener on the other side. Cheers .
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Sure, just name one or two funds that have generated over 100% p.a....
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post Dec 10 2007, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Dec 10 2007, 11:14 AM)
About the transparency issue, I think interim and annual report of each fund will cater the information of the portfolio of the fund. So far I know Public Mutual and OSKUOB have. Public Mutual also publish the portfolio of each fund every month, just most of the investors are not aware of it. Please always request this from your agent.

About the service charge and fee, yes, 6.5% is a bit high, so in fact, most of the unit trust companies now are trying to reduce the service charge. Anyway, Spore UT industry is different from Msia, as Msia still need some time to achieve the current state of Spore UT industry. I believe eventually, Msia UT industry will be same as Spore, using online facility to trade UT and minimize the need of agent service.

About foreign funds, yes, some of the funds really did well in these 3 years, cause of the China booming market. In Msia, there is no fund specialize on China region until recently, but in HK, the China fund there has been launched for more than 3 years. They experience the total booming of China market, but Msia funds only experience it recently. This is due to the different investment strategies, and the China market is booming. Another thing I realize, foreign fund is almost impossible for small investors, where I found there is 1 HK fund minimum initial investment is USD5000, which is more than RM15,000.
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I don't require too much detail on each fund mostly because I don't understand the details. I suspect the majority of investors are in the same boat. What I do require are top level details like asset class, market segments, weighting eg up to 70% growth equities in Greater China region, plus say the top-5 holdings. And I expect/require these things (%, top-5) to change too, ie the Fund manager to do some trading depending on conditions to maximise the returns. Otherwise, I could just buy the shares of those companies and sit on them myself. These top level details are usually available from the Fund Fact sheets.

As for the Service charge, I am unclear how much value the agents actually contribute. They can do some risk profiling and that's it. Here's hoping online facilities happen soon. All it needs is for one fund manager to set something up, and the others would quickly follow.

There are a number of reasons why foreign funds are difficult. Apart from minimum investment, most websites have information and requirements for local residents only - they don't say what happens when you are not local. Besides, I am not comfortable transferring not-small-amount of funds to an overseas based organisation that I have never dealt with before.
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post Dec 11 2007, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(bbmars @ Dec 10 2007, 11:15 PM)

All these holdings were bought from the 2 online traders whichever offers best charges... All buy & sell its through them... of course, I can transfer my UT holding any of traders so long as I am a member...  All this are sanctioned by MAS and link to CPF and even your bank account.
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Can you clarify what you mean by "middle man trading companies" and "online traders"?

What type of companies/traders are they? Do they have local offices (in SG)? Can you name examples?
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post Dec 15 2007, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(ableze_joepardy @ Dec 14 2007, 10:33 PM)
hi.. want to ask.. which one is better between this two opt..

a) Invest when a particular UT Fund about to declare their divident and gain the pro-rated bonus

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b) Invest after they declare their divident (means buy unit with lowest price)

and anyone here can help me with the UT price history for the time they declare the divident? I want the price before they declare, how much they declare and the price after they declare.. thx..
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Do a search through this forum - someone has already given detailed examples of how this work. Short answer is, it makes no difference to the net worth of your investments.

As for price history, some Fund manager websites are better than others in providing this sort of information.

PS: I see someone is quicker in replying... smile.gif


Added on December 15, 2007, 2:32 pm
QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 15 2007, 01:59 PM)
When fund generate net 10% return rate for you, they are actually make at least 17% or more already. Don't you think it is unfair for the profit ratio? Make 17% while you only get 10% while the fund house takes 7% while it is your money at risk, not theirs. While making loss time, they still charge the same or gain the same, but investors bare all the losses.
Very good point - fund house makes profit with no risk.

About the "fund house takes 7%", can you explain where this comes from? Is it some sort of industry standard?

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post Dec 19 2007, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(ableze_joepardy @ Dec 19 2007, 10:41 AM)
can u help me wit this? i cant find any specific in cimb-wealthadvisors.com website.. im looking for DALI history price actually.. maybe any CIMB UT agent can help me?
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DALI = SBB Dana Al-Ihsan. The historical prices are there but the website programmer is too lazy to provide a simple functionality for you to download a date-range, or provide a simple chart.

PM me with your email and I can provide 9-mths history in csv format which you can use in a spreadsheet. In fact, I can provide history for practically any fund. Maybe I should start selling it... smile.gif
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post Dec 22 2007, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(bbmars @ Dec 20 2007, 11:30 PM)
be it long term. the climate to invest in UT has totally changed.  In SG, some analysts are even suggesting maximising gain by selling instead of holding out like my colleague did. 
There are several ways of looking at it.

If you buy/sell instead of hold, then you need to get the timing right. In hindsight, getting timing right is usually easier said than done. It takes guts to buy when the market is going down. It takes discipline to sell when the market is going up.

On the other hand, doing at least some buy/sell (or switching) is likely to be better than just holding and doing absolutely nothing.


Added on December 22, 2007, 8:37 pm
QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Dec 22 2007, 01:44 PM)
This is sure a good news!as we all know,public mutual is the big brother in mutual market,its action to reduce the service charge will sure be follow by other player later.

i personaly don't mind the initial service charge at 5 to 6.5%,as the agent need to come to our place to explain the fund and help us fill up the form,but the following top up process is rather passive and automatic,i see no reason the top up service charge can not be lesser than 4%.
Actually, many other Fund's service charge are already lower than PM. But hopefully, this will also make them reduce further.



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post Dec 23 2007, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 23 2007, 05:49 AM)
1)  If you have a good asset allocation model that you are comfortable with.  You could have open an USA online brokerage A/C and buy ETF that invest all over the world across multiple asset classes.  The fee is only tradiing cost and annual fee is less than 1%.
Can you recommend some names for USA online brokers? I have been looking at a few brokers websites, but of course you cannot believe everything you read on the web. smile.gif

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post Dec 29 2007, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(Polaris @ Dec 28 2007, 06:53 PM)
Isn't funds more about holding it long term instead of constantly selling/buying?
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If you are happy with the fund manager and the performance of the fund - no problem.

And some managers/funds are good, and some are not. Which means that if you have got a not-good one, you might have to consider cutting your loses...
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post Dec 29 2007, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(Polaris @ Dec 29 2007, 07:11 PM)
Given that almost all funds charge at least 6% total fees and inflation is at around 5%, to get 20% back the fund will have to perform at least 30% growth.

If the fund's growth average 15%  then it's just a 4% return after deducting the fees and inflation.
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You might not even get that. My point is - if the fund has been underperforming, you may have to consider whether there's any point in hanging on to it for long term. Sure selling it now may mean lower profits or even a loss, but is it going to get any better long term?
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post Jan 2 2008, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(lifeless_creature @ Jan 2 2008, 04:43 PM)
oh....ok..smile.gif thanks~!
And back to topic by Grengo01, the 1 fund that focuses on natural resources/gas that I found is from OSKUOB-Resources, which invests in palm oil, natural gas, oil. timber, coal, miningg, etc. companies across Asia region including Australia...though that fund may not be EPF-certified...take a look if you're interested smile.gif
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The OSK-UOB Cumulative Performance tables don't seem to be working currently, but I believe this fund is one of the top performing local funds in the past year. But it also had one of the biggest drops in August, so maybe this is not for those who like a good sleep.
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post Jan 3 2008, 09:41 PM

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For me, I try to stay away from funds that focus on a specific sector. The fund may be doing well, but there could be other sectors that are doing even better, and I like the fund managers to have the flexibility to choose the sectors as they see fit depending on the conditions at the time.

The other thing is I try not to buy into new funds. While the funds may sound good on paper, a lot depends on the actual strategy the fund managers are going to adopt and how good the fund managers actually are. In a lot of cases, it comes down to the one (or two) person in the fund management team making the call which makes all the difference. So, I like a little bit of history in the fund before I decide.

That is what I try to do - which may not be the same as what I end up doing.....
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post Jan 4 2008, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 4 2008, 02:38 PM)

Just may be make you feel good about 'more units' or price is low (0.25), but in actual fact it makes no different.

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I think that is one of the main reasons why the funds like to split/bonus/dividend etc to keep the price per unit "low" - the feel-good psychological factor. It makes people want to buy because it is "cheap". It makes no difference to fund value of course, but it can be significant in affecting share prices.
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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Jan 4 2008, 03:19 PM)
I deplore agents that advise their client to SELL and re-enter at a later date when price becomes "attractive". This only gives the agent opportunity to make more commission.
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I don't have a problem with this IF the agents can get the timing right. For eg, in 2007 there were 2 big drops - March and August. If an agent had told me to sell in July, and buy again in mid-August, I would have gladly given them double the service charge. smile.gif
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From the PM website: "Public Mutual unitholders who have at least 100,000 qualifying points..... are automatically upgraded to MUTUAL GOLD status"

Question: what is a "point"?
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PB Fixed Income Fund shows a sharp drop/rise in Jun, 07 which is unusual for a bond fund. What could be the reason for that?

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