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Anni
post Aug 22 2009, 01:17 AM

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alvinz,

check out http://www.monroecollege.edu/
my friend told me that MBA costs around 16k in monroe.it is pretty damn cheap for a master program.

It is located in NY tho. Living expenses will be alright when you stay out of NYC. Stay out of Bronx unless you like actions.
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post Aug 22 2009, 04:32 PM

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hey thanks. as far as i was surveying, i was tinking of purdue and ohio state. or could be UK? i m torn between this two places. sigh. any suggestions/comments?
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post Aug 23 2009, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(victorvandort @ Aug 22 2009, 04:32 PM)
patryn33,

hey thanks. as far as i was surveying, i was tinking of purdue and ohio state. or could be UK? i m torn between this two places. sigh. any suggestions/comments?
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I would choose Ohio State over Purdue.
as for UK.. which uni there?


Added on August 23, 2009, 5:14 am
QUOTE(Anni @ Aug 22 2009, 01:17 AM)
alvinz,

check out http://www.monroecollege.edu/
my friend told me that MBA costs around 16k in monroe.it is pretty damn cheap for a master program.

It is located in NY tho. Living expenses will be alright when you stay out of NYC. Stay out of Bronx unless you like actions.
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looks like there arealot of similar cheap deal California University of Management and Sciences, Anaheim CA.
MBA also cheap.. around US$12K for the entire 56 credits.
http://www.calums.edu/

Northwestern Polytechnic University Fremont, CA also cheap $3,780 per term.
http://www.npu.edu/admissions/fees.shtml

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post Aug 23 2009, 08:43 PM

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if UK, i would be going to hertfordshire university. any comments about that?

up till now, i'm torn between UK and US. haha.

its once in a lifetime and i really wish to experience both... but of coz i can only choose one. don't know which to choose...
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(victorvandort @ Aug 23 2009, 08:43 PM)
if UK, i would be going to hertfordshire university. any comments about that?

up till now, i'm torn between UK and US. haha.

its once in a lifetime and i really wish to experience both... but of coz i can only choose one. don't know which to choose...
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hertfordshire was a polytechnic upgraded to Uni in 1992. IIRC many considered such Uni as 3rd tier Uni.
bschool isn't that outstanding, smaller Uni 23,000 students
wanna experience Castle, watch football, European culture, only way to go! since thats your only choice.

Ohio State is a larger Uni - 52K+ students. wanna experience whats its like in a good Bschool only choice.
nothing really fun around Coulmbus, near Cedar Point can try all the fun rides! US context its "near" Niagara Falls, Chicago and Notheast cities like NYC, DC.
http://www.cedarpoint.com/

Are U planning to stay in either country for extended time (eg 2-4 weeks) after the exchange?
perhaps U have to think what U wanna do and see in both countries. If cost is a factor maybe factor it in.

have fun deciding!



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post Sep 1 2009, 02:55 PM

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hey patryn and anni,
thanks for the loads of info. seriously and really appreciated it...
sry for the late reply, been very busy lately .... totally exhausted by my work loads + stress,

my father came back malaysia last week and i had a talk with him.
he suggested Universities in California (one of my uncle is there) and in Michigan ...
plus, after some light reading, i just only found out that there is so much MBA course with concentration on Information Systems. I didnt realize that earlier, my apologies as i didnt really did my research well enough beforehand.

Monroe College seems good, is it a university or a college? any comments of the environment at Monroe other than its in NY? from their website, i am happy to see there is a course structure for IT MBA ...

California Uni seems to have just MBA and MSCIS ... i will read more about these later after working hrs ...

furthermore, this particular university caught my eyes, Michigan State University,
https://www.bus.msu.edu/itmp/masters.html

another alternative for me is take a full IS course, which is M.S.I.S @ University of San Francisco ,
http://www.cps.usfca.edu/prospective/MSIS_courses.html

welcome all helpful comments, high appreciate it. thanks alot. thank you notworthy.gif

ps: why Michigan State University caught my eyes is that they have a Doctoral program in Business Information Systems and i dream that maybe if i am able to do well in my Masters program i can continue to get the Doctoral. biggrin.gif
http://admissions.msu.edu/academics/majors...l=GR&Sort=Major [course code 6024]
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how many yrs of post degree working experience do you have?

to get into the better MBA Uni like Mich State U do need around 3-5yrs of working experience. GMAT score of around 650.
2 yrs programs, tuition fee is steep.
don't waste your time with MBA program which req less than 3yrs of experience or not found in these list.

check out Mich State profile. avg students have 4.5yrs of working experience. I don't think U have a good chance with their MBA program knowning U have not graduated from Uni.
http://broad.msu.edu/mba/fulltime/profile

today to boast their ranking, some Uni are only taking in students who will have a strong chance of getting employment easily after graduation.

The last list I had provided U are Top 20-30 Uni (can't really recall) ranked by USNEWS that are ranked highly in MIS. if U had read carefully on my old post U would have KNOWN there are plenty of MBA program with MIS as a specialsation. but without working experience U don't qualify.

which are the better Bschool can try here.
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandrevi...usiness-schools
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings/index.html

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Hi Pat and Anni, what do you guys think about Oklahoma State University?

Just sent my application letter to SUNY Buffalo, now looking other University that is cheap, my budget is around USD25K / year, and I'm having difficulties to find low cost with good education hmm.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(zs3889 @ Sep 1 2009, 10:27 PM)
Hi Pat and Anni, what do you guys think about Oklahoma State University?

Just sent my application letter to SUNY Buffalo, now looking other University that is cheap, my budget is around USD25K / year, and I'm having difficulties to find low cost with good education  hmm.gif  sweat.gif
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not pro Oklahoma State University.
cheap why not BYU? definately fit your bill IIRC.
tuition under US$10K!
http://home.byu.edu/webapp/finserve/conten...ge/Tuition.html

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Sep 1 2009, 10:41 PM)
not pro Oklahoma State University.
cheap why not BYU? definately fit your bill IIRC.
tuition under US$10K!
http://home.byu.edu/webapp/finserve/conten...ge/Tuition.html
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Hi bro, not pro you stated there means not good enough ?? lol.

Regarding the BYU, how do you know it's good?? You distinguish good or 'not pro' base on what biggrin.gif biggrin.gif ??

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QUOTE(zs3889 @ Sep 1 2009, 11:00 PM)
Hi bro, not pro you stated there means not good enough ?? lol.

Regarding the BYU, how do you know it's good?? You distinguish good or 'not pro' base on what  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  ??
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IIRC U are doing chem.
at least by rep, BYU is a tier 2 Uni (today system its tier 1) vs OSU a tier 3 Uni.
not to mention BYU is certainly cheaper than OSU 1 yr at least US$17K in fees. its like US$7K difference.
cost avg alone is already stands out
http://bursar.okstate.edu/tuition.html

grad program certainly not a fair guide. in anycase both are unranked.
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandrevi...rankings/page+4

or can look at Uni of Utah. tuition cost close to OSU.
http://www.sa.utah.edu/admiss/

try OSU maybe can look at Uni of Huston also faily low. tuition US$14K+.
almost the same level I think.. but location wise I think TX is better, think of the industry there, oil etc.. U looking for a job may not have to move far to find.
http://www.uh.edu/financial/undergraduate/...-fees/index.php

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post Sep 3 2009, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Sep 1 2009, 10:25 PM)
how many yrs of post degree working experience do you have?

to get into the better MBA Uni like Mich State U do need around 3-5yrs of working experience. GMAT score of around 650.
2 yrs programs, tuition fee is steep.
don't waste your time with MBA program which req less than 3yrs of experience or not found in these list.

check out Mich State profile. avg students have 4.5yrs of working experience. I don't think U have a good chance with their MBA program knowning U have not graduated from Uni.
http://broad.msu.edu/mba/fulltime/profile

today to boast their ranking, some Uni are only taking in students who will have a strong chance of getting employment easily after graduation.

The last list I had provided U are Top 20-30 Uni (can't really recall) ranked by USNEWS that are ranked highly in MIS. if U had read carefully on my old post U would have KNOWN there are plenty of MBA program with MIS as a specialsation. but without working experience U don't qualify.

which are the better Bschool can try here.
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandrevi...usiness-schools
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings/index.html
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Hey patryn,
Seems that MBA is totally out as i don have much working experience other than my 6 months industrial training.
Scanned through ur given info at the previous page, seems that some Uni needs working experience as an admission req, which i dont much qualify. Furthermore, is GMAT is must? .. as i read some Uni states that only MBA related courses need GMAT but if i am aiming for MScIS with concentration on MBA modules or Management related modules, do i need GMAT? (some uni didnt state that out, i am somewhat confused as their education system r different from M'sia).

Nonetheless, i narrowed down some searches to Georgia State Uni, Uni of Illinois, Uni of Arizona ...

What should i do now? ... email the respective uni for more information? .. how do i apply? ... is US edu system similar to UK which apply through UCAS?

sry as more and more questions arise and thank you for replying me .. notworthy.gif
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post Sep 3 2009, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(alvinz @ Sep 3 2009, 12:32 PM)
Hey patryn,
Seems that MBA is totally out as i don have much working experience other than my 6 months industrial training.
Scanned through ur given info at the previous page, seems that some Uni needs working experience as an admission req, which i dont much qualify. Furthermore, is GMAT is must? .. as i read some Uni states that only MBA related courses need GMAT but if i am aiming for MScIS with concentration on MBA modules or Management related modules, do i need GMAT? (some uni didnt state that out, i am somewhat confused as their education system r different from M'sia).

Nonetheless, i narrowed down some searches to Georgia State Uni, Uni of Illinois, Uni of Arizona ...

What should i do now? ... email the respective uni for more information? .. how do i apply? ... is US edu system similar to UK which apply through UCAS?

sry as more and more questions arise and thank you for replying me ..  notworthy.gif
US don't have a central system like UK. U got to apply individually to each Uni. U got me puzzled, MIS major should be tech savy to figure that out.
All info are avail online. Most Uni would like U to apply online and submit supporting docs.

MOST if not ALL Biz school Graduate programs REQUIRE GMAT, irregardless its a MBA, MS etc.
if U are not going to Biz programs they do need GRE. no matter what its some kinda of standardize exams.

which Uni didn't state it?
as for the Uni U had stated
- Georgia State Uni
http://www2.cis.gsu.edu/cis/program/mscis.asp
http://robinson.gsu.edu/prospective/components/index.html
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The Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT) is the primary admission test for admission at the master's level in the Robinson College of Business.

http://robinson.gsu.edu/academic/gass/faqs...ex.html#profile
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• Average Total GMAT Score of Accepted Degree Seeking Students
Non-MBA - 609 
• Average Undergraduate GPA of Accepted Degree Seeking Students
Non-MBA- 3.4
- Uni of Arizona, Eller ( http://mis.eller.arizona.edu/masters/ )
http://mis.eller.arizona.edu/partnering/profiles/masters.asp
http://mis.eller.arizona.edu/masters/admis...equirements.asp
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Official GMAT or GRE scores
- UiUChttp://www.ms-tech.uiuc.edu/prospective/admissions.html
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Admission decisions are made by a faculty committee and are based on:
- work experience
- previous academic accomplishments
- demonstrated potential for graduate and professional success
- references and test scores

Requirements
- Completion of a bachelor's degree or the equivalent with a 'B' or better grade point average (3.0 on 4.0 scale) from an accredited college in the United States or a recognized institution of higher learning outside the United States
- A minimum TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language) score of 550 paper-based, 213 computer-based or 103 iBT
- Two years of full time work experience is strongly preferred; however, candidates with a combination of work experience (less than two years) and a relevant undergraduate degree are also encouraged to apply.

You will note that the MS in Technology Management Program does not require the GMAT. Because the program is designed for experienced managers, the length and nature of work experience is an important criterion for admission. If, however, an applicant has taken the GMAT and wishes to submit the scores with his/her application, the scores will be taken into account during the application review process. This will be particularly useful for applicants who have recently graduated and thus have limited work experience.
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post Sep 5 2009, 10:46 PM

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is SAT & TOEFL a must in order to enter into US Universities(the more well-known ones)?
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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 5 2009, 10:46 PM)
is SAT & TOEFL a must in order to enter into US Universities(the more well-known ones)?
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transfer or freshman?

whats your term by more well known ones?
Not Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Ivy?
but the rest like UCLA, Uni of Virginal, Williams college? or?

for basics TOEFL can be waive if U can score a certain grade on SAT verbal.
most better Uni do require TWO SAT 2 subject test on top of SAT.
They do require great admission essay, great recommendation letters, and great extracurricular activities, community involvement etc.

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Sep 3 2009, 09:29 PM)
US don't have a central system like UK. U got to apply individually to each Uni. U got me puzzled, MIS major should be tech savy to figure that out.
All info are avail online. Most Uni would like U to apply online and submit supporting docs.

MOST if not ALL Biz school Graduate programs REQUIRE GMAT, irregardless its a MBA, MS etc.
if U are not going to Biz programs they do need GRE. no matter what its some kinda of standardize exams.

which Uni didn't state it?
as for the Uni U had stated
- Georgia State Uni
http://www2.cis.gsu.edu/cis/program/mscis.asp
http://robinson.gsu.edu/prospective/components/index.html

http://robinson.gsu.edu/academic/gass/faqs...ex.html#profile

- Uni of Arizona, Eller ( http://mis.eller.arizona.edu/masters/ )
http://mis.eller.arizona.edu/partnering/profiles/masters.asp
http://mis.eller.arizona.edu/masters/admis...equirements.asp

- UiUChttp://www.ms-tech.uiuc.edu/prospective/admissions.html
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oh my .. faint .... shocking.gif
after all this, i think my idea of getting into Fall 2010's admission will be impossible ... since GMAT does need some time to study and prepare...

thanks for all the info, now i am at least equiped with the minimum details notworthy.gif ...
will be going for the US Edu fair at 6th Oct ... although those Uni that i 'chose' wasnt one of the participant ...
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QUOTE(alvinz @ Sep 5 2009, 11:54 PM)
oh my .. faint ....  shocking.gif
after all this, i think my idea of getting into Fall 2010's admission will be impossible ... since GMAT does need some time to study and prepare...

thanks for all the info, now i am at least equiped with the minimum details notworthy.gif ...
will be going for the US Edu fair at 6th Oct ... although those Uni that i 'chose' wasnt one of the participant ...
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U still have some time, deadline is like Jan 2010. U can start now, to some its an easy exam study 1 mth can go and take, others spend a good 6-12mths on it and retake 2-3 times.

start on it and see how U handle, U never know, U might make it!


Added on September 6, 2009, 1:12 amTo those wondering what Edu fair its the below

Fair Date
Tuesday, 6 October 2009

Fair Time
5:00-8:00pm

Location
JW Marriott Hotel
183 Jalan Bukit Bintang
Kuala Lumpur, 55100 Malaysia
Tel: 60 3 2715-9000
Fax: 60 3 2715-7000

http://www.lindentours.com/?page=85&id=10
partial list of partipating Uni

University at Buffalo, The State University of New York www.buffalo.edu
Calvin College www.calvin.edu/international
Clarkson University www.clarkson.edu
University of Denver www.du.edu
Emerson College www.emerson.edu
Indiana University - Bloomington www.admit.indiana.edu
Iowa State University of Science and Technology www.iastate.edu
The University of Iowa www.uiowa.edu
Loyola Marymount University info.lmu.edu/international
Marist College www.marist.edu
University of Minnesota www.umn.edu
The Ohio State University www.osu.edu
New York University, Tisch School of the Arts www.tischasia.nyu.edu.sg
Academy of Art University www.academyart.edu
Albion College www.albion.edu
Rutgers University, The State University of New York www.rutgers.edu

Scholarships offered by LAC to International students

Calvin College
http://www.calvin.edu/prospective/place/international/paying
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Academic scholarships ($1,000-$10,000) are awarded as part of the admission process.

On-campus Jobs

International students are expected to work on-campus while at Calvin, and these wages are also factored in to Calvin's potential funding of the student's education.
Students can earn $2,000-$3,500 working on campus for 10-15 hours per week during the school year and full-time during the summer.
Students granted an F-1 Visa may work up to 20 hours per week on campus during the school year and full-time during vacation periods.
Albion College
http://www2.albion.edu/admission/admission...ial-aid-article
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Few colleges and universities in the United States provide financial support to international students. International students often receive scholarships to Albion College, although our policies limit the maximum scholarship for international students to 50% of the total cost.

Students who demonstrate the highest academic potential and bring significant co-curricular interests to our campus will receive the greatest consideration for these awards. In awarding scholarships, Albion College also considers an applicant's financial need upon review of the application, as well as other requirements.

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Sep 6 2009, 01:00 AM)
U still have some time, deadline is like Jan 2010. U can start now, to some its an easy exam study 1 mth can go and take, others spend a good 6-12mths on it and retake 2-3 times.

start on it and see how U handle, U never know, U might make it!


Added on September 6, 2009, 1:12 amTo those wondering what Edu fair its the below

Fair Date
Tuesday, 6 October 2009

Fair Time
5:00-8:00pm

Location
JW Marriott Hotel
183 Jalan Bukit Bintang
Kuala Lumpur, 55100 Malaysia
Tel: 60 3 2715-9000
Fax: 60 3 2715-7000

http://www.lindentours.com/?page=85&id=10
partial list of partipating Uni

University at Buffalo, The State University of New York www.buffalo.edu
Calvin College www.calvin.edu/international
Clarkson University www.clarkson.edu
University of Denver www.du.edu
Emerson College www.emerson.edu
Indiana University - Bloomington www.admit.indiana.edu
Iowa State University of Science and Technology www.iastate.edu
The University of Iowa www.uiowa.edu
Loyola Marymount University info.lmu.edu/international
Marist College www.marist.edu
University of Minnesota www.umn.edu
The Ohio State University www.osu.edu
New York University, Tisch School of the Arts www.tischasia.nyu.edu.sg
Academy of Art University www.academyart.edu
Albion College www.albion.edu
Rutgers University, The State University of New York www.rutgers.edu

Scholarships offered by LAC to International students

Calvin College
http://www.calvin.edu/prospective/place/international/paying
Albion College
http://www2.albion.edu/admission/admission...ial-aid-article
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@ Sarah0925,
a few of the Uni coming here are pretty strong in Accounting.
eg
- Indiana University - Bloomington
- The Ohio State University
- The University of Iowa

unfortunately, out of these 3 Uni only Uni of Iowa has optiona SAT requirement. should U seek scholarship U can submit that
http://www.uiowa.edu/admissions/undergrad/.../intl-apply.htm

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how does an adp stands over diploma ?
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ADP is a transfer program, which only means that you do two years of classes locally and then transfer overseas to finish off the rest of your degree.
A diploma is a more indirect and cheaper way towards your degree.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

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ADP is a transfer program, which only means that you do two years of classes locally and then transfer overseas to finish off the rest of your degree.
A diploma is a more indirect and cheaper way towards your degree.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
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oh then which is higher ? adp or diploma ?

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