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bengang13
post Oct 16 2007, 06:31 PM

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Hi guys,

I am new to this thread. Hope to get some pointes from the old timer here. I started investing in Mutual Funds since 2003 but that was mostly done by my parents on my behalf. only lately have i taken it seriosuly. Mine is mostly in Public Mutual. But I am thinking of diversifying it since, I htink Public mutual is kind aof over-rated and not giving me a satisfactory returns..

I thought of putting into CMS. have anyone heard of it?
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post Oct 18 2007, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 17 2007, 11:31 AM)
Which funds have you invested in..?
How is PM over rated..?
We're getting very good returns from PM, so I don't think we exagerate anything..
What is your "satisfactory" returns by the way..? wink.gif
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I've got Small Cap, Ittikal, Focus Select and Islamic Equity.
Just a brief one here. Over all, i started investing year 2003 and i have profited about 56% since then. So about 14% anually. Is that much? I really don't know( I mean, i really do not know...not to be sarcastic here..what do you think?)
Perhaps i should not say overrated. it just that there are quiet a lots of funds outside there and people seems to be focusing just on PB. don;t get me wrong, i htink they are good, just that i believe we need to diiversify to other funds.
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post Oct 18 2007, 09:56 PM

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I mention earlier, i am just beginnign to get involve in Trust Fund only recently. I got my funds mostly from teh advice of my parents and teh agent. So i just buta buta beli only. i was lucky in teh sense that these funds are performing...
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post Oct 18 2007, 09:59 PM

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Neh.... all my parents knows is trust funds give better returns than FD and need to be long term. so if you don't need the money for say....2-3 years.. its probably best to leave it at the trust fund..

man..it raining so heavy outside. i hope it doesn't flood teh whole motorola...
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post Oct 19 2007, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Oct 19 2007, 03:41 PM)
NO. 1
Usually, when you do switch all your units into a new fund is when the fund is not performing up to your expectation. Therefore, you switch to other funds that has more potential.

Full switching may oso be done (to bond/mmf) when the market is down to preserve your capital. and will switch back into equity once the market is more stable.

NO. 2
This kind of switching is what we call profit taking. Once your fund perform to a certain target that u set, then you switch out some of your units to lock-in your profit. (i.e. take out your capital and leave your profit in there)

NO. 3
Mayb by leaving some low-cost units in your fund, when you buy in the fund again, it can helps to lower your cost per units.
Average cost means your average NAV cost/unit (include service charges +/- switching fees). Anyhting above this value is your profit.

as usual, do always take into the account of RM25 switching fees that is imposed as this will be included into your unit cost.

Pro and Cons?? If you switch too many times, in the end, you incur more loss than profit. Switching do save you the service charges for reentering the market. It oso useful in doing your asset allocation.

I would say, determine why you want to switch and when to switch.
not performing? preserve capital? market drop? profit taking?
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So when the market is down, you switch to Bond? and when it goes even lower(an acceptable level) you buy at lower cost?
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post Oct 19 2007, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(SK2 @ Oct 19 2007, 04:48 PM)
can i ask, any bond fund can recommend?
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I think its relatively safe to buy any Bond. it doesn't flactuate as much. I have PBOND
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post Oct 19 2007, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Oct 19 2007, 05:04 PM)
Too bad PBOND sudah tutup sad.gif Cannot open new account  shakehead.gif
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Doesn't make much difference to you..haha. since you dun "park" much. btw. rule of tumb, how much do you keep aside in fix deposit, mutual funds or other investement?

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post Oct 19 2007, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 19 2007, 06:40 PM)
I'm not saying that people should stick ONLY with PM, don't get me wrong bro..
I believe non of my posts asked people not to choose other fund managers but only PM..
I'm just saying through what other forumers and I have experienced with PM funds, not just by rumours..
I'm just asking him for clarification, since he's saying he's not getting satisfactory returns..
If what he says is really true, then I could learn something too right..?
Cheers bro.. smile.gif
Based on what I can see, if you invested anytime between 02-Jan-03 and 02-Jan-04 until 18-Oct-07, your average profit should be at least 95.80% (annualised 23.95%)..
How come you're saying that you have only profited about 56%..?
I don't quite understand, unless PM did something on the charts to make their funds look better.. wink.gif
Even by looking at Lipper, you'll see these funds growing more than 50% on average for the last 3 years..
Have you still been keeping these funds, or did you redeem early..?
I'm not to say that you're wrong, but did you miss out something in your calculation..?
Did you include the distributions/splits by these funds (they have announced a few distributions already)..
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for Small Cap, i started investing since 2000 and the rest around 2003..
not too sure. i am checkign with my agent. she have not replied my email
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post Oct 19 2007, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 19 2007, 07:18 PM)
It's better to check the returns from their systems..
It includes all the profits from distributions/splits, thus more accurate..
Distributions will greatly affect the prices of funds, especially for you who have invested for so long..
Hope you get your reply soon and you can share with us the results.. smile.gif
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I called her. she said it is possible that she switch some of the profit to Bond. she will send me a details statement soon. I remembered signing some forms for switching. Hopefully i did not wrongly sign anything. is there anyway i can track my recored from the time i started investing (year 2000 till now) liek going to thier office and request for a statement?
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post Oct 20 2007, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 20 2007, 10:46 AM)
I think you can request for a reprint of your statements, but need to pay..
It's going to be hell if you have not been doing proper portfolio management for these 4 years, but it's still manageable if you spend some time on it..
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yeah.. i am learning the hard way now. previosuly i just let my agent run the show. it was only recently i realize how much i have in PM and its time for me to take charge.. hope to learn form you guyss
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post Oct 20 2007, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 20 2007, 11:07 PM)
For me, I prefer DIY, even for UT which is managed by fund managers..
We need to make our own decisions so we will not blame anyone when it goes wrong..
If we let our agents do it, we might blame them if things go wrong..
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So this Monday you are really plannign to shift your equity to bond is it?
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post Oct 21 2007, 12:15 AM

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switching from telemutual can only be done during working hours/day?
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post Oct 21 2007, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 21 2007, 09:27 PM)
There's no need to wait for 21 days to make another switch..
Switching only takes 2-3 days to be processed, so after the details have gone through, you can switch provided you have valid reasons..
I've just checked with the GM of my branch..
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What kinda of reason? meaning to say you cannot change using telemutual is it?
i just switch my Focus Select and Islamic Equity to Money Market. Leaving Smallcap and Ittikal intact.
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post Oct 21 2007, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 21 2007, 10:00 PM)
Can use telemutual, but if the office feels suspicious about your switching, they might call you and your agent for verification..
If your reason is invalid, then you might get banned from switching in the future..
If for normal switch to lock in profits, it's ok..
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what i am trying to say is...after changing from equity to bond/money market, the next 2-3 days you changed back to equity. will it raise any suspicion?
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post Oct 21 2007, 11:46 PM

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iyo...not all lar...just part of it only..hahaha
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post Oct 22 2007, 02:08 PM

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yeah. if it is just a few k then batter not lor. but i think it all depends...if you forsee that you will loss more, then better just omit the rm25..
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post Oct 25 2007, 07:13 PM

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My UT Agent sent me an article on it...if gusy want i can pose it online..here are the snippet

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post Oct 28 2007, 09:47 PM

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Anybody knows which UT is allowed?
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post Nov 21 2007, 10:26 AM

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I am planning to set a side a small portion of my monthly(automatic deduction)salaray to be invested in for long term. as in until my retirement. do you guys know of any funds besides Mutual funds that i can contribute to?
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post Nov 28 2007, 12:39 PM

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Any other Mutual Funds that offer good service besides PB Mutual? i am looking for moderate risk so that i can put in a bit of money every month for my retirement plan.....

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