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danmooncake
post Aug 6 2015, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 6 2015, 09:59 PM)
if i am not wrong, the shale producers in the US  cost is 25-30. maybe they still can last for a wee while.

one more thing, tsla lately has been v volatile, swings of 5-10% is common. its now -11% !
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They (the US shale producers) varies widely.. for new wells, the cost is higher (up to $60/barrel) but for established wells, it drops as low as $20.. or they can just halt the rigs and start again when prices (or demand) resume.
Now, Saudis even lower..(or so they claim). Their cost is like US$10/barrel.

The odd thing is the demand in US hasn't subsided this year. They're still the world biggest users but they've imported a lot less since domestic production has taken over.


Imagine this: Oil now is cheaper than a barrel of processed mineral water.
Might as well close shop and just sell mineral water to earn more money. tongue.gif
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post Aug 6 2015, 10:14 PM

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personally i feel so sorry for the oil industry. my ex classmates were in shell and esso making great incomes over the last 2 decades. their allowances were unbelievable, with paid hotel accomodations, grand 2-week leave per month with great pays .. etc etc .... now the roof is torn. sigh .... will oil becoming like commodities with little worth now? look at australia and its currency against sing dollar....
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 6 2015, 10:06 PM)

Imagine this: Oil now is cheaper than a barrel of processed mineral water.
Might as well close shop and just sell mineral water to earn more money.  tongue.gif
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haha, exactly! that was what i have been thinking for a while...oil cheaper than mineral water (even tith our new invention GST!). !@#$ rclxm9.gif
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post Aug 6 2015, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 5 2015, 10:22 PM)
looking back (or forward?), netflix could be a faster money growing site since early 2015.'what a  chart!
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netflix another +5 or 4%! wish i own this from Jan .
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post Aug 6 2015, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 6 2015, 10:06 PM)

Imagine this: Oil now is cheaper than a barrel of processed mineral water.
Might as well close shop and just sell mineral water to earn more money.  tongue.gif
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problem is, no country want to store mineral water. So it's hard to get enough demand if all oil companies change to sell mineral water. tongue.gif
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post Aug 6 2015, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 6 2015, 10:35 PM)
problem is, no country want to store mineral water. So it's hard to get enough demand if all oil companies change to sell mineral water.  tongue.gif
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I know in US, the state of California... they need water badly. With the severe drought (wild fires and El Nino), water shortage and rationing, bottled water also very expensive. Plenty of demand there. I was at ball game park.. they charge US $5 for bottled water... shocking.gif


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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 6 2015, 10:45 PM)
I know in US, the state of California... they need water badly. With the severe drought (wild fires and El Nino), water shortage and rationing, bottled water also very expensive.  Plenty of demand there.  I was at ball game park.. they charge US $5 for bottled water...  shocking.gif
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no way!! that's really good business there! drool.gif
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post Aug 7 2015, 12:33 AM

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things are really dropping now. look at that sune, now -4.5 or -19% !!! so scarry to view it on screen.
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post Aug 7 2015, 12:34 AM

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some starts fishing energy stocks....where will be oil bottom this round? biggrin.gif
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latest...
chinese gomen spent 900b yuan to prop the chinese market for last 2 months.
still planning 1 trillion to support the market.
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post Aug 7 2015, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 7 2015, 12:34 AM)
some starts fishing energy stocks....where will be oil bottom this round?  biggrin.gif
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as oil price continue to fall in the last few days, i notice the oil/energy etf's stopped falling or slowed in the decline.

not much more to fall? or waiting to fall off a cliff? biggrin.gif



crude now bouncing around 44.50 after falling 1.3%.

taking a breather, resume fall to 42 next week? brows.gif






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post Aug 7 2015, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 7 2015, 01:17 AM)
as oil price continue to fall in the last few days, i notice the oil/energy etf's stopped falling or slowed in the decline.

not much more to fall? or waiting to fall off a cliff? biggrin.gif
crude now bouncing around 44.50 after falling 1.3%.

taking a breather, resume fall to 42 next week? brows.gif
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exactly, that's the tricky part. Are we about to see a clif or the fall has exhausted? That's the question raised when movement slows. A billion dollar question. laugh.gif

back to broad market. Is it bull or bear it seems now? hmm.gif

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post Aug 7 2015, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 7 2015, 01:19 AM)
exactly, that's the tricky part. Are we about to see a clif or the fall has exhausted? That's the question raised when movement slows. A billion dollar question. laugh.gif

back to broad market. Is it bull or bear it seems now?  hmm.gif
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been falling 22 out of last 30 sessions.

all the data we have at hand does not indicate any significant recovery coming.

may not fall that much that fast anymore, though.

careful, careful... biggrin.gif


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weak bear?.... hmm.gif
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post Aug 7 2015, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 7 2015, 12:33 AM)
things are really dropping now. look at that sune, now -4.5 or -19% !!! so scarry to view it on screen.
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Gosh.. was the quarterly missed that bad?
Heck.. even AMZN loses more money but didn't get punished like this.

Very tempted to get back in here but bears are so darn strong now for this stock. sweat.gif

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post Aug 7 2015, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 7 2015, 12:48 AM)
latest...
chinese gomen spent 900b yuan to prop the chinese market for last 2 months.
still planning 1 trillion to support the market.
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The artificial support from the Chinese gomen makes their market almost un-investable now.
People will sell when it gets to 4500 and buy when it gets to 3500 (govt got a PUT in the market).

No more real investors.. all govt or govt linked companies buy and sell to each other. doh.gif
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2 things to watch today...

non-farm payrolls - if too good, sure rate hike in sep!

that will drive market down, crude prices down.



locally, bnm fx reserves report.

rm/usd now 3.9275.

market is expect a huge drop in reserves, it seems.

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what time is the non farm job report n any idea of the outcome? + or -? wage rates?
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post Aug 7 2015, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 7 2015, 05:23 PM)
what time is the non farm job report n any idea of the outcome? + or  -? wage rates?
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U.S. stock index futures indicated a higher open on Friday with investors eyeing the latest release of U.S. jobs data, which are due at 8:30 a.m. ET.
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cnbc has take notice...

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UPDATE 1-Malaysia reserves fall below $100 bln as ringgit slumps

"I won't say there is panic now but we are quite close," Amy Yuan Zhuang, a senior analyst at Nordea Markets in Singapore, said prior to announcement of end-July reserves.
"The falling FX reserves could be a sign that BNM is trying to limit the ringgit's losses," she said, adding that meant investors could not exclude the possibility of some form of capital controls being imposed.
In a note prior to the release, Societe Generale said that if reserves fall toward $90 billion, BNM is "likely to 'let it go'."
Societe Generale revised its ringgit forecast for the third quarter to 4.1000 from 3.8000.
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/07/reuters-ame...git-slumps.html

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