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 4G1X / 4G18 compatibility, Crossing parts between these engine type

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TSGoldenHawk
post Nov 13 2006, 03:38 PM, updated 20y ago

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G'day!

OK, just a quick question.

Can parts (head, pistons, etc.) from a 4G18 engine (Waja) be brought over to older engines, such as 4G15 & 4G13?
I was just wondering as parts between 4G15 & 4G13 are cross-compatible. Since a Waja's 4G18 is also within the 4G1X range, I just wanted to know if these parts can be mixed & matched.

The differences are obvious, but I'm asking nevertheless tongue.gif

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post Nov 13 2006, 03:52 PM

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dun think it's possible as cc might be different plus the engine design also different, there might be some small part which r same but it's not as good as getting from same engine
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post Nov 13 2006, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(GoldenHawk @ Nov 13 2006, 03:38 PM)
G'day!

OK, just a quick question.

Can parts (head, pistons, etc.) from a 4G18 engine (Waja) be brought over to older engines, such as 4G15 & 4G13?
I was just wondering as parts between 4G15 & 4G13 are cross-compatible. Since a Waja's 4G18 is also within the 4G1X range, I just wanted to know if these parts can be mixed & matched.

The differences are obvious, but I'm asking nevertheless tongue.gif

Thanks guys! icon_rolleyes.gif
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The only similarities between the 4G1X engines is the fact that they are 4G.. 4 cylinder and runs on gasoline. So it should be 4GXX because the 4G1X does not share that many parts

Furthermore, the 4G18 engine is based on the post 96 lancer design, meaning the engine is rotated 180 degrees with the timing belt on the driver side. It almost has no similarity with the rest of the 4G1X family...

Think of it this way.. you have 6 children.. all with black hair and black eyes and they are all part of the 4G1X family.. while the 4G18 child would have blond hair and blue eyes.. laugh.gif
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post Nov 13 2006, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Nov 13 2006, 03:53 PM)
The only similarities between the 4G1X engines is the fact that they are 4G.. 4 cylinder and runs on gasoline. So it should be 4GXX because the 4G1X does not share that many parts

Furthermore, the 4G18 engine is based on the post 96 lancer design, meaning the engine is rotated 180 degrees with the timing belt on the driver side. It almost has no similarity with the rest of the 4G1X family...

Think of it this way.. you have 6 children.. all with black hair and black eyes and they are all part of the 4G1X family.. while the 4G18 child would have blond hair and blue eyes..  laugh.gif
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Nice way of putting it laugh.gif
Well, can I at least use the pistons from the 4G18 on the 4G15?

P.S: What's the engine class for the 1.8 Wajas? unsure.gif
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post Nov 15 2006, 04:33 AM

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fit oversized piston on 4g1x engines???>... possible??...
of course need to rebore the block first la...
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post Nov 15 2006, 07:51 AM

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the answer is .... nope
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post Nov 15 2006, 05:03 PM

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I was wondering, is the Proton Waja the first to use 4G18?
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Nov 15 2006, 05:03 PM)
I was wondering, is the Proton Waja the first to use 4G18?
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No, that engine came from the Lancer..
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post Nov 15 2006, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Nov 15 2006, 05:12 PM)
No, that engine came from the Lancer..
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Which particular generation of lancer? I knew it came with the latest 1.6 Lancer, mated to INVEC III CVT gearbox.
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post Nov 17 2006, 11:56 PM

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I'm not pretty sure the chassis codes for Lancer, but it should be the one which had different platform than Wira
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Nov 18 2006, 02:56 AM)
I'm not pretty sure the chassis codes for Lancer, but it should be the one which had different platform than Wira
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u can actually increase the cc of a 4g15 to 1.6 by using the 4g18 crank, conrods & pistons.
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what about the block height and cylinder bore size?
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post Nov 19 2006, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Nov 19 2006, 01:16 PM)
what about the block height and cylinder bore size?
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lol bro, he obviously has not done enough homework yet...
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post Nov 19 2006, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Nov 19 2006, 10:19 PM)
lol bro, he obviously has not done enough homework yet...
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definately needs a rebore, as for the block size, it remains the same. btw, have done this mod before.
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post Nov 20 2006, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(maddriver @ Nov 19 2006, 09:32 PM)
definately needs a rebore, as for the block size, it remains the same. btw, have done this mod before.
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You mean you've done this mod before?
How are the results? Good?

P.S: Dude, you've been posting quite a few [WTS] threads around. Hope you could manage them better sad.gif Your stuff is really enticing, but without pictures or testimonials, it's kinda hard for us to judge anything sad.gif Hope you don't mind the open comment notworthy.gif
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post Nov 20 2006, 11:10 PM

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no problems! if u wanna see the stuff, give me a call, no oblightions at all. i don't have a digital camera to take the shots:-( maybe if i can sell more stuff, i'll be able to afford one.

as for the mod job, i have two customers running 4g15 engines stroked to 1.6 using those waja parts. with fast road spec cams, a ported cylinder head and a piggy back ecu, we managed to get 125hp on wheels.




















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post Nov 21 2006, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(maddriver @ Nov 20 2006, 11:10 PM)
no problems! if u wanna see the stuff, give me a call, no oblightions at all. i don't have a digital camera to take the shots:-( maybe if i can sell more stuff, i'll be able to afford one.

as for the mod job, i have two customers running 4g15 engines stroked to 1.6 using those waja parts. with fast road spec cams, a ported cylinder head and a piggy back ecu, we managed to get 125hp on wheels.
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Dude, I'm also running oversized pistons on one of my Saga's. Went for an overhaul & was rebored (...standard overhaul practice, right? unsure.gif ) to it's final possible rebore size (...any idea what size?) But I'm not sure if these pistons are 1.6 pistons or smaller/larger unsure.gif

Is reboring a 4g15 block to fit 1.8 pistons a little too enthusiastic? sweat.gif
Anyway, the 4G15's in question here is from a Saga Auto. tongue.gif Say "carbie" laugh.gif
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post Nov 21 2006, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(GoldenHawk @ Nov 21 2006, 01:23 PM)
Dude, I'm also running oversized pistons on one of my Saga's. Went for an overhaul & was rebored (...standard overhaul practice, right? unsure.gif ) to it's final possible rebore size (...any idea what size?) But I'm not sure if these pistons are 1.6 pistons or smaller/larger unsure.gif

Is reboring a 4g15 block to fit 1.8 pistons a little too enthusiastic? sweat.gif
Anyway, the 4G15's in question here is from a Saga Auto. tongue.gif Say "carbie" laugh.gif
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damm enthusiastic rclxub.gif not seen that done b4. donno what size u rebore to, btw is it the first overhaul for that engine? if it is, u still can go one up, but to fit 1.6 pistons would be pushing the limit.
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post Nov 22 2006, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(maddriver @ Nov 21 2006, 06:53 PM)
damm enthusiastic rclxub.gif  not seen that done b4. donno what size u rebore to, btw is it the first overhaul for that engine? if it is, u still can go one up, but to fit 1.6 pistons would be pushing the limit.
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Yes, it's the engine's 1st overhaul... BUT according to my mechanic, there's no where to go after my final rebore. They messed up during the 1st rebore & had to take it all the way to the end unsure.gif I guess I'll have to use this engine until it's dead sad.gif No more overhauls tongue.gif

Anyway, UGPM tongue.gif
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post Nov 22 2006, 09:36 PM

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too bad. how in hell did they mess up on a re-bore?

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