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 Strata Management Act 2013 and Strata title Act, Attending a Professional Talk

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joshuawhlam
post Aug 13 2015, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 27 2015, 02:38 PM)
As far as I knew and experience.
Proxy cannot be voted as committee member, only can vote on behalf owner, but not being voted.

While for company, it is a bit different, as "company" is not a person in the first place so someone (from the company) must able represent the company.
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I have confusion on the rights of proxy.

In the first AGM for JMC, I appointed my sister as proxy to join the AGM. My sister and the other proxy disallowed to vote for new committee. As the instrution I got from management office, proxy has not right to vote. Please show me the particular statement in act. Therefore I can ask for the right of proxy in future.
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post Aug 13 2015, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 13 2015, 10:10 AM)
Cherroy, I think he meant the casting of vote to appoint the new “management committee”.

If I re-call correctly, the proprietor will have to complete the proxy form. In the proxy form, it will state whether he is for/against a particular agenda to be tabled during AGM. The proxy will than vote based on that proxy form. As such, the power of the proxy is only limited to what is stated in the proxy form.

Now, the underlying rationale (I suspect) as to why proxy can’t vote for the new “management committee” is because they are not proprietors. If proxy voters are allowed to vote in new “management committee”, this action will encourage forged proxy forms and phantom voters (as my ex-chairman did).
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Thank you for comments to understand what I think and Cherroy think.

I learn a few new terms. Properietor should means the owner? Casting vote means is a final vote when there is deadlock? Let say same votes for two candidate. Casting vote is needed by chairman.

I think what Cherroy got my meanings. I am owner and presumably I am the proprietor, who completed to proxy form. Appointing my sister as proxy to join the first AGM when developer hand over the power to new committee. But the management office refuses my sister (proxy) to vote in this case.

In the second time, I attend a meeting. I am an owner and I can vote. I become the proxy of my friend (another owner). My proxy status also doesn't allow me to help myself to vote.

I feel strange if the proxy can not vote. Then why need a proxy to join the meeting. Sounds illogic to me. But office told proxy has no voting right. That's the conclusion I got.

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post Aug 13 2015, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 13 2015, 01:58 PM)
I am just pulling rabbits out of the hat for the time being because I am new to this issue as well.

Now let me tell you why I have differing opinion from Cherroy and yourself. Why would I side with management.

Before that... need to clarify and you are right, sorry for the sloppy explanation there.

Proprietor in the Act is the parcel owner.
As for votes, there is two types, show of hand and by poll. (section 17(1) of Schedule 2 SMA)
Where there is an equality of votes, whether show of hands or by poll, the Chairman is entitled to cast a vote (section 17(5) of Schedule 2 SMA).

Now back to the topic...

As we all know, before the AGM/EGM commence, the agenda will be published in notice board or circulated to proprietors. Attached together with the agenda is a proxy form.

Now when you look into the proxy form, it will most likely address all the agendas except for appointment of new committee members, reason being at that early point in stage it is not possible to know who has been nominated as a committee member. Hence, that subject matter is discussed during the AGM itself.

For obvious reasons, the proxy derives his power from the proxy form. It will therefore be safe for me to say that the parameters of action of a proxy is subject to the content of the proxy form dictated by the Proprietor.

Besides, the committee members are something that is "personal" to proprietors and third parties (example where such powers are not accorded in a proxy form) should not be allowed to participate in such voting for fear that the voting process may be skewed or tempered with.

unfortunately, the Act doesn't elaborate further on proxy (i.e. voting of committee members), if the Act is silent, we will need to refer back to the proxy form. If the proxy form is silent as well, then your management is correct in disallowing your sister (as proxy) to vote.
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I don't buy explanation. The act is used to protect the rights of the owner. The reason I don't buy the explanation is due to it is fair and the right of owner is not protected. Every act has plenty of loopholes and management used the loop holes to manipulate the condition. Then why we need the act?

In current technology, we can use whatapps/viber/ blar blar blar or even a courtesy phone call to update the condition. I believe the voting process should progress to be electronic voting. Seem the rights of owners should be protected. It is like backward management style to me. No e-vote never mind lah. Peoples comes also can not vote. Next time.... maybe management want to check IC leh. how do management who is owner who is not. Next time maybe check this and that..... Sounds a red herring for bias.

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post Aug 13 2015, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 13 2015, 05:16 PM)
You don’t have to buy my explanation.

Am in this discussion because my guess is as good as yours, I am new to the SMA as well and my participation is intended to further my understanding of the SMA.

Also, I am calling my “theory” based on what I can see in the SMA. If you find something that is different, please feel free to share.

Let’s stick to your original question, whether the SMA has loopholes or otherwise, whether technology etc…, like it or not SMA is here to stay and it’s the best you got.
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hehe. You explaination is too bias to the management lah. We want owner to be protected and management do their jobs.

Your assumption may not be logic as my opinions lah. The purpose of the act is to protect the owner to create a harmony community. Management office does not own the buidling, but helping to run the building. They can not turn guest to be host as chinese sayings. Management office can only do their jobs based on the limited power given by act and have no rights to waive the rights of owners.

In democratic soceity, police caught somebody due to crime. If somebody did no crime as in law, police can not feel he is no good and tambah his perception on crime to catch him. This is a misuse of power to limit the human rights. T

he same things, management office can not simply tambah things suka suka because they are helping to manage the building and not the owners. They can not suka tambah tambah things to waive the right of owner. This is also misuse of power. If everyone suka suka, then waive other rights. Why we need act and law?

Ideally, e-vote should be promoted as now most of the professional body such as ICE, EI, IET all use e-Vote to choose the Chairman etc. Nomination can be made before the voting and owner can do e-Vote. I have seen no reason management should not support those owners who are not attend the meeting and also take this as reason to waive the owner rights again.

Law must protect the rights in a justice way, not someone simply say and can add this add that. It does seem come back to the Emperor time already.

This is my 2 cents. I am neither bias on the owner nor management. I just think if one party can easy to waive the rights of other parties, law is basically not working in the system!

 

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