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Bought a Mac Book in the past month? Tough luck... your computer is now 20% slower for the money you paid!
Sigh~ Anyway, a timely bump. Those Dell RM 4000 machines are stealing your market share
Mac Book Core 2 Duo OUT!, Everything 2
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Haha.. gotta love Intel.
Macbook site Bought a Mac Book in the past month? Tough luck... your computer is now 20% slower for the money you paid! Sigh~ Anyway, a timely bump. Those Dell RM 4000 machines are stealing your market share |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:35 PM
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Can you check the price for the US store? mine here cannot, they say will be back soon, site under renovation. Are you having the same?
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Nov 8 2006, 10:43 PM
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omg.~!! finally.. when will mac mini become core 2 duo?
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Nov 8 2006, 10:44 PM
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at least USD 1099.....
as shown here http://www.apple.com/macbook/macbook.html dont know if it is applicable for the C2D macbook.... |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(siawgu @ Nov 8 2006, 10:43 PM) omg.~!! finally.. when will mac mini become core 2 duo? hoping also...  |
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Nov 9 2006, 12:03 AM
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with this 'new' model, i hope they have resolved the issues from MB Core Duo e.g. discoloration, noisy fan etc.....
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Nov 9 2006, 12:56 AM
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Finally the wait is over.. A nice update though.. Maybe we need to wait next year for the graphics upgrade..
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Nov 9 2006, 01:39 AM
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ya.. a nice update. jsut hope that this version won be a buggy as the 1st gen macBook.
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Nov 9 2006, 02:21 AM
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i hate GMA950.... gimme Nvidia or ATI.... my bonus is coming up... think about core2 macbook instead of imac...
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Nov 9 2006, 05:02 AM
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The major thing that separates the Mac Book from teh Pro version is the graphics. Its their strategy for you to get their better model.
Even dell offers 7400 nvidia on their rm 4k C2d lappy.. sigh~ |
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Nov 9 2006, 05:07 AM
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now the big question......
Is it worth it if I sell my CD Macbook off and get a C2D Macbook? Does the claimed 20% speed increase that significant? Personaly, I am not changing it..... I got my Macbook for about 6 months only and $$$ does play a very huge part in this... The 20% speed increase wont be that noticible i think...but it is more future proof than the older CD macbooks... |
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Nov 9 2006, 05:48 AM
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Nowadays we complain of 20% speed increase being insufficient. I remember the days of 133MHz, where 166MHz seems like a godsent! LOL..
Or the bump from 14.4kb/s modem to 56k modem (i didn't buy the in-betweens)... Whoa, we're like so psyched. Now, our iTunes rip, Photo resize, multitasking advantage is about 10-20% faster on the C2D, and we're saying... "its not noticable"... hehehe... If you've got a 2-3 year old computer, then only decide whether to switch or not! Technology is cruel... they keep coming out with new stuff! |
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Nov 9 2006, 09:10 AM
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well i really want to get the macbook but the main drawback is the graphics...
i guess like the others say it's apple's marketing strategy... $$ is alwiz the problem guess i'm stuck with macbook for awhile... |
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Nov 9 2006, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(lokgotz @ Nov 9 2006, 05:07 AM) now the big question...... i dont think you should sell ur CD MacBook... Is it worth it if I sell my CD Macbook off and get a C2D Macbook? Does the claimed 20% speed increase that significant? Personaly, I am not changing it..... I got my Macbook for about 6 months only and $$$ does play a very huge part in this... The 20% speed increase wont be that noticible i think...but it is more future proof than the older CD macbooks...  i'm stick wif my lovely 1st Gen of MacBook! looking at my model with the newest 1, the only different is upgrading CD 1.83GHz to C2D 1.83GHz. and the rest is still the same...  |
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Nov 9 2006, 09:48 AM
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Will the price be the same? hehe
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Nov 9 2006, 10:12 AM
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so the price here in msia still the same for the new ones?
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Nov 9 2006, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(amnesiac @ Nov 9 2006, 10:12 AM) so the price here in msia still the same for the new ones? well it should be..i guess |
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Nov 9 2006, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(Minority116 @ Nov 9 2006, 02:21 AM) i hate GMA950.... gimme Nvidia or ATI.... my bonus is coming up... think about core2 macbook instead of imac... If you hate GMA950, go to dedicated graphics lorr.. Don't chase something that you didn't like QUOTE(lokgotz @ Nov 9 2006, 05:07 AM) now the big question...... I think it's a nice update for the MB, CPU, Superdrive, RAM.. Actually I think it worth for your money.. But do you really need all those upgrade? As for me, I will stick with the current MB for the time being until I really need those upgrade.. Well, technology grew very fast, you need a lot of money if you want to chase them. Is it worth it if I sell my CD Macbook off and get a C2D Macbook? Does the claimed 20% speed increase that significant? Personaly, I am not changing it..... I got my Macbook for about 6 months only and $$$ does play a very huge part in this... The 20% speed increase wont be that noticible i think...but it is more future proof than the older CD macbooks... I found a site.. Maybe interesting http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/10993/ and http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/01/sonys-m...-vaio-vgn-n17l/ This post has been edited by vandetta: Nov 9 2006, 03:28 PM |
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Nov 9 2006, 03:31 PM
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doh, I bought a macbook last month! Well I'll survive
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Nov 9 2006, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(lokgotz @ Nov 9 2006, 05:07 AM) now the big question...... Better wait till Leopard release or the next upgrade which should be around April...Is it worth it if I sell my CD Macbook off and get a C2D Macbook? Does the claimed 20% speed increase that significant? Personaly, I am not changing it..... I got my Macbook for about 6 months only and $$$ does play a very huge part in this... The 20% speed increase wont be that noticible i think...but it is more future proof than the older CD macbooks... If u get it now, u'll need to spend extra to get Leopard... It's a good idea to get it right after it's released, but with a leopard looming around ur house, it's better to wait. A lot of people said leopard will be released during MacWorld. It's an Apple thing. |
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Nov 9 2006, 08:47 PM
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I really don't think it's a necessary jump right now, especially for owners of the 'old' MacBook. Once more applications start taking full advantage of UB there may be more of a need to upgrade. Yes, the C2D does offer some performance gains in some testing suites (Photoshop!), but I don't think the real-world gains are enough to justify getting rid of the old MB.
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Nov 9 2006, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE(yetieater @ Nov 9 2006, 08:47 PM) I really don't think it's a necessary jump right now, especially for owners of the 'old' MacBook. Once more applications start taking full advantage of UB there may be more of a need to upgrade. Yes, the C2D does offer some performance gains in some testing suites (Photoshop!), but I don't think the real-world gains are enough to justify getting rid of the old MB. hey, stop bringing my dandruff to this thread! lokgotz, be happy with your dandruff-in-the-keyboard MacBook Besides, who knows.. Perhaps we'll even see the advent of quad-core in the MB and MBP by summer 2007. hehehehin my opinion, i guess the only thing that slows down the old macbook are the software that needs to run via Rosetta.....when all major apps like MS office and Adobe CS uses UB, then i think it should be faster....then bump the ram up to the 2gb max, everything should be on par with the newer macbooks.... Gonna keep my 2.0ghz, 512mb, white macbook for a while now...hehehe.....at least 3 years i think... |
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Nov 9 2006, 10:43 PM
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Don't mean to sound like a Dell / Wintel fanboy, but they've just released teh Rm 2999 Core 2 Duo 15.4" widescreen mainstream laptop! www.dell.com.my for details. Up the RAM to 2gb (standard 1gb), DVD burn and get that 7300 nvidia card option and you got one leet machine, for about rm 4k.
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Nov 10 2006, 01:13 AM
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You can tell that over and over again, but no one here will care and will compare their Macs with Windows laptop, if you go and tell this in Windows forums, maybe people there will became like this -->>
 but in Apple Bytes, if you talk about Windows laptop, they will go like this -->>  Cheers |
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Nov 10 2006, 06:44 AM
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At the very least, compare to a Vaio.
Dell? That's the Proton Saga of the laptop world. You're comparing Apples and Lemons. |
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Nov 10 2006, 07:57 AM
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QUOTE(vandetta @ Nov 10 2006, 01:13 AM) You can tell that over and over again, but no one here will care and will compare their Macs with Windows laptop, if you go and tell this in Windows forums, maybe people there will became like this -->> Yeah u r right! There is no way a WINDOWS operated DELL laptop can compare with a MACOSX driven Macbook or MAcbook Pro! but in Apple Bytes, if you talk about Windows laptop, they will go like this -->> Cheers I love my MBP! |
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Nov 13 2006, 03:47 PM
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any news on how much will be the new macbook be sold here??
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Nov 13 2006, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(cywings @ Nov 13 2006, 03:47 PM) any news on how much will be the new macbook be sold here?? i'm more curious on how the old macbooks will be priced. |
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Nov 13 2006, 04:27 PM
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The MacBook C2D will be priced as listed here:
1.83Ghz White RM4399 2.0Ghz White RM5299 2.0Ghz Black RM5999 i'm getting the white 2.0Ghz the specs and price as follows 13-inch : White 1.83GHz RM4,399 13.3-inch widescreen display 1280 x 800 resolution 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 512MB memory (2x256MB) 60GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW) 13-inch : White 2.0GHz RM5,299 13.3-inch widescreen display 1280 x 800 resolution 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 1GB memory (2x512MB) 80GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive Double-layer SuperDrive (DVDħRW, CD-RW) 13-inch : Black 2.0GHz RM5,999 13.3-inch widescreen display 1280 x 800 resolution 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 1GB memory (2x512MB) 120GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive Double-layer SuperDrive (DVDħRW, CD-RW) |
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Nov 13 2006, 06:22 PM
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wicked..even more reasons to get one....
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Nov 13 2006, 07:10 PM
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Walao, same price as previous Core Duo version.
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Nov 13 2006, 07:38 PM
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i think when the c2d comes out, the core duo wont be selling anymore lah....
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Nov 13 2006, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(lokgotz @ Nov 13 2006, 07:38 PM) i think when the c2d comes out, the core duo wont be selling anymore lah.... Sometimes Apple just wasted lot's of it's productivity. |
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Nov 13 2006, 08:36 PM
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Sell CD macbook cheaper ... if not return those macbook to factory to upgrade owh, perhaps ... not exactly wasted right?
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Nov 18 2006, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(MacDaNife @ Nov 10 2006, 06:44 AM) At the very least, compare to a Vaio. Really??? Is the difference THAT GREAT??? No doubt, I must say the Apple remote, FrontRow, iSight and Mac OS X are all great. I love them.Dell? That's the Proton Saga of the laptop world. You're comparing Apples and Lemons. But is the Dell a Proton Saga equivalent? Pop up the hood, and they're running the same engine, just a different shell! No one buys a computer to look good. Guys buy their chains and bling, gals get their diamond rings. We buy a computer for productivity, not looks!!! Photoshop CS on Emulation mode runs filters in lets say 5 minutes. The Dell running Win XP natively can pawn it in 3-4 minutes! OK, lets say PS optimised on Intel Mac is released... Still.. i think the times will be the in the ballpark, if not similar. Many graphic pros are making the shift to cheaper PC hardware... Apple is overcharging for "looks" and supposed, alleged "Stability!" haha.... I think that's an over-statement! QUOTE(neekun @ Nov 10 2006, 07:57 AM) Yeah u r right! There is no way a WINDOWS operated DELL laptop can compare with a MACOSX driven Macbook or MAcbook Pro! Congrats on your MBP. I'll just install a hacked version of 10.5 when its released on my 17" dell laptop with 2gb ram and a 7400 gfx... Sure, it won't beat your MBP, but i'm saving thousands of ringgit I love my MBP! Maybe for an extra 24" Dell widescreen as my 2nd monitor!Damn, I'm now a dell-fanboy! QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 13 2006, 03:50 PM) i'm more curious on how the old macbooks will be priced. Same. Apple Malaysia never lower their price to their market value. They overcharge. Just like Apple!QUOTE(lokgotz @ Nov 13 2006, 07:38 PM) i think when the c2d comes out, the core duo wont be selling anymore lah.... You're right. They'll give to their employees.QUOTE(KTay @ Nov 13 2006, 08:36 PM) Sell CD macbook cheaper ... if not return those macbook to factory to upgrade owh, perhaps ... not exactly wasted right? Nope, they don't return to Apple to 'upgrade' it.. its too costly. They'll just send to 3rd world countries where MacbOOk has " just been released " and their local community aren't updated about the real situation...Perhaps this occurs in Malaysia too, to a lesser extent. Meaning, Apple stores will keep charging us list price even though new models are OUT! Idiots. |
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Nov 18 2006, 11:03 AM
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Fan-boyism is not my type.. but...
DELL PAWNS JOO MAC BOOK PROZ!!!! RM 7,364.00 gets you... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « MBP at RM 10,800 gets you: . 2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo . 1680 x 1050 pixels . 2GB memory . 160GB hard drive1 . 8x double-layer SuperDrive . ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 graphics with 256MB SDRAM Sweet.... Ok, the monitor is slightly higher resolution, the hard disk is 40 GB bigger, no GigE ethernet, no MagSafe, my 2GHz dell processor is 15% slower than your 2.33GHz MBP 17", there's iSight, iRemote, but my Dell's 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® Go 7900 GS pawns the x1600 kaw-kaw... gaming bliss!!! Oh, there's a rm 3,500 disparity.. Hmm... what can I do with that money? How about an extra 24" LCD for my home.. dual screen... Or maybe install OS X 10.5 on it... then... hmm... get a higher 1900 x 1200 resolution screen for the 17" laptop? Decisions decisions. |
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Nov 18 2006, 11:38 AM
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If u like the Dell, go buy it
 . Understand that some value ringgit to function ratio over 'the cool factor'. I'm not sure whether I fall into Apple fanboy category. I am not a computer nerd and I hate computer before this. Had a Dell before and after I switched to Mac, I find out that using computer is really an ejoyable thing to do. And a Mac does that  |
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Nov 18 2006, 11:46 AM
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Windows based PC will never on par with Mac OS
but then,both cater different category of people. You want to do multimedia editing,such as videos,pictures, Mac OS will suit your taste while you want gaming, go for Windows based. i thought windows will suit me for multimedia,after using Photoshop CS2 on windows and Mac OS, i will say Mac OS is the best editing tool for me because of the mouse sensitivity...arrgghh..you will never understand it unless you do it by yourself... Dell will adopt Mac OS soon...good move Michael Dell |
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QUOTE(babyk @ Nov 18 2006, 11:46 AM) Windows based PC will never on par with Mac OS I am using Windows XP now. I can cut movies using Adobe Premier. I can edit pictures using Adobe Photoshop CS2 and Google's Picasa (my favourite). Er... what's the advantages of using Mac OS X again??but then,both cater different category of people. You want to do multimedia editing,such as videos,pictures, Mac OS will suit your taste while you want gaming, go for Windows based. Don't get me started on gaming... QUOTE(babyk @ Nov 18 2006, 11:46 AM) i thought windows will suit me for multimedia,after using Photoshop CS2 on windows and Mac OS, i will say Mac OS is the best editing tool for me because of the mouse sensitivity...arrgghh..you will never understand it unless you do it by yourself... Err... mouse sensitivity? Get a RM 99 gaming mouse, those that they use in Cybercafes. Yeah, those are uber sensitive. Its called the Razer or something. And Mac have better sensitivity will CONVINCE you to get something twice as expensive? god dammit. I want YOU to be my CUSTOMER in the future!! SO easy to con!!QUOTE(babyk @ Nov 18 2006, 11:46 AM) Dell will adopt Mac OS soon...good move Michael Dell And you think Steve Jobs will bend over and let Michael Dell f* him? Hahahaha.... That would be SOOOOOO wrong!I think what's gonna happen is that in 5 years time Mac OS X will be gone, forever. There will be no more future upgrades. Since all the Macs then would be running on Intel, basically, Apple will be running Windows Vista underpinnings but provide a "mod" to make it feel like the Mac. So essentially, you can have FrontRow.exe and iLife.exe but everything will be running on Windows Vista. This theory was predicted by John C. Dvorak. Everyone thought he was crazy when he said this, but as iSight and the latest BootCamp shifts to all Windows compatible, it looks like Cupertino's hardware will be running on Windows Vista for good. Apple will be a solely hardware company, but they'll be competing with Dell and Gateway for the hardware sales. Gateway and Dell will be coming with their own "pre-installed crapware" but Apple will ship a Mac OS X theme on top of Vista to make the whole experience like a Mac. Microsoft gets a share of the sales (as royalty) or even APPLE will sell Vista by default... so Uncle Bill will become richer and richer. That's Steve Job's 10-year masterplan. |
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Nov 18 2006, 04:11 PM
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baby k, u know what would be the ultimate test???
We both are given Rob-B-Hood "original" DVD... with a fresh install of OS X 10.4.8 and Windows XP SP 2 default. Nothing else. Same hardware config (MBP v Dell laptop) We are both given an internet connection only. We suppose to convert the DVD to XVID... see which machine will "get started" faster.... I doubt iMovie has this feature, so we both need 3rd party apps. See who's the REAL video editing KING! If you wanna play tough, you can always bring out for Final Cut Pro while I shove out my Adobe Premier. Add titles, effects, transitions, BRING IT ON!!!Next test, Photochop and Photo-editing. Install Photoshop CS2 on both machines. PC uses Picasa, Mac uses iFoto for organisation We are given a DVD of 100 high resolution 2048x1024 photos. We are to put it on the internet in the fastest possible time.On 10 of the photo, its very ugly and we need Photoshop to edit it. Graphic designers will then use Photoshop to edit it. See which platform / O.S. is faster. Ok, I don't have the results, but I can assure you that Picasa will pawn iPhoto.... and that Photoshop CS 2 on the PC / Windows is much more efficient than the eye-candy Macintosh OS X. Maybe anandtech or Toms Hardware Guide should do these independent tests and see who is the real champ. I worship Apple for their hardware prowess, I must admit. I just got a 5.5th generation iPod video, and love it to bits. But for Operating System supremacy, I still thing Windows XP is much much better. When it all comes down to it, everyone has their own preference lah, some like latte, some decaf, some mocha. Thank God we have the right to choose. But don't rely on the Mac system for long. Soon enough, we'll all be on Vista (and future Microsoft releases) while Stevie J and Billy G both play golf and enjoy their happy retirement years while their minions continue what they've both started. Only now, both Apple and Microsoft will work in symphony. |
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Nov 18 2006, 04:49 PM
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Dude, Photoshop CS2 isn't even Universal Binary yet on Mac. Of course it will suffer in performance compared to Windows.
QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 18 2006, 04:11 PM) Soon enough, we'll all be on Vista (and future Microsoft releases) while Stevie J and Billy G both play golf and enjoy their happy retirement years while their minions continue what they've both started. Only now, both Apple and Microsoft will work in symphony. Sure dude, since you have so much respect for John C. Dvorak. Recently he said that Windows Vista is only copying ideas from Mac OS X and since Apple is running out of ideas... MS will not have anymore ideas to copy too........ So yeah sure.. future MS releases huh. |
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Nov 18 2006, 06:20 PM
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Why get carried away by comparing WIn Xp and Mac OSX? Without a doubt, Both have their pros and cons. But sometimes, It's not all about the performance. In my opinion it's purely Business.
As we know, 95% computer users are Windows based while the rest are mosty using MAC OSX. This suggest that Dell have lots of direct competitors while Mac(in a away) monopolize their own market. Therefore Mac have the power to set market price while Dell will have to depend on the market trend.Yes, Mac might have overcharged their customers, But THEY CAN AFFORD TO DO SO COZ MAC USER CAN AFFORD TO BUY THEM. Another reason MAC is much more expensive is it's Bundled ORIGINAL OS and SOFTWARES. It's pre installed when you get their Machines and there is noway out of it. It's a smart way to prevent Piracy if u ask me. Though there are still pirated softwares out there, you still have to buy the original at least once from Apple. As the saying goes, "Once you convert,you will never go back". This indicate that Apple are able to satisfy most of their customer since its establishment. Therefore, It's save to say that most of Apple customers are loyal to them. Apple knows that their Product will sell as long as they stay within their current price range. There is no reason to reduce their price matching PC Machines, unless they want to have a larger piece of "pie" which they are doing it with their Intel chipset at the moment. All that Ive Wrote above are based on my personal opinion....So it might not be true by nature as there are too many variables... Some ppl buy Dell some ppl buy Mac.. we are all not in a position to judge each other. Some ppl buy proton some ppl buy BMW, they works the same, bring us from point A to point B. Performance might not be the only reason to choose something. A Pirated LV handbag and an ORiginal one works the same.Some pirated are even better than the originals. But ppl are still buying the expensive stuffs...It all based upon individual preferences and affordability...... Sorry for typing too much... This post has been edited by N0eL: Nov 18 2006, 06:57 PM |
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Nov 18 2006, 07:27 PM
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This debate make me laugh over and over again. People keep on debating about Apple vs Dell and Mac OS vs Microsoft and it never ends. Actually I didn't really get what excit3 try to prove here, wether Windows is better than Mac OS or Dell is better than Apple.
As for me I do care what people say, but all the decision is all on my own. And me, I am getting what is best for me as long I can afford it. I only buy original Levi's and Guess jeans because it comfort me better than 'pirated' one *and I can afford it*. But I didn't buy original club or country jersey because I only wear it when play soccer not when hanging with girls so I think it's not worth it *although I can afford the original one*. Oh yes, some people bought Proton Saga because they can't afford BMW *or* they didn't like BMW. Seriously I've met many people like this. I do admire the HP's laptop, Alienware's PC but I am getting MacBook because it suits me, and I like them. If I have a lot of money, I will surely buy the high-end MBP, high-end PM Xeon, high-end HP Pavillion DV9000T, and Alienware ALX Series I'm sorry if I'm out of topic but guys, get what I am trying to say? It is up to you wether want to throw your bucks on Windows and at the same time donate to Gates Foundation or give it to Apple and at the same time help them developing 'future OS' today Cheers. |
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Nov 18 2006, 11:15 PM
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Closing arguments
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Lets just settle it this way. I had too much Dell / Microsoft kool-aid. You guys have too much Apple kool-aid. Fan-boyism cannot be cured. Its a disease. Just buy whatever suits you. But I'm sure deep down you have you own meaning and definition of "value" and "worth". |
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Nov 19 2006, 12:15 AM
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yeah...why argue when it is not your money to buy it?
it's all about preferences on the system. about photoshop cs2...if you are a frequent editor,you will know the reason. no more arguing .thanks |
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Nov 19 2006, 12:23 AM
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What makes you think I DON'T DO Photoshop for my bread and butter????
Are you insulting the 80% of professional Photoshop users on Wintel machines worldwide? I don't care if you're using the Linux Photoshop equivalent. I'm just pointing out that a 17" dell with same specs costs much much much lesser. Its up to you whether you wanna be screwed in all of this. I'm not forcing, really..... |
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Nov 19 2006, 10:56 AM
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@excit3: I'm not even arguing. I'm just quoting what is Dvorak saying since you are quoting him saying Mac's will all run Vista soon. Oh btw, I happen to have actually listened to that episode of TWiT podcast of Dvorak discussing about it. That episode is a few months back and what Dvorak said was he's actually SUGGESTING Apple should just concentrate on making the hardware and just install Vista on them. This was because Apple's lead NeXT designer has moved over to work at Microsoft so Dvorak was thinking that Mac OS X may have come to an end. (I personally do not think so.)
And btw, I'm not an Apple FANBOY. Here in aus, I have one AMD machine running Windows XP and Vista (yes the Final Ultimate version - it's out in the wilds). Back in my home in Malaysia I have 1 AMD machine and 1 INTEL machine. I have only a MacBook Pro over here. All in all, I STILL use Windows regularly - mostly for games. I use my MBP mostly for coding and net stuff. In my opinion, Mac is a far much better platform for coding. Windows is a better platform for games. That is all, this is my closing argument. |
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Nov 19 2006, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 18 2006, 03:35 PM) I think what's gonna happen is that in 5 years time Mac OS X will be gone, forever. There will be no more future upgrades. Since all the Macs then would be running on Intel, basically, Apple will be running Windows Vista underpinnings but provide a "mod" to make it feel like the Mac. So essentially, you can have FrontRow.exe and iLife.exe but everything will be running on Windows Vista. That's like predicting that the whole UNIX base will be gone. I doubt that'll happen. Alternate OSes is where it's all at. Sure, I've been a steadfast user of Microsoft's products, but I can see that there's plenty of life left in the UNIX camp. Mac OS will continue to thrive. |
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QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 18 2006, 11:15 PM) Closing arguments If u think carefully, this conclusion is already there before you start this thread/argument. Lets just settle it this way. I had too much Dell / Microsoft kool-aid. You guys have too much Apple kool-aid. Fan-boyism cannot be cured. Its a disease. Just buy whatever suits you. But I'm sure deep down you have you own meaning and definition of "value" and "worth". |
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Nov 19 2006, 10:23 PM
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i wonder what you guys get if you guys win this battle?
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Nov 19 2006, 10:38 PM
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What's the point of debate, just a matter of budget, someone with a budget of RM5k can get a Dell, HP, Apple or whatever, he can even buy a whole lot of bananas with it, its his choice of what he likes.
We Mac users love our Macs, we dont hate Dell, but its just not comparable, its like how can you compare RM5k worth or bananas with a RM5k computer? |
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Nov 19 2006, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(vandetta @ Nov 18 2006, 07:27 PM) As for me I do care what people say, but all the decision is all on my own. And me, I am getting what is best for me as long I can afford it. I only buy original Levi's and Guess jeans because it comfort me better than 'pirated' one *and I can afford it*. But I didn't buy original club or country jersey because I only wear it when play soccer not when hanging with girls so I think it's not worth it *although I can afford the original one*. Oh yes, some people bought Proton Saga because they can't afford BMW *or* they didn't like BMW. Seriously I've met many people like this. Yup, just get what's best. At a point, i felt that I would be better off with Windows, so I continued using it, but I seriously do miss some stuff that the Mac has to offer - so for me, get the MBP, best of both world.QUOTE(ifer @ Nov 19 2006, 10:23 PM) i wonder what you guys get if you guys win this battle? Nothing, probably some anger here and there while reading/replying other's reply. |
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Nov 20 2006, 03:34 AM
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Any of you guys know any promotions for the macBooks c2d in KL ?
Is there other shops that sell Macbooks cheaper then the usual price ? Thankz! |
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Nov 20 2006, 04:45 AM
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Apple dont do such things, only possibilities are free gifts or rebates for buying other Apple products. Otherwise its student discounts out of Malaysia.
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Nov 20 2006, 09:16 AM
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Nov 20 2006, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE(cazed @ Nov 20 2006, 03:34 AM) Any of you guys know any promotions for the macBooks c2d in KL ? PC fair is just around the corner. I'm sure they gonna have promo for it. Not too sure for the new C2D though as it's new. I'm guessing that their promo should be release by next week. Gonna get myself eitiher a macbook or pro depending on the promo.Is there other shops that sell Macbooks cheaper then the usual price ? Thankz! |
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Nov 21 2006, 09:05 PM
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excit3, do you even own a Mac? Or have at least used OS X to a certain degree? I've met a ton of MS fanboys like ya and frankly, it's all empty talk based on what you have read (articles of other people... better put, blind fanboys much like yourself, Paul Thurott comes to mind...), instead of your own experience. Oh go on, make one up then. Stereotypical fanboy behaviour. Can't be wrong, always right.
Maybe I'm not even worthy to make this statement, but ever since the first time I saw the Tiger welcome video I told myself- this is the beginning of computing bliss for ya man, no more dealing and putting up with bullshit... I've never booted back into Windows since. I just can't stand it anymore.The feeling's just not the same. Give it as chance, experience Macs first hand, without bias or prejudice against the platform. |
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Nov 21 2006, 09:06 PM
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Well actually I have a touch on the Core 2 Duo MacBook Black at CG Computers. I didn't really see a visible difference in the performance. Speed on rendering video is still almost the same.
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Nov 22 2006, 01:24 AM
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o_O; They don't even have C2D MBPs in stock yet, and they have C2D MBs already? That's surprising.
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Nov 22 2006, 09:55 AM
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cg is kinda fast, few days after the c2d mbp was released, they already started taking pre-orders..i think the c2d mbp was there in a few weeks time only.
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Nov 22 2006, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(R-K-F @ Nov 21 2006, 09:05 PM) excit3, do you even own a Mac? Or have at least used OS X to a certain degree? I've met a ton of MS fanboys like ya and frankly, it's all empty talk based on what you have read (articles of other people... better put, blind fanboys much like yourself, Paul Thurott comes to mind...), instead of your own experience. Oh go on, make one up then. Stereotypical fanboy behaviour. Can't be wrong, always right. RKF, you JUST got to bring up the fan-boy argument despite ME being so objective, rational, unbiased and impartial!Maybe I'm not even worthy to make this statement, but ever since the first time I saw the Tiger welcome video I told myself- this is the beginning of computing bliss for ya man, no more dealing and putting up with bullshit... I've never booted back into Windows since. I just can't stand it anymore.The feeling's just not the same. Give it as chance, experience Macs first hand, without bias or prejudice against the platform. Of course I don't go ke-tuk any stupid Operating System. Sure, Mac OS X is unix, its ROCK STABLE (ahem.. just Youtube.com, and you'll see lots of Mac OS X problems!) but its all EYE CANDY, ok? Just pretty graphics slowing down the overall operating system. Windows XP is less graphics eye-candy-esq.... therefore it is faster. I used to use Hotline to download Mac OS X BETA (that's even before public beta) on my trusty Beige G3/233MHz (costing me RM 12,000 at that time with upgraded parts). Seriously, I'm a hard core Mac user. You are a Mac Fan Boy. Period. I've touched Mac OS X 10.0, 10.1 (i skipped 10.2 and 10.3) but I played with 10.4 and the latest 10.4.8 and the 10.5 leaked copies.. I got ALL OF THEM. I know how the Mac works and I know that... - - - > a Dell laptop with similar config: RM 8000 < - - - - - - > a Mac book Pro costs RM 11,000 < - - - If you can afford the Mac Book Pro, go for it. My arguments thus far, is that, how on earth can you justify a RM 3,000 + differences between these two laptops? I'm thinking of buying one; but can't see a reason to buy a Mac. Maybe you can enlighten me. |
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Nov 23 2006, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 22 2006, 09:39 PM) My arguments thus far, is that, how on earth can you justify a RM 3,000 + differences between these two laptops? I'm thinking of buying one; but can't see a reason to buy a Mac. Maybe you can enlighten me. it's true... i am planning to get a more powerful laptop after CNY and what you had mentioned about upgrading the DELL do make me think about this issue.my main concern is the screen and the RAM of the laptops. i am still using the photoshop 7 and i do not fancy using the CSes (yet). oh! nikon capture NX also. but seeing that you mentioned about upgrading the RAMs to 2GB and changing the graphic cards to whatever you mentioned there... i do see your point. mind you, i am a noob when it comes to technical stuffs... therefore, all those numbers and models don't really affect me! lolx but you argued that there is a RM 3,000 difference and to be honest, it's a lot of money. if it's rm 300, i dont mind paying it for the sake of the james bond-ish design but seeing that i am more particular in getting my photographs done effectively, rather than showing it off... RM 3,000 can get me a... another lens for my camera. or i can keep it in the bank and start to accumulate interest from it... lolx |
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Nov 23 2006, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 22 2006, 09:39 PM) Of course I don't go ke-tuk any stupid Operating System. Sure, Mac OS X is unix, its ROCK STABLE (ahem.. just Youtube.com, and you'll see lots of Mac OS X problems!) but its all EYE CANDY, ok? Just pretty graphics slowing down the overall operating system. Windows XP is less graphics eye-candy-esq.... therefore it is faster. I dont think Windows XP is faster in anyway, cause you are again not comparing the same thing. Look at Vista, offering the similar thing as Mac OSX, but the processor and memory requirements are way higher than Mac OSX. Try running Vista with the same spec as what we are running Mac OSX with and see which one is faster.Mac OSX had achieved higher standards with lower requirements where Windows are not capable of, yet. |
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Nov 23 2006, 03:58 PM
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If we're going to keep talking about operating systems, take a look here: http://www.xvsxp.com/
Fair enough? Pretty objective ratings if you ask me. I'll get the MBP for the design. Find me a Dell that packs the power of the MBP into a 1" thin chassis, includes a VGA webcam that'll take great stills, and has similar battery life. Rather, find me any laptop that'll match up to those specs. The design is unique, the OS looks beautiful and is also quite functional, and Boot Camp makes it possible to have Microsoft Windows functionality on the sexiest hardware around. |
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Nov 23 2006, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 22 2006, 09:39 PM) RKF, you JUST got to bring up the fan-boy argument despite ME being so objective, rational, unbiased and impartial! Right. By getting all worked up over a small issue. Over the net.  I can literally feel you shouting. Chill, you look pathetic.QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 22 2006, 09:39 PM) Of course I don't go ke-tuk any stupid Operating System. Sure, Mac OS X is unix, its ROCK STABLE (ahem.. just Youtube.com, and you'll see lots of Mac OS X problems!) but its all EYE CANDY, ok? Just pretty graphics slowing down the overall operating system. Windows XP is less graphics eye-candy-esq.... therefore it is faster. For a hardcore Mac user you sure are ignorant, or you're just lying through your bare teeth. I presume the latter to be the case. 1. Have I ever said anything 'bout OSX being "perfect", or "rock stable"? I love it because it is just so much more usable. You can feel much thought has been put into overall user experience, just by using it for a while. As for problems I have hit a few quirks, such as Apps not launching, forever bouncing in the Dock; 100% CPU lockups, Force Quit doing nothing, etc. I don't claim it to be bug free, or perfect- nothing is flawless. 2. Also, it's funny how you assume it would be "stable" just because it "uses unix" (actually, a variant of BSD- Darwin). I've never had a problem with OSX's underlying *nix core.. haven't had a kernel panic, yet. Apps do crash, but they don't bring down the whole OS. Instead of mentioning problems you've encountered- you reference youtube- hardly a reliable source for proof. Strange for a "hardcore mac user" eh? 3. I suggest you read up on OSX's Quartz Compositor/Extreme windowing system, and why MS decided to make Vista's "new" DWM based on that. And how XP's window manager pales in comparison. Just because something is well designed doesn't mean it is *slow*. It's like saying beautiful, CSS-based sites suffers the same problems as age-old Flash sites. On the contrary! CSS was mass adopted so sites would render faster in browsers, while still maintaining overall aesthetics and control. The same goes for OSX. QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 22 2006, 09:39 PM) My arguments thus far, is that, how on earth can you justify a RM 3,000 + differences between these two laptops? I'm thinking of buying one; but can't see a reason to buy a Mac. Maybe you can enlighten me. Being a hardcore Mac user you don't know that? Wow. |
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Nov 23 2006, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 22 2006, 09:39 PM) - - - > a Dell laptop with similar config: RM 8000 < - - - Like I mentioned on your other thread:-- - - > a Mac book Pro costs RM 11,000 < - - - If you can afford the Mac Book Pro, go for it. My arguments thus far, is that, how on earth can you justify a RM 3,000 + differences between these two laptops? I'm thinking of buying one; but can't see a reason to buy a Mac. Maybe you can enlighten me. I tried customizing a Dell Inspiron 9400 17 inch to compare with MBP 17 inch and problems are:- 1. I cant even customize the Dell to 2.33 C2D, max was 2.16; 2. The Dell offers the X1400 graphics, whereas MBP X1600; 3. Dell's height 1.6 inches vs MBP's 1 inch, Dell's width 15.5 inches vs MBP's 14.1 inches, Dell's depth 11.3 inches vs MBP's 9.6 inches, Dell's weight STARTS at 3.49kg vs MBP's 3.1kg; 4. MBP's backlight keyboard and Apple remote vs Dell's err.. nothing? 5. And with all these differences the Dell's already RM8k+ vs MBP RM10k; and 6. 10 out of 10 would definately agree that the MBP's design and build quality is way better than the Dell. Anyway this is not meant to be a comparison, just curiosity, cause Apple and Dell is just not comparable, ppl buy Apple for its quality and design, and the only reason ppl buy Dell? CHEAP... |
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Nov 23 2006, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(civic98 @ Nov 23 2006, 06:44 PM) 3. Dell's height 1.6 inches vs MBP's 1 inch, Dell's width 15.5 inches vs MBP's 14.1 inches, Dell's depth 11.3 inches vs MBP's 9.6 inches, Dell's weight STARTS at 3.49kg vs MBP's 3.1kg; Right on.. sometimes I can't believe people overlook this and get stuck with a gigantic beast of a "laptop".. |
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Nov 24 2006, 08:44 AM
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Some people never get past the stage where they just HAVE to get out the measuring tape to see who has the bigger/better/sexier/more-value-for-money thingamajig. It was amusing in the kindergarten playground, it was funny in school when you'd compare pencilboxes, it was hilarious in university where you'd brag about girls...
...but it's just sad on this forum when you argue about computers.... Get a life guys... Buy what you can afford, don't give a damn about what others think, but make a wise decision based on the tasks that you need to accomplish with your computer. |
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Nov 25 2006, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(MacDaNife @ Nov 24 2006, 08:44 AM) Some people never get past the stage where they just HAVE to get out the measuring tape to see who has the bigger/better/sexier/more-value-for-money thingamajig. It was amusing in the kindergarten playground, it was funny in school when you'd compare pencilboxes, it was hilarious in university where you'd brag about girls... yeah agree man. Depends on how you plan to use your comp and also what its for. Then, you'll be able to decide which is the model for you. Dell definitely cheap, but the parts might not be so reliable especially the recent battery burn thing. ...but it's just sad on this forum when you argue about computers.... Get a life guys... Buy what you can afford, don't give a damn about what others think, but make a wise decision based on the tasks that you need to accomplish with your computer. Apple is alwiz classy, clean-sexy looks and premium is the word, coz it offers better specs too. However, since it adopts Intel, I never hear much good things about it, especially rendering huge ads, even with 2gb of memory. |
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Nov 25 2006, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(jy14 @ Nov 25 2006, 11:36 AM) However, since it adopts Intel, I never hear much good things about it, especially rendering huge ads, even with 2gb of memory. Because it's running thru Rosetta .. Wait till universal binary code thingy ... |
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Nov 25 2006, 06:41 PM
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Hey Apple's site reports 7x speed increases! That's 700%! Like, a jump from 7 to 700!
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Nov 25 2006, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(jy14 @ Nov 25 2006, 11:36 AM) yeah agree man. Depends on how you plan to use your comp and also what its for. Then, you'll be able to decide which is the model for you. Dell definitely cheap, but the parts might not be so reliable especially the recent battery burn thing. Sorry, but you're incorrect regarding the battery issue. It's not limited to Dell laptops only. In fact, there have been reports of Powerbooks going up in flames as well. Blame Sony for production faults in the batteries. |
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Nov 25 2006, 10:15 PM
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macbook can do boot camp o not ?
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Nov 25 2006, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE(j3rry @ Nov 25 2006, 10:15 PM) macbook can do boot camp o not ? All Intel-based Macs does Boot Camp. |
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Nov 25 2006, 11:52 PM
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Thinking of getting macbook in Jan or Feb (if all goes well
), is there any Mac dealer outside KL or Penang? and also im planning to get the 1.83ghz version so izzit better to upgrade the ram to 1gb myself (buy from outside and install sendiri) or ask the apple peeps to do it (buy from apple and they install it)  Im in Ipoh btw  |
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Nov 25 2006, 11:52 PM
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To its credit, OSX is stable, but it DOES CRASH.
I've gotten a few kernel panics before. Ironically, while running a beta of MSN Messenger. The screen freezes and gives you this screen in multiple languages (asking you to pray or something that your data is not gone). OSX DOES CRASH there. said it. Windows XP, prior to service pack 2, was a mess. I used to reinstall every 3 months as my Inspiron is online 24/7 and is used to surf heavily. Corrupted regsitries, malware, viruses etc. But, now, after Windows XP sp2 update, windows XP is stable. Dont recall any crashes after sp2. Never had any viruses either. Just using free antivirus, and built in Windows firewall. Id say, currently, my iBook and Inspiron are equally stable. That's OSX 10.3.9 and XP sp2 (both latest update w/ all security patches) But my Inspiron does so much more than my iBook. Face it: Apple has some serious compatibility problems. Was a nightmare getting it to work with my printer. |
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Nov 26 2006, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(Mike3300 @ Nov 25 2006, 10:56 PM) All Intel-based Macs does Boot Camp. does the macbook feel any laggy cause the video ram jz 64mb ?? |
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Nov 26 2006, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE(j3rry @ Nov 26 2006, 10:52 PM) does the macbook feel any laggy cause the video ram jz 64mb ?? No, unless your into gaming ... |
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Nov 26 2006, 11:29 PM
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Nov 25 2006, 11:54 PM) To its credit, OSX is stable, but it DOES CRASH. How bout yr letting yr printer work under BootCamp??I've gotten a few kernel panics before. Ironically, while running a beta of MSN Messenger. The screen freezes and gives you this screen in multiple languages (asking you to pray or something that your data is not gone). OSX DOES CRASH there. said it. Windows XP, prior to service pack 2, was a mess. I used to reinstall every 3 months as my Inspiron is online 24/7 and is used to surf heavily. Corrupted regsitries, malware, viruses etc. But, now, after Windows XP sp2 update, windows XP is stable. Dont recall any crashes after sp2. Never had any viruses either. Just using free antivirus, and built in Windows firewall. Id say, currently, my iBook and Inspiron are equally stable. That's OSX 10.3.9 and XP sp2 (both latest update w/ all security patches) But my Inspiron does so much more than my iBook. Face it: Apple has some serious compatibility problems. Was a nightmare getting it to work with my printer. Will it be the same as all normal windows PC, jz have to install windows' driver for it?? I was thinking of getting a MacBook for my college studies next year as I like the OS and the design after my last visit to the Apple booth in PC fair. Dat guy promoter did a great job explaining and showing everything to me. Well, I can say I was quite impressed. But thinking of compability issue, I didn't thought of it until I see this post. But what more stuff do I need to plug onto a Mac to make it run smoothly other than a printer and modem/router?? Those USB stuff such as pendrive or card reader should work fine without any hassle......a webcam is included for u alreadi.....so anything else?? If not, worst case scenario will be my printer won't print for a Mac. Network stuff should be easy...... Plz let me knw yr opinion, thx. This post has been edited by evilhomura89: Nov 26 2006, 11:31 PM |
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Nov 26 2006, 11:47 PM
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Under Windows XP SP2, you'll have to simply install a printer driver to use the printer. If it's a network printer things should be easier. Mac OS X is pretty friendly with its included batch of drivers.
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Nov 27 2006, 12:07 AM
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My Macbook alr has all the drivers necessary for any printer in OSX when i bought it. Just let the dealer know what printer you will be using, usually everything is in, my dealer just told me where to delete the ones that I dont need, IF i need more space that is..
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Nov 27 2006, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(civic98 @ Nov 23 2006, 06:44 PM) Apple and Dell is just not comparable, ppl buy Apple for its quality and design, and the only reason ppl buy Dell? CHEAP... People buy Apple for it's design, maybe, if you are talking of design, you should check out the Sony Vaio's, much better than any Apple laptops, of course, not all the Vaio models, heck, even these days companies are starting to come out with beautiful looking laptops, in US you have Alienware and that sort of thing, anytime better than any Apple laptop design.Quality, those days are fading slowly....I had problems with my PowerBook, iBook's have mediocre build quality, MacBooks and MacBook Pro's have tonnes of quality problems, probably so many never seen in a particular model of a product, check out http://www.appledefects.com/ and http://www.appledefects.com/wiki or http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook_Pro or http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook |
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Macbook Core 2 Duo is value (in the mac world). that's my next purchase.. up yours vista. Problem is, why isn't there education discount? That sucks big time.
civic98, i have to disagree with you. Dell is not cheap. Dell is affordable. Dell has uber service and support which is unparalleled. The likes of Fujitsu, HP/Compaq can't even come close. I speak from experience. I am curious however, as to Apple's warranty policy. anybody with experience on the Macbook? |
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Nov 27 2006, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(n20nine @ Nov 27 2006, 12:53 PM) People buy Apple for it's design, maybe, if you are talking of design, you should check out the Sony Vaio's, much better than any Apple laptops, of course, not all the Vaio models, heck, even these days companies are starting to come out with beautiful looking laptops, in US you have Alienware and that sort of thing, anytime better than any Apple laptop design. Friend, I'm not sure you read properly or not, I said Apple and DELL are not comparable, didnt mention anything about Sony or Alienware. 110% sure Apple's design is better than Dell's! Didnt even mention Apple's design is better compared to Sony or Alienware. I'm well aware of Sony's designs and its PRICE also ok but it was never in the context if you dont realise that alr.Quality, those days are fading slowly....I had problems with my PowerBook, iBook's have mediocre build quality, MacBooks and MacBook Pro's have tonnes of quality problems, probably so many never seen in a particular model of a product, check out http://www.appledefects.com/ and http://www.appledefects.com/wiki or http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook_Pro or http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook Every product is subjected to defects, so? Manufacturers, ALL manufacturers learn from mistakes and improve on its products as and when defects are detected. If you are going to start another notebok comparison between Apple & any other brand, I'm sorry, its not my expertise, and I dont work for Apple. FYI: http://www.asq.org/quality-report/reports/20060815.html#what QUOTE Dell's gain this quarter lifted it past rival Hewlett-Packard in terms of quality as perceived by customers. However, Dell still trails the quality leader in the personal computer industry-Apple-by a significant margin. And this: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061016/nym167.html?.v=64Apple's strong sales of Macintosh computers boosted profit 48% in the quarter ended July 1. This occurred while Apple completed the transition of its personal computers to microprocessors made by Intel-a major change made without any apparent quality glitches. QUOTE The Report calculated the following "Reliability Scores" for each computer vendor based on the percentage difference between their overall U.S. market share and the percentage of calls into the RESCUECOM call center about the particular computer vendor. The higher the score, the less likely it was that calls about the specific computer vendor to the RESCUECOM call center were received (scores are in parentheses). * IBM/Lenovo (243) * Apple (201) * HP/Compaq (12) * Dell (4) * Gateway (-12) * Others (-16) QUOTE(Jason @ Nov 27 2006, 02:12 PM) civic98, i have to disagree with you. Dell is not cheap. Dell is affordable. Dell has uber service and support which is unparalleled. The likes of Fujitsu, HP/Compaq can't even come close. I speak from experience. Dude, cheap / affordable / value for money / lower price etc is the same lar, what is there not to agree with? Dell's prices are obviously lower than most brands ok? Tell me you dont agree to this! I mentioned this many times but ppl seems to forget that Dell make up for its quality by providing better customer service, I'm not saying its a bad thing, but its nothing to shout about. You just cant compare quality and service in the same category, yes perhaps Dell will score in service level, but quality? I doubt it will compared to other brands.This post has been edited by civic98: Nov 27 2006, 03:41 PM |
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Nov 27 2006, 03:54 PM
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Alienware is owned by Dell. :|
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Nov 28 2006, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Nov 27 2006, 03:54 PM) Alienware is owned by Dell. :| Sad Case. Now dell using alienware's expertise, not original idea. |
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Nov 28 2006, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE(jy14 @ Nov 28 2006, 03:03 AM) Sad Case. Now dell using alienware's expertise, not original idea. And what exactly were the "original ideas" contributed by Alienware?They just put together off-the-shelf parts in a custom case with an overclock. Hardly cutting-edge technology. And only appealing to noobs with an inability to DIY. |
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Nov 28 2006, 09:40 AM
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Dell dont even have their own R&D, they just click and attach things together. And what have they learned from Alienware?
At least Proton got suspension expertise from Lotus. |
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Nov 28 2006, 09:44 AM
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haha...first Windows vs. Mac OS, now Apple vs. Dell vs. Alienware...ok i guess we shall stop now. So, anyone got their hands on the c2d macbook?
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Nov 28 2006, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(civic98 @ Nov 27 2006, 02:50 PM) Dude, cheap / affordable / value for money / lower price etc is the same lar, what is there not to agree with? Dell's prices are obviously lower than most brands ok? Tell me you dont agree to this! I mentioned this many times but ppl seems to forget that Dell make up for its quality by providing better customer service, I'm not saying its a bad thing, but its nothing to shout about. You just cant compare quality and service in the same category, yes perhaps Dell will score in service level, but quality? I doubt it will compared to other brands. i never said it was good quality. but i'll say that it is average and it has its flaws. and going back to Macbook, how's Apple's service & support like? |
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Nov 28 2006, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(n20nine @ Nov 28 2006, 09:44 AM) haha...first Windows vs. Mac OS, now Apple vs. Dell vs. Alienware...ok i guess we shall stop now. So, anyone got their hands on the c2d macbook? having one set soon. but not mine helping fren to get it. |
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Nov 28 2006, 10:51 AM
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wei : well, play with it and test it out before handing it over to your friend
the smell of a new hardware is nice...just love to hold anything new i buy near my nose and smell it well, service and support, i had an unpleasant experience so far. the toll free guy was useless, barely able to speak proper english and did not understand what i was trying to say, no helpful at all. resorted to CG Computers, my local dealer. They were terrible at first. Promises unkept, not bothered, tidak apa attitude, until one day i got so pissed and emailed the owner telling him i am complaining to Apple HQ, then only my problem was given proper attention too. They were biased at times, but can't blame them as most of them there at that time were part-timers without any training (one of my friend is a part-timer and he says that CG does not provide training). But I guess things have changed these days. Nowadays, I see people there with lotsa knowledge and with the proper attitude and always willing to help. Hope this continues. MacAsia at Ikano PowerCentre, have horrible customer relations, they just don't bother as though you are invisible to them. The Apple shop at MidValley is OK. This is what I can give based on my personal experience. Others may have different experience probably due to being attended by different people. This post has been edited by n20nine: Nov 28 2006, 10:52 AM |
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Nov 28 2006, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(Jason @ Nov 28 2006, 10:40 AM) i never said it was good quality. Hmm.. No experience with them yet, happy to say nothing has gone wrong till i need their support. And hope it remains that way but i'll say that it is average and it has its flaws. and going back to Macbook, how's Apple's service & support like? |
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Nov 28 2006, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(n20nine @ Nov 28 2006, 10:51 AM) MacAsia at Ikano PowerCentre, have horrible customer relations, they just don't bother as though you are invisible to them. i second that. |
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Nov 28 2006, 12:03 PM
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The apple center at Ikano belongs to MacStudio....Macasia branches are located at 1U, BSC, Pyramid and Great Eastern Mall...
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Nov 28 2006, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(n20nine @ Nov 28 2006, 10:51 AM) wei : well, play with it and test it out before handing it over to your friend cannot dude, friend demanded to be delivered untouched the smell of a new hardware is nice...just love to hold anything new i buy near my nose and smell it |
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Nov 28 2006, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(n20nine @ Nov 28 2006, 10:51 AM) MacAsia at Ikano PowerCentre, have horrible customer relations, they just don't bother as though you are invisible to them. The Apple shop at MidValley is OK. i angkat kaki to agree as well....ikano's apple shop sucks big time..the employees there will be busy playing with the mac instead of trying to help customers.. sent my ipod for warranty at the apple shop at midvalley..service was satisfactory.. been to the apple shop in the curve...the guy was very informative and was very helpful... thumbs up for apple shop in the curve...  1U was satisfactory as well.. haha |
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Nov 28 2006, 03:27 PM
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FYI, the store in Ikano is NOT macasia. they are Mac Studio, same chain that open ipod station & LowYat apple reseller. And 2nd thing, the store in Ikano no longer listed as Apple Center. They're just an IT store that carry apple products now.
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Nov 28 2006, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(civic98 @ Nov 27 2006, 02:50 PM) Dude, cheap / affordable / value for money / lower price etc is the same lar, what is there not to agree with? Dell's prices are obviously lower than most brands ok? Tell me you dont agree to this! I mentioned this many times but ppl seems to forget that Dell make up for its quality by providing better customer service, I'm not saying its a bad thing, but its nothing to shout about. You just cant compare quality and service in the same category, yes perhaps Dell will score in service level, but quality? I doubt it will compared to other brands. Civic, it's not so much an issue with the dictionary definition of the words, more one with the connotation. If a friend calls you cheap, you're likely to take offense. It is, however, perfectly acceptable to call someone thrifty or shrewd with money management.I wouldn't go so far as to say that Dell manufactures and sells low quality products. I haven't had a single bad experience with them. Yes, it's seen as more of an affordable computer brand that anyone can pick up, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. |
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Dec 1 2006, 06:47 AM
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noobs here...
any possibility that mbp will be using quad core(2 core2duo)??? wahhhhh!!! |
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Dec 1 2006, 10:26 AM
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haha, i doubt, quad core = high power consumption = lower battery life = additional heat produced....nope...
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Dec 1 2006, 11:45 AM
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Core 2 Quad desktop version is on the way. I bet mobile version will follow too.
link. but when is a big question. |
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Dec 1 2006, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(n20nine @ Dec 1 2006, 11:26 AM) haha, i doubt, quad core = high power consumption = lower battery life = additional heat produced....nope... I'm sure it will.. Desktop got C2D, lappie also got C2D. IINM, next year will release new cell for battery. Longer battery life  |
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Dec 1 2006, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(n20nine @ Dec 1 2006, 10:26 AM) haha, i doubt, quad core = high power consumption = lower battery life = additional heat produced....nope... i hope apple will find a solution cos i heard that c2d temperature is quite hot... |
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Dec 1 2006, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(wei @ Dec 1 2006, 11:45 AM) Core 2 Quad desktop version is on the way. I bet mobile version will follow too. it says on the 2nd quarter of 07...link. but when is a big question. but dunno the real release date... |
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Dec 1 2006, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(wei @ Nov 28 2006, 12:04 PM) cannot dude, friend demanded to be delivered untouched ehehehe...... not only untouched but also better sealed right  |
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