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TSEmily Ratajkowski
post Jul 27 2015, 11:41 AM, updated 11y ago

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I'm dating this girl. She seems really nice and all that. But just found out that she has gone through an annulment before somewhere in her late 20s. She is currently very early 30s and I thought she was single.

Here are my questions:
1)After annulment, will her status in JPN be single or divorced? I read on internet so many different answers. And of course there is no way for me to check with JPN, so I'm hoping someone here knows.
2)Can we get married? This is more of a religion thing. Catholics don't allow remarriage in the eyes of god. I'm willing to overlook the issue if her status is still "single". But if it is not, then a lot of people will look with judging eyes. I am not as religious, which is why I am able overlook the issue. But my relatives and community may not be as forgiving. Bear in mind, at the moment, none of my community knows that she had an annulment. And I plan to keep it a secret. I really don't like religion getting in the way. But my family have been in such a lifestyle that it's hard to change some things.

3)At the moment, she seems amazing. She has a good career and has grown to be a very mature person. Probably due to a bad past. I know people can change (although rarely) and I hope her current self is a result of that.

But has anyone here actually dated or considered a serious relationship with intention of marriage with a divorced/annulled person? Should I even try or just look for others? Are there any pitfalls or drawbacks that might be too much to handle? What I'm worried is that people rarely change... and the same reason for her past divorce may end up becoming my reason for divorce.

But as she is right now, she ranks very high on my scorecard. In fact, she is the closest girl I have ever met that will come close to a perfect 10 for me.

Hopefully got some more experience people in here can show me some ways.
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post Jul 27 2015, 11:51 AM

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An annulment means that the Church has judged that her previous union was invalid in the first place. Nothing to do with the civil status of married or single. Since you are non-Catholic, perhaps you should be more concerned as to her civil status. For civil status you have to check with the civil Registry of Marriage. For religious status, which diocese tribunal granted the annulment? You can then check accordingly with the diocesan office.
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post Jul 27 2015, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 27 2015, 11:51 AM)
An annulment means that the Church has judged that her previous union was invalid in the first place. Nothing to do with the civil status of married or single. Since you are non-Catholic, perhaps you should be more concerned as to her civil status. For civil status you have to check with the civil Registry of Marriage. For religious status, which diocese tribunal granted the annulment? You can then check accordingly with the diocesan office.
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Are you talking in relation to malaysia or overseas? And I'm catholic. I'm just not very religious. And I cannot check with NRD. They won't allow it

As I understand, annulment is a valid legal procedure in Malaysia. As I mentioned before, I'm planning to keep this a secret from my community. So if her status is "single" after annulment then no issue la.

But if suddenly come out on the paper as "divorced" then a lot of questions will be asked.
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post Jul 27 2015, 12:03 PM

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1) her status is divorcee
2) she can get married anytime after annulment has been approved by the court
3) it depends on how she managing her pass relationship and emotions

even if she scores 10 on your board, it doesnt mean she will accept you if she is not ready.

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post Jul 27 2015, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Jul 27 2015, 11:58 AM)
Are you talking in relation to malaysia or overseas? And I'm catholic. I'm just not very religious. And I cannot check with NRD. They won't allow it

As I understand, annulment is a valid legal procedure in Malaysia. As I mentioned before, I'm planning to keep this a secret from my community. So if her status is "single" after annulment then no issue la.

But if suddenly come out on the paper as "divorced" then a lot of questions will be asked.
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Ah so you are asking about the civil status, not the religious status. Found this from another forum:

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I underwent an annulment.

Do not believe what you read abt annulment laws on the Internet. It does not apply to Malaysia. In actual fact, after an annulment, you are supposed to be "SINGLE" again. But Malaysia does not accept this.

In JPN, your status will be "JANDA" (divorcee). This is so gravely wrong. I made a lot of noise about it, complained etc. But they said thats how the system is, and they are "reviewing the system" (my foot! dry.gif ) So no, you do not get your single status back. If you are in other countries, US or what not, yes, you will be single again. Not in Malaysia.

Also, you cannot simply apply for an annulment like how you apply for a divorce. There must be grounds on which you apply for an annulment. Some valid circumstances are:

1) After having registered your marriage, both you and your life partner have never stayed together as husband and wife. That is, your marriage has not been consummated. (you have to prove it)

2) The marriage is null and void because either party was intoxicated (drunk etc) during the process of marriage

3) Either party was currently married to someone else at the time of marriage

4) The parties involved in the marriage are related (to a certain degree)

5) The parties entered into marriage with one party not knowing that the other party has a sexually transmitted disease.

There may be some other circumstances.

Also, it is a common misconception that before you reach 2 years of marriage, you can apply for an annulment and not a divorce. This is wrong. You can be married for 5 years, and if you can prove one of the above circumstance as proof, then you can still apply for an annulment.

To me, the only difference between an annulment and a divorce is that, for a divorce, you must wait at least two years after you marry before you can apply. You must also go thru the marriage tribunal bla bla first. For annulment, this is not necessary.

Be prepared to go through a long tiresome process. All in all, the entire process will take up to one year. You cannot hide the fact that you were married before from your future spouse. When you remarry, the words "JANDA" will be on your marriage cert. Dont ask me the rationale of this. I kicked up a fuss, and nothing has been done.

Good luck.

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post Jul 27 2015, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 27 2015, 11:51 AM)
An annulment means that the Church has judged that her previous union was invalid in the first place. Nothing to do with the civil status of married or single. Since you are non-Catholic, perhaps you should be more concerned as to her civil status. For civil status you have to check with the civil Registry of Marriage. For religious status, which diocese tribunal granted the annulment? You can then check accordingly with the diocesan office.
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Exactly!

Also OP, you must decide whether the people around you punya judgement more important or your life with her more important. you can please everyone. sometimes you must be selfish. if religion prohibits, then get a civil union. asian culture mmg very judgmental but just be happy. ok bro. tc and wish yo ua happy married life.
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post Jul 27 2015, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(gana2056 @ Jul 27 2015, 01:08 PM)
Exactly!

Also OP, you must decide whether the people around you punya judgement more important or your life with her more important. you can please everyone. sometimes you must be selfish. if religion prohibits, then get a civil union. asian culture mmg very judgmental but just be happy. ok bro. tc and wish yo ua happy married life.
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I think he is more concerned about her civil status..hehe.
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post Jul 27 2015, 08:43 PM

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1. Love who you love.

2. Marrying young does not make her a bad/sinful person, she was naive and she made a mistake. She realized it quickly enough for it to be annulled, I'd give that an A+.

3. Your family does not have to know.

4. If the government says she single/divorced on paper, would that really mean anything? It is a status for systematic fluidity in identification of connections and affiliates that fall under her identity, the last thing I would call a government recognized status is "sacred"

5. Why are you cherry-picking sin from sin? I'm guessing you're in your 30s as well, have you had sex yet? Last I heard adultery was weight much more heavily in terms of sin aside from remarriage.

From a religious perspective, (I'm sorry if I sound proud saying this) but God is a forgiving God to those with faith who know how to love and care for others regardless of background. If you feel that the views of your family and her civil status is enough for you to give up on her, she probably deserves better man.

EDIT: FYI, who are those all-faithful catholics to JUDGE your decisions and hers? That's all up to your God and you should not let it get to you imho.

This post has been edited by theyoungconsumer: Jul 27 2015, 08:46 PM
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post Jul 28 2015, 11:34 AM

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As far as I know, an anullment does not equal a divorce. Which means that both parties are separated but cannot remarry.

In order to remarry, a divorce is necessary and yes, her status will be stated as divorcee and not single.

If a simple status in a civil marriage document can make you reconsider whether to marry her (due to your concerns about what your relatives think), you are not ready to marry a her.

I am sure you can find this information online as there were previous discussions on this in other forums (which is where I learned about it myself). If you feel you can't rely on this, then pls talk to a lawyer.

Your primary legal concern at this point should be whether an annuled person can remarry without a divorce.

This post has been edited by jdgobio: Jul 28 2015, 11:36 AM

 

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