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 USA Stock Discussion v7, Greece Debt Crisis!

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mikehwy
post Aug 25 2015, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 25 2015, 07:02 PM)
ask bijan et al ... 2.50 is correct answer.

ask bloomberg, others 4.5-5.0. tongue.gif
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ya, interesting indeed. we are seeing many but different 'expert' opinions here about $$$$.
i would love to see dipping rm, but i have fears too as this can affect our local macro environment...jobs, inflation, employment and not forgetting man-made economic leakages. sigh .....
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post Aug 25 2015, 09:48 PM

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will dows hit +500 easily? lets wait. me enjoying my dinner together with the dows. not too bad an evening.
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post Aug 25 2015, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 25 2015, 09:40 PM)
fxi looking strong ....
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last nite if buy fxp, habis... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 25 2015, 10:47 PM)
last nite if buy fxp, habis... biggrin.gif
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just cheked it, -11% ! worse than the relal market drop! can easily burn a large hole in my little pocket.

latest .....

china drop below 3k, first time in 8 months, rumours is that the chinese gomen is withdrawing its less effective 'pop up' strategies. dunno can trust or not this time! ??

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post Aug 25 2015, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 25 2015, 10:54 PM)
china drop below 3k, first time in 8 months, rumours is that the chinese gomen is withdrawing its less effective 'pop up' strategies. dunno can trust or not this time! ??
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think overdone.

tmrw, surely will bounce back 7-8%, from the looks of fxi!
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post Aug 26 2015, 12:09 AM

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latest ...

new home sales increses...

consumer confidence rises (last month was 10 pt down)

oil stock pile is expected to rise in the next report (but oil rising...?)
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post Aug 26 2015, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 26 2015, 12:09 AM)
latest ...

new home sales increses...

consumer confidence rises (last month was 10 pt down)

oil stock pile is expected to rise in the next report (but oil rising...?)
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bullish.... laugh.gif

oil....seriously, it's short term, either up or down. just looking at balance, and we don't know where is the balance point. middle east countries cannot take it for too long, and US oil companies see this, so they continues to produce oil, waiting for the opec or whosoever to take aggressive action on low price. Hard time fighting these high tech companies. US is the winner on high tech, still the world #1. biggrin.gif

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post Aug 26 2015, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 26 2015, 12:20 AM)
bullish.... laugh.gif

oil....seriously, it's short term, either up or down. just looking at balance, and we don't know where is the balance point. middle east countries cannot take it for too long, and US oil companies see this, so they continues to produce oil, waiting for the opec or whosoever to take aggressive action on low price. Hard time fighting these high tech companies. US is the winner on high tech, still the world #1.  biggrin.gif
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It's really hard to trade crude and also difficult to gauge the producers - like you've stated, which one will break first and waive the white flag, then we may get a turn around for oil price.

Right now, the small timers with most expensive cost are suffering. Also, we got the Iran situation - vowed will increase their oil wells to full production to grab back market share that was lost during the sanction years.
How low do you go to win? I'm sure both sides also suffer because margin so small already.

If like that better sell mineral water, right? Easier profits.. tongue.gif



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post Aug 26 2015, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 26 2015, 12:09 AM)
oil stock pile is expected to rise in the next report (but oil rising...?)
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oil is still falling.

some recovery today because of overshot last night.

the daily straight line down is intact. biggrin.gif

this article's charts are interesting:

3 charts explain how oil is roiling world currencies
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/25/3-charts-ex...currencies.html



dow... looks like wanting to finish +1xx!

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post Aug 26 2015, 03:40 AM

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looks like bear wins today....oops.... laugh.gif
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post Aug 26 2015, 04:06 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 26 2015, 03:40 AM)
looks like bear wins today....oops.... laugh.gif
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Darn. the last hour, everyone exiting. It's bull trap... sweat.gif
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post Aug 26 2015, 09:32 AM

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ya lor what a twist.....my heart also going up and down seeing the market
any idea why the final hours dropped so much?
institute pump and dump strategy?

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shanghai need to pull off a nice rally for dow to return to confidence.

shanghai looks calm today, we'll see....
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post Aug 26 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(jerrychoo2004 @ Aug 26 2015, 09:32 AM)
ya lor what a twist.....my heart also going up and down seeing the market
any idea why the final hours dropped so much?
institute pump and dump strategy?
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i think they still wait and see attitude. they want to "confirm" on china market before making a move. Besides, they short too much, so take time to "complete" those shorts. sweat.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 25 2015, 09:48 PM)
will dows hit +500 easily. lets wait. me enjoying my dinner together with the dows. not too bad an evening.
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omg. pls pardon me for being so optimistic n naive. just see dows in deep sheet at close. but it was reported good data there
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yooo. same trend today with hsi n china rebounding, diws, dax, ftse all turning good green.
hope not another boop boop trap at dows. I got hit last nite.
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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 26 2015, 01:14 PM)
yooo. same trend today with hsi n china rebounding, diws, dax, ftse all turning good green.
hope not another boop boop trap at dows. I got hit last nite.
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shanghai red, eu red.

but much of asia incl nikkei green.

dow futures +1xx.

let's hope it's not another bull trap!



i am not buying anything at this time.

just playing with coins on crude. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jerrychoo2004 @ Aug 26 2015, 09:32 AM)
any idea why the final hours dropped so much?
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some expert views here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-...the-final-hour-

summary...

.. "stocks have to catch up with the selloff in energy stocks and energy debt".
.. "the fed and ecb can hold things but a 3rd force, the emerging markets, have arrived with violent movements".
.. "buyers on dips hesitating, sellers drawn in".

will be wild nights for a while. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 26 2015, 06:21 PM)
some expert views here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-...the-final-hour-

summary...

.. "stocks have to catch up with the selloff in energy stocks and energy debt".
.. "the fed and ecb can hold things but a 3rd force, the emerging markets, have arrived with violent movements".
.. "buyers on dips hesitating, sellers drawn in".

will be wild nights for a while. laugh.gif
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ya...quite true. buyers hesitation. I am a good example. buy too early, each buying costs loss. after few tries, turn into wait mode. However, this afternoon bought again in hk market, too cheap to hesitate. bought and forget, maybe 5 years. laugh.gif

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post Aug 26 2015, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 26 2015, 06:57 PM)
ya...quite true. buyers hesitation. I am a good example. buy too early, each buying costs loss. after few tries, turn into wait mode. However, this afternoon bought again in hk market, too cheap to hesitate. bought and forget, maybe 5 years.  laugh.gif
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It's difficult to time the market. Just set a target and buy/sell some when it happens (like auto-trigger with gtc).

This week been quite volatile.
Gap down.. panic sell and buy, next day gap up.. retrace and fill. Tonight, gap up again - most likely will be the same pattern, take a few step back and fill. sp500/dow/nasdaq is forming like a pennant shape. I think nasdaq is likely to heal better than the other two.



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