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SKY 1809
post Feb 17 2008, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(houlierr @ Feb 8 2008, 04:15 PM)
Guys, I just started investing in an endownment fund with Great Easten. I pay RM335 per month till I'm 55 (26 now) and then they pay me the whole lump sum. Interest is at 7%. Is this a good deal?
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I believe It is based on future projections. a 7% is high for endorsement plan like yours ( traditional policies ).

For a traditional policy, a large sum is locked in fixed deposit or interest earning instruments.

Most traditional plans only guarantee you on the cash value, not the returns which are depending on the performances of fixed deposits and share markets from year to year.

Moreover, insurance companies have problems ( not enough in the markets ) to invest in good assets ( safe investments ) with annual 7% returns in the markets. Do not forget they have to pay the agents some commissions to do marketing ( which is fair ) and administration overheads to take care.

Think about it, any good and established company would not even want to borrow money at 10% interest. They have choice to get cheaper loans from oversea.

In fact, many insurance companies are giving out home loans at about 7% fixed rate, from money collected from you. It is considered as one of their best investment returns.

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post Feb 20 2008, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Feb 20 2008, 07:49 PM)
There was a thread on PFECTF some time ago.
It's investing in consumer sector in Far East countries, so it will be very cyclical in nature.
The earnings will be based on consumer spendings mainly.
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I have doubt over the above statement about Consumer Theme Fund.


A large of the funds are to be invested into food and beverage like milk , milo, tobacco, footware, teleco services, entertainment co, hand phones manufacturing etc and household products needed in daily life .

Please explain what you do mean by " will be very cyclical in nature " ? What are you referring to ?

Do you mind to share ?

Thank you in advance.

P/S : Google search :-

The non-cyclical securities, also called defensive stocks, experience profit regardless of economic gyrations because they produce or distribute goods and services we always need: food, power, water and gas.

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The difference between cyclical and non-cyclical industries is simply the difference between necessity and luxury. There are certain items we can't live without and won't likely cut back on even when times are tough. The stocks of companies producing these things are non-cyclical and are "defended" against the effects of economic downturn, providing great places to invest when the economic outlook is sour. For example, household non-durable goods - a fancy term for the things you use up quickly around the house - such as toothpaste, soap, shampoo and dish detergent may not seem like essentials, but you can't really sacrifice them. Most people don't feel they can wait until next year to lather up with soap in the shower.



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post Feb 20 2008, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Feb 20 2008, 11:00 PM)
PFECTF is a high risk fund, so it would invest mainly in aggressive stocks.
The aggressive stocks are cyclical, as you can see from your search that non-cyclical stocks are more defensive.
So, it does not really complement the objective of the fund.
If PFECTF were to be a dividend fund, then we can expect it to have more weightage on non-cyclical stocks.
This is just my opinion from the potential stocks selection list by the fund manager smile.gif
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Are you saying " Aggressive = Cyclical " ?
Moderate Risk = non cyclical ?
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Feb 20 2008, 11:11 PM)
Yes, I do mean that smile.gif
Even your google search result tells you that non-cyclical = defensive = moderate.
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Thank you. I make a note here.

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post Feb 22 2008, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(MX510 @ Feb 21 2008, 01:36 PM)
Divide lah ur fund if scared put in bond and equity smile.gif

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One should advise clients to invest according the clients' risk profiles, and not on " scared" . I prefer to use another way " how comfortable " or comfort level of clients.

Investing into bonds at certain times or now when there are lot uncertainties , it is a strategy and not "scared."
Certain people may want to invest for a short period of let say less than 3 years, so bonds could be more appropriate.

Wealth Protection when the economy is uncertain is very important.

Just my 2sen opinion.

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post Feb 22 2008, 10:30 PM

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"Far East" itself should cover Vietnam or even as far as US. I believe fund managers should invest where the potentials are and not restricted to one country alone. More rooms to provide better returns to investors, take profits if a country's market is about to correct from high valuations.

Just 2 sen opinion.


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post Feb 23 2008, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 23 2008, 10:05 AM)
But, US is considered Western already. Far-East generally refere to Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China, and Pacific Rim countries. (West of Pacific until the GMT line)
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Far East according PM does include US , but most likely fund managers would not touch these regions.

I heard it during the fund briefing when PM is about to launch the Consumer Theme Fund.

As I said earlier, I am only a very small agent, so I never ask them why this and not. But I do know US is one of the APEC countries, whether by force or otherwise, I also do not know.

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post Feb 24 2008, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 23 2008, 12:32 PM)
Fund managers: Market likely to improve in H2

StarBiz speaks to some fund managers on the market's direction in view of the current strong sell-down.

GERALD AMBROSE, Managing director of Aberdeen Asset Management Sdn Bhd

The local bourse's performance yesterday was largely led by Gamuda Bhd's sharp share price plunge, triggered by the sell-down by Gamuda managing director Datuk Lin Yun Ling on Thursday. 

The market reacted in the worst way possible. It was more of a sentiment thing. 

Malaysia has always been a safe haven for investors and has been on the uptrend for a while. 

Having said that, I think local investors are beginning to become anxious over future corporate earnings, given the unstable conditions in global markets. 

DANNY WONG, Chief executive officer of Areca Capital Sdn Bhd

Investors should not worry too much about yesterday's performance. The road in the short-term may be a little bumpy but most equity markets recover faster than expected. 

I foresee the local bourse performing better in the second half. 

Our fundamentals remain intact with inflation under control, interest rates stable and gross domestic product figures strong.

As foreigners perceive our currency as having more upside, there will be an inflow of money into our market. 

As for corporate earnings, we are "still there" although some recent earnings were below expectations. Firm pump priming measures should sustain earnings. 

Should the US go into recession, Malaysia would be the least affected among the emerging economies as our (robust) commodity sector would help balance things up.

We are positive on mainly banking and construction stocks and neutral on the plantation sector, which has seen a strong run-up. 

WEE KIM HONG, Head of research of M&A Securities Sdn Bhd

Our market was holding quite well even when the regional markets tumbled over the past couple of months. Investors may feel that at the moment there is not much news to drive the market and chose to take profit. 

Having said that, I am more positive on the market now compared with a few weeks ago. I believe it will strengthen after the general election.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...40&sec=business
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In time like this ( GE is coming ) , it is a bit risky to say the negative things, mostly concentrate on the good things.

The impact of likely fuel increase was not discussed here ( too sensitive ) , Investors better think twice, it is your money that matters.

Just my 2sen opinion.

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post Feb 24 2008, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Feb 24 2008, 03:51 PM)
For the Consumer Themed Fund PFECTF, it did not include US as one of its investment country. However, they can have the option to invest in company that have its business throughout the world but only listed in its origin country/other country. For example, Coca-cola have its business throughout whole world & Malaysia as well & consider to b a good consumer stocks, however its company is only listed in US market...therefore, the if Fund Manager wan to invest in this stock, he hv to invest from US market.

i.e. only selective stocks that are listed in US will be chosen by Fund Manager and not directly the whole market of US is being invested in. Therefore, US is definitely not included in the "Far-East" term here  smile.gif
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I was asked by the moderator earlier whether Far East does include US Stock Markets, and I replied it is.

" According to page 10 of the prospectus under section Investment Strategy " Establishments are listed in Europe, US and Australia markets."

I did say that Fund Managers do not pick US as a region to invest.

I also said earlier i like Consumer Theme, because funds managers pick stocks that doing business worldwide, so might be able to cushion the impact of US recession if any.

The fund emphasizes on CONSUMER THEME.

I remember PM invest in listed equities only ( for equity funds) , so US means stocks listed in US stock markets.


I do not dispute your above statements.

I am just a junior in PM, Perhaps you are in better position to ask PM to define clearly, as many new agents like me got confused also.


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post Mar 10 2008, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(bploh @ Mar 10 2008, 02:19 PM)
No one knows... even without the election the global market in general are not favourable as well. However foreign fund manager see this (election outcome) as something good for longer term - http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

I feel that the best is to stick back to fundamentals. As long as the general corporate earnings continue to grow, we could take advantage of short term volatility to accumulate cheaper units and stay invested for mid - longer term.

The PE ratio of index-link companies were "fair" but after today's fall should be cheaper than previous years average. I personally feel that the valuation of small/mid cap companies are much more attractive in general. Especially many of these companies were able to sustain double digit growth over the past few years.

"Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful" - Warren Buffett
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Yes, you are right.

Malaysia is blessed with natural resources.

If BN and BR are pro business, investors and people, I see no reason why investors should not invest in our country.

BR is preparing to do away the pro race policies, should be a good start as well.

Short term pain is better than long term regrets.

PE could be below 13x now.

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post Mar 23 2008, 08:09 PM

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It is big surprise that despite the worldwide uncertainties, investors are generally not educated to preserve their wealth.

Wealth Creation for high Network people is good provided they have set aside enough money in the wealth conservation fund first. It is very important at this point of time due to the uncertainty worldwide. Asset Allocation is also another important issue that needed to be examined further.

Also investors are perceived to understand the ( high ) risks involved . Miscalculations do happen from time to time such as sub prime issue.

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post May 1 2008, 05:41 PM

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Frankly speaking, there are a lot of limitations in investing into the local stock market.

Some of them are political in nature, government policies towards Business, Foreign Funds' perception of our market, and the quality of stocks concerned. The second board companies, many are of low quality would be soon merged ( promoted to ) with the main board.

On the other hand , it is not easy for a starter to invest directly in oversea markets. Also if you do, the capital is quite big. There could be tax on capital gain which you may not aware of and currency risk too.

Therefore, investing through unit trusts if there are potentials in oversea markets seems to be a good choice. Of course there are risks too.

Just my 2sen opinion. Not promoting unit trusts here.

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