English Clubs Chelsea FC 2014/15 BPL Champion V36, BPL - Everton v Chelsea 7.40pm #810
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 Aug 18 2015, 05:34 PM
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Lel, JT and Zouma? Seriously?
Have you guys even been watching? I've said last season JT is way past his prime, I'm surprised he's still even starting. Now it really shows. |
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Aug 18 2015, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(gry @ Aug 18 2015, 05:50 PM) So u talking about last season? JT some more? Haha funny What's funny is 3 past your defence without a reply, and 5 in the past 2 games. I was surprised JT made it through last season without much criticism, maybe the opposition was weak or whatever. But it's clear to see, when Chelsea plays well nobody bothers with JT. But when they play badly, JT's deficiencies are laid bare to see. I'm not saying he's a bad defender, he's very consistent and strategically sound. Problem is he's VERY slow and when exposed by unpredictable attackers, there's no plan B. |
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Aug 18 2015, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Aug 18 2015, 10:50 PM) Looks like zouma gonna feature much much more this season... Zouma is quite good isn't he, he's not an International for no reason. But still needs an experienced defender to cover his lack of tactical nous, there's just something missing from his play that makes him lack being suitable for the Chelsea defence. I'd say he has potential to be maybe 75-80/100, 100 being a perfect defender a la Cannavaro 06. |
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Aug 18 2015, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(froggyx @ Aug 18 2015, 09:34 PM) They are milking us dry because they know we have a big hole to fill in defence. It's not milking Chelsea dry, it's the fact Martinez is building a team and Stones is the future of Everton. Not a question of how much is offered, but if we can get a replacement defender with the same potential for the price being offered then maybe. But then how many young English centrebacks are available? Caulker? |
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Aug 18 2015, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Aug 18 2015, 11:25 PM) JT memang not known for his pace. JT is known for his defensive positioning, putting any part of his body in line to block the shot. Holgate isn't even ready for anything close to Premier League duh. It isn't a "replacement", more like a plan for the future. Don't Daily Mail can?JT + Cahill this combo memang prone to pacey striker. Since last season we can see dy, which is why the reason Cahill was chopped and Zouma started a few games. Hint hint, the 5-3 lost against Spurs last season. JT + Cahill is too alike imho, that's why either 1 pair with Zouma will be juz nice. But so far, I'm inclining on JT + Zouma partnership. Partly due to JT's leadership on the field. Btw to the Everton fans, Martinez dy signed Stones replacement. Mason Holgate. Pls gugel cikit.  Aside from that, it's true Cahill is very similar to JT. And one can argue JT has more merit to start due to Cahill's occasional lapse of judgements. But then physically still think Cahill is a touch above JT. It's up for debate. But what's unquestionable is Chelsea should have prepared a proper, world class centreback since last season. Did Mou suddenly realize that "oh yeah, those two are getting on a bit". |
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Aug 18 2015, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(froggyx @ Aug 18 2015, 11:46 PM) Sorry but i do not agree to that. Because there are report they are holding out for close to £40m before agreeing. If they really do think that stones is the future. They will not be report like that at all. But the truth is they never officially say that stonea are not for sale? Martinez has the final say in transfers, I believe Big Bill trusts him in as much. There might be a hint of truth, that they're holding out. But quite unlikely with all the TV cash coming in I think, we're not as desperate as before. And it's really hard to find a proper English centreback that holds true to the Everton essence.Only martinez is saying that. But i do understand where u are coming from.. Maybe they do really dont wanna sell. If that is true we sgould be looking at other option. I heard Godin is decent, don't you think?  |
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Aug 18 2015, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Aug 18 2015, 11:29 PM) i dont mind Gmann. can play him AMC to fight spot with Oscar. can swap around also. but hope we can get him for cheaper.. Always thought of Gman as a more refined, yet physical Schurlle. A very fine player, will inject directness into any side. lacazette maybe not. |
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Aug 19 2015, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Aug 19 2015, 12:06 PM) we need a striker who is hardworking, not complaining on the pitch and yet to score goals Your criticism of Costa is unwarranted. It's always been part of his game to "complain", sulking around the pitch looking frustrated at everything and trying to rile up the opponents. But when it comes to being a striker, he's up there with the best. Problem at the moment is hardly the strikers, how do you expect him to do anything when he's isolated up there on his own with no supply?dc - becomes sissy and sissy, always complaint like a women falcao - hardworking but not yet open his score sheet remy - 3rd striker, only make impact as a sub An interesting thought, but with the talk on the defence and Costa's "lack of goals" what if the problem is actually with Fabregas? That moving Fabregas alongside Matic is a mistake? After the Charity Shield, there were talks that Chelsea's lack of creativity stems from Fabregas being too high up the pitch. That he's a player that should play deeper to be able to "read" the game better and influence it. So we have Mourinho moving him beside Matic, and what has this caused? A lack of cover for the defence, since Fabregas's tactical understanding of defending is next to none. He isn't performing what he does best as well in this position. So there's "analysis" in the papers for the case of moving him further up. Again. I should say the problem is actually with Cesc, he's probably lost his form and he isn't getting any younger as well. Chelsea do need a creative player who can pull strings from the middle of the park, much like Fabregas at his peak. But doesn't seem to be in the market for one. In my FIFA team, I've noticed this "error" as well, that when you put Fabregas alongside Matic defensive cover would be stretched and pacy wingers or forwards can slot between the spaces and create chances. So the solution was to put Ake (since at loan) alongside Matic and Fabregas further up in a central midfield role behind 2 roving attacking midfielders in Hazard/Cuadrado and Willian/Oscar. Of course it's just a game with faulty AI, but it does poses interesting questions as to the potential. Costa drops back from time to time to cover the space in the middle, with Hazard/Oscar making probing runs forward. Azpilicueta and Ivanovic makes runs up the wings, with Matic and Ake covering. That way, Fabregas doesn't really have to be mobile in his game and just stay in the center, creating chances with passes and linking up play between the midfield and the defence. Just a fun thought. |
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Aug 19 2015, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Aug 19 2015, 03:19 PM) yes, this is one of the most annoying thing about our attacking. get ball, counter attack, reach opponent final third, suddenly switch to tiki taka. pass around until we lose possession and scramble to defend. And the problem still comes back to...Fabregas. He's undeniably off form. Whether due to age, or just temporary who knows. But it's crucial to reinforce in his position if Chelsea are to challenge for anything. haven't seen a fabregas - costa goal in ages. Solution could be Griezmann, not to replace Cesc but to inject more urgency into the attack and pull opposition defenders away and create space. And a proper visionary in the team to replace Fabregas in the near future. |
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Aug 19 2015, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Aug 19 2015, 03:08 PM) off form players - Iva, Hazard, Costa this 3 players are having a terrible start this season. Why Always Costa.criticism - you need to understand mou system first before start bashing the team - we attack and defend as a unit. The problem isn't the strikers, it's the midfield. And I think it's pretty obvious Cesc is the one who's the weak link at the moment. You said yourself, Chelsea functions as a unit. And with this latest move to the thing you call "pivot", it's clear a cog has fallen off the machine. A Fabregas shaped cog. Leading to the other problems, mostly defensive. |
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Aug 19 2015, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Aug 19 2015, 08:02 PM) I say this is a revenge by Martinez and co. Rmb we sold Lukaku to them for 28M? He is coming into his own though, first season syndrome over. So quite a decent price I think, if he scores anything over 20 goals a season worth it. Anyways, it's too early for anything. I remember Chelsea costing me lots of fantasy points early last season as well, it takes a bit of time for them old men to get into gear. |
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Aug 19 2015, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Aug 19 2015, 08:48 PM) nope to be fair your point on Cesc is good but still Costa movement as striker is terrible compared with last season..he drop too deep and drift wide, leaving no one in the middle of the box to poach or receive the ball..that is the reason why there was no good thru pass and lob pass..plus now he prefer to fall and ask for ref sympathy rayher than stand and fight for the ball. Funnily, that's what he does in my FIFA team. Always lurking somewhere in midfield lol, nobody to pass to in front. But still scoring a decent rate, pops up in the box when you least expect it.Costa still my top pick as striker, he just need to be more central and fight for the ball. That's where Remy and Falcao comes in probably. Mourinho does have a plan. Maybe he's deliberately "experimenting" and losing so that he'll get the purse strings loosened. Never know with that man. |
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Aug 21 2015, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Aug 21 2015, 06:45 PM) cannot tahan sleep gua 1 more week. cold, back pain, cannot eat. Good luck, will be an interesting game. Chelsea never won there since 2011.must win game at West Brom away! |
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Aug 21 2015, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Aug 21 2015, 09:12 PM) my kuku in kambing. sunday match confirm chelsea beat west brom. if not i cut my kuku niau. Lol, this is going to be legendary man.I say 1-1, for their worst start of a season since yonks. Then Chelsea would probably catch up around end of October. |
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Aug 22 2015, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Aug 22 2015, 06:14 PM) John Stones should stay at Everton, not move to Chelsea - Romelu Lukaku Why angry? What he said is true isn't it? Lukaku is right, I don't think Chelsea would be good for Stones' development as well. He might be the next big thing now but a year on the bench, probably end up the new Cuadrado. If Chelsea are insistent, I'd say 40m plus a year or two's loan back with no option for recall. Let him develop, then when he's ready slot him in straight to replace Cahill/Terry.http://www.espnfcasia.com/story/2574798/st...-chelsea-lukaku  |
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Aug 22 2015, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE(hakbu @ Aug 22 2015, 06:27 PM) Gimme a puff bro... Lukaku trying to stay relevant? Seriously, what's wrong with some of you so-called "fans"? Just because he left you you get all bitter about it and call names. He's 22 years old, yet to come into his peak. How many goals has he scored this season? How many has Costa? So if Costa says something this week he's "trying to stay relevant"? And Jose has been "trying to stay relevant" for the past few weeks? Red dot in gua... Lukaku trying to stay relevant zzz Have some sportsmanship, there's more to football than your wannabe "loyalty". You weren't born a stone's throw from Stamford bridge I wager. |
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Aug 22 2015, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Aug 22 2015, 07:35 PM) It might be true if it was a midfielder or striker... Hai kucing!But chelsea rarely waste a good defender.... Look at Azpilicueta now... a few years back i thought he will be wasted on the bench... now hes as good or even better than ashley cole... Cough *Filipe* *Ake* cough. You're right about Azpilicueta, but then he's a proven defender when he came to Chelsea. A lot of top flight experience. Stones however, I just don't feel he's ready to slot into this Chelsea side just as yet. He makes quite a lot of mistakes in his game, you can see that almost every game. And Chelsea simply has no room for defenders making mistakes in the first 11. I'd say give it a few years maybe. Of course ic3aaron could be right, he could stand to learn a lot from the likes of Terry etc., but at this stage of his career I'd say he will learn more given consistent starts and playing experience. Just too early for a Chelsea move. Will hate to see a talent wasted just because of an early move. We've had quite a lot of those. Look at Rodwell now. |
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Aug 22 2015, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Aug 22 2015, 09:42 PM) Willian vs Oscar for CAM. Willian not really a proper winger for me anyways. good thing is all of them can swap around when needed. defenders will have a hard time. Yes, a reminder for ngkhanmein. Kukuniao shall hereforth refer to your penis. Please sign bottom corner, thx.Chelsea have to win.. if not ur kuku niau fly away |
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Aug 23 2015, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE(chitchat @ Aug 23 2015, 12:04 AM) why so serious !? (joker voice) You do realize Chelsea are notorious for doing that. Don't kid yourself. Chelsea not willing to pay for bench warmers? Youth? Really? Hahaha! I think you're a bit confused, the club you support is not United or Southampton or whoever. Does the name Cuadrado ring any bells? Or de Bruyne? etc. etc. well is true that STONE will get more playing time staying in EVERTON but whether he will develop to be a top class defender there or not is still an unknown. There is a saying if u want to be the best, u have to play and learn from the best. Will he be a legend or sold as bench warmer later at CHELSEA is also an unknown, but if we willing to pay that amount of money means the club have faith in his potential, CHELSEA will be silly to pay 30m just for someone to fill quota or warm bench, we have plenty of youth that fit that bill so if he cant reach the potential the club have hope then dont blame the club if he end up warming the bench. TERRY is old, that place is definitely up for grab, no top team will buy a player so young and play him straight away on such an important position, so is either u come early and learn from the best and earn your place through the trust of your manager and teammate, or u stay at EVERTON and become a top class defender and join a top team first 11 maybe at the age of 25 years old ? but by that age will he be P.JAGIELKA or J.TERRY ? will a top team come in if he is not J.TERRY quality ? but coming from LUKAKU mouth is even worse, if RM come for him, u think he will stay at EVERTON ? he will go definitely throw a transfer request and go RM warm bench and fight for his place there. He have made it clear that EVERTON is just a stepping stone for him, but will he develop to be a world class striker at EVERTON that eventually big club will come calling then we will have to see. I've already made my point. Stones is not ready to be first eleven for Chelsea, can you say really he is anywhere near JT or even Cahill's level? And keeping him on the bench at such a crucial stage of his career can't be good for his development. You think he'll learn more by sitting and watching Terry play week in week out, with an occasional pat on the head by Mou? Ask Ake. Ask Zouma. Most importantly, ask Lukaku. He's been there, done that. Now we're beginning to see him blossom into the player he always could be. And the point is, he can never do that at Chelsea. Maybe you can buy him back for 65m when he's consistently 25 goal/season player ok? You're just bitter you sold youth and potential to us, and all you got was a crocked fraud from United and a semi-decent Frenchman.  So really, don't mimpi la bro. When was the last time youth has broken through at Chelsea. We all know Mourinho prefers proven and tested performers, there is no margin for error and risk taking at a club like Chelsea. And you talk as if playing at Everton it's doubtful he can be top class defender or whatever. Now I know you're one of those "only 4 teams in the league" type of supporter. Glorygrabber. I dare say on our day our defence is better than any in the league. Coleman. Jagielka. Stones. Baines. Need I say more? |
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Aug 23 2015, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Aug 23 2015, 01:29 AM) Kecian la itik 😣 Meh, no risau man. Used to these kind of "supporters" already. Konon support, but more like cult. They so desperate people see them as Chelsea supporter they go tattoo lion on their forehead la. I know very well who I support, no need to be badge kisser. Doesn't mean I can't admire other clubs or give credit where it's due as well.Its okay to have differing opinion to debate from time to time... If not this thread kinda boring Briantwj, you still bitter I called your man-love Terry out kah? Don't like that lah. You know Everton thread is dead. And I quite like Mourinho, it's fascinating to watch his tactics at play. |
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