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post Aug 12 2015, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 12 2015, 06:40 PM)
Apart from high-speed cruising, do you often or usually do hard acceleration ie. stepping hard on the accelerator with high RPMS up to 4000, or the RPMs are kept at around 3000 or lower during acceleration?
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Oh much lower. Around 2000+ RPM only normally. Does this have a long term effect on the CVT?
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post Aug 12 2015, 08:29 PM

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Was there a recall for preve due to strong vibration?

After changing the gearbox. Now the car have a strong vibrating sensation when no throttle is applied

I saw a blog post saying that there was a recall but no further details available
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Aug 12 2015, 08:29 PM)
Was there a recall for preve due to strong vibration?

After changing the gearbox. Now the car have a strong vibrating sensation when no throttle is applied

I saw a blog post saying that there was a recall but no further details available
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No need to wait for recall. You can claim the faulty mounting at SC.
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QUOTE(3nDx @ Aug 12 2015, 07:08 PM)
Oh much lower. Around 2000+ RPM only normally. Does this have a long term effect on the CVT?
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So, you don't do hard acceleration and only do high speed cruising up to 170km/h with your car. If that's the case, then it is only high speed cruising that may be one possibility that has led to the transmission problem of your car. Just a guess, as it can be due to other causes and not high speed cruising.

I am trying to pin-point the possible causes to the CVT giving problems, whether it is due to constant abuse (frequent hard acceleration at high RPMs), frequent high speed cruising >150km/h or something else, whether it is a mechanical fault or defect of the CVT. At any rate, I do feel that the CVT the Preve Turbo isn't too robust or reliable if subject to frequent (or maybe occasional) hard acceleration or high speed cruising at high RPMs. I may be proven wrong as other owners who frequently do hard acceleration or high speed cruising may not encounter any problems with the transmission of the car.

In the earlier days, I used to do hard acceleration on the car quite frequently with RPMs above 4,000. I am thinking this action may be one possible causes of the sound of the transmission getting louder by the months, and also the occasional loud "woo woo" sound after a bout of high speed cruising.

As for your question whether hard acceleration will have long-term effect on the CVT, I do think there will be, judging from the performance of the transmission just below 3 years. I have refrained from doing hard acceleration on the car since earlier this year due to the behavior of the CVT which seems to show that it isn't too resilient when being pushed hard.
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I am curious to know if there are any Preve Turbo owners who often do frequent or occasional hard acceleration and high speed cruising on the car and did not experience any peculiar behavior with the CVT.

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post Aug 12 2015, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 12 2015, 10:10 PM)
I am curious to know if there are any Preve Turbo owners who often do frequent or occasional hard acceleration and high speed cruising on the car and did not experience any peculiar behavior with the CVT.
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My car is soon to be 2 years. Last few months, everyday without fail, I do full throttle accelerations. Nothing peculiar yet, but I do see the behavior that the first cool down, the RPM is high with loose feeling (because of higher RPM even at slow speed) upon first re-acceleration.
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Aug 12 2015, 10:48 PM)
My car is soon to be 2 years. Last few months, everyday without fail, I do full throttle accelerations. Nothing peculiar yet, but I do see the behavior that the first cool down, the RPM is high with loose feeling (because of higher RPM even at slow speed) upon first re-acceleration.
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Thanks for the information. Full throttle acceleration, I am presuming you have stepped on the pedal all the way to the bottom with RPMs likely above 4000, perhaps close to 5000.

Everyday without fail? It looks like you are a lot wilder than me when it comes to doing hard acceleration.
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Aug 12 2015, 11:57 AM)
Some people seem to have this issue of cooling. I never held mine at high speed for too long, maximum also 190km/h for 1-2KM stretch, so I never got this overheating. Should you try to ensure that your radiator and transmission cooler are all clean and not blocked by road debris? Lol.

This problem is common among CVT cars, not just Preve, especially if you're using Mitsubishi Lancer. The same goes for Inspira, but Proton has already improved the Inspira's CVT cooling system.
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Low battery sign could be false positive. Reduced CCA could have raised it more easily but since the battery is new, you should able to use it.

The shop probably won't be able to change for you without charging you.

Could it have been hard to start due to other issue such as dirty throttle body?
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inspira no problem...200km/h all the way shah alam-klia...
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 12 2015, 10:53 PM)
Thanks for the information. Full throttle acceleration, I am presuming you have stepped on the pedal all the way to the bottom with RPMs likely above 4000, perhaps close to 5000.

Everyday without fail? It looks like you are a lot wilder than me when it comes to doing hard acceleration.
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All the way to 5500 RPM. And aggressive downshifting using manual mode.

When I see the roads are empty, I just give it an "Italian tune-up". When traffic is there, I drive modestly, sometimes even with cruise control only.
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QUOTE(waiora_protuner @ Aug 12 2015, 10:57 PM)
inspira no problem...200km/h all the way shah alam-klia...
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hold 230kph from KL to Singapore in an hour 30mins, even manual gear box also fuckup laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 12 2015, 11:50 PM)
hold 230kph from KL to Singapore in an hour 30mins, even manual gear box also fuckup laugh.gif
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wahhh...perfectly calculated la speed and time...

can the fuel tank last?
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QUOTE(waiora_protuner @ Aug 13 2015, 12:11 AM)
wahhh...perfectly calculated la speed and time...

can the fuel tank last?
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59 liters, more than enough.
i still pump before entering singapore so i don't risk going low and requiring to pump in SGD laugh.gif
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post Aug 13 2015, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Aug 12 2015, 09:15 PM)
No need to wait for recall. You can claim the faulty mounting at SC.
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thanks for the advise

QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 12 2015, 10:08 PM)
So, you don't do hard acceleration and only do high speed cruising up to 170km/h with your car. If that's the case, then it is only high speed cruising that may be one possibility that has led to the transmission problem of your car. Just a guess, as it can be due to other causes and not high speed cruising.

I am trying to pin-point the possible causes to the CVT giving problems, whether it is due to constant abuse (frequent hard acceleration at high RPMs), frequent high speed cruising >150km/h or something else, whether it is a mechanical fault or defect of the CVT. At any rate, I do feel that the CVT the Preve Turbo isn't too robust or reliable if subject to frequent (or maybe occasional) hard acceleration or high speed cruising at high RPMs. I may be proven wrong as other owners who frequently do hard acceleration or high speed cruising may not encounter any problems with the transmission of the car.

In the earlier days, I used to do hard acceleration on the car quite frequently with RPMs above 4,000. I am thinking this action may be one possible causes of the sound of the transmission getting louder by the months, and also the occasional loud "woo woo" sound after a bout of high speed cruising.

As for your question whether hard acceleration will have long-term effect on the CVT, I do think there will be, judging from the performance of the transmission just below 3 years. I have refrained from doing hard acceleration on the car since earlier this year due to the behavior of the CVT which seems to show that it isn't too resilient when being pushed hard.
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 12 2015, 10:10 PM)
I am curious to know if there are any Preve Turbo owners who often do frequent or occasional hard acceleration and high speed cruising on the car and did not experience any peculiar behavior with the CVT.
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Aug 12 2015, 10:48 PM)
My car is soon to be 2 years. Last few months, everyday without fail, I do full throttle accelerations. Nothing peculiar yet, but I do see the behavior that the first cool down, the RPM is high with loose feeling (because of higher RPM even at slow speed) upon first re-acceleration.
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FYI, my car was sent in to SC for replacing the entire gearbox after just 17 000 KM on the odometer. My parents used the car instead of me so there was definitely no "italian job" kind of driving

It is shocking to see at the damansara mutiara workshop a few cars with about the same registration plate number timing being at there for the same purpose. Had a chat with the foreman and they all came in with the same problem that is premature gearbox failure

Only had the car for 1 year and 3 months and have to change a gearbox,this gotta be a personal best record for me. Personally after the 5 year warranty is over,i will dispose of this car since i am terribly concern about another round of gearbox failure

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QUOTE(waiora_protuner @ Aug 13 2015, 12:11 AM)
wahhh...perfectly calculated la speed and time...

can the fuel tank last?
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this is what happened to the gear oil

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 13 2015, 12:20 AM)
this is what happened to the gear oil

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altough i was in thermal fluid course, i dont understand that...
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QUOTE(waiora_protuner @ Aug 13 2015, 12:26 AM)
altough i was in thermal fluid course, i dont understand that...
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it looks more like water than gear oil lol
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 13 2015, 12:31 AM)
it looks more like water than gear oil lol
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ahhh....there's a term for that..

oil shearing...become cair...
gearbox still ok? good la redline...
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QUOTE(waiora_protuner @ Aug 13 2015, 12:39 AM)
ahhh....there's a term for that..

oil shearing...become cair...
gearbox still ok? good la redline...
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Yes correct lol.

And ya gearbox still ok
Got uoa on video description (view it on youtube.com)
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post Aug 13 2015, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Aug 12 2015, 11:20 PM)
All the way to 5500 RPM. And aggressive downshifting using manual mode.

When I see the roads are empty, I just give it an "Italian tune-up". When traffic is there, I drive modestly, sometimes even with cruise control only.
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Aug 13 2015, 12:19 AM)
thanks for the advise
FYI, my car was sent in to SC for replacing the entire gearbox after just 17 000 KM on the odometer. My parents used the car instead of me so there was definitely no "italian job" kind of driving

It is shocking to see at the damansara mutiara workshop a few cars with about the same registration plate number  timing  being at there for the same purpose. Had a chat with the foreman and they all came in with the same problem that is premature gearbox failure

Only had the car for 1 year and 3 months and have to change a gearbox,this gotta be a personal best record for me. Personally after the 5 year warranty is over,i will dispose of this car since i am terribly concern about another round of gearbox failure
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An update. I sent my car for servicing this morning and lodged a complaint on the transmission giving a weird and loud sound. Upon inspection, it was found that the entire gearbox needs to be replaced with a new one. I asked the service guy who checked my car on the possible causes of the damaged gearbox and he did not have a definitive answer. I guess it is a case of a defective or faulty gearbox.

I need to leave the car at the service centre for about 1 week and no replacement car is available at the moment. The spare part (gearbox) is currently not available at the service centre. They will need to submit a report before the gearbox is delivered to the service centre to have it fixed on the car and tested.

Idunnolol - despite your parents driving the car gently the gearbox still needed to be replaced at 17,000km, it looks like driving style and pattern (as in hard driving/acceleration) may not be the primary factor in contributing to the damaged gearbox. It may be more to the quality of the gearbox that has affected the earlier batches of the car. Not too sure if the later Preve models year 2014 upwards with the improved gearbox are affected.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Aug 13 2015, 02:25 PM
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post Aug 13 2015, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 13 2015, 02:24 PM)
An update. I sent my car for servicing this morning and lodged a complaint on the transmission giving a weird and loud sound. Upon inspection, it was found that the entire gearbox needs to be replaced with a new one. I asked the service guy who checked my car on the possible causes of the damaged gearbox and he did not have a definitive answer. I guess it is a case of a defective or faulty gearbox.

I need to leave the car at the service centre for about 1 week and no replacement car is available at the moment. The spare part (gearbox) is currently not available at the service centre. They will need to submit a report before the gearbox is delivered to the service centre to have it fixed on the car and tested.

Idunnolol - despite your parents driving the car gently the gearbox still needed to be replaced at 17,000km,  it looks like driving style and pattern (as in hard driving/acceleration) may not be the primary factor in contributing to the damaged gearbox. It may be more to the quality of the gearbox that has affected the earlier batches of the car. Not too sure if the later Preve models year 2014 upwards with the improved gearbox are affected.
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Which service centre you sent to? It took about 2 weeks to replace my gearbox. They have to test everything 1 by 1 at the sc before proton send the new gearbox to them

My car was made in January 2014 so definitely the 2014 batch is still having issues


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