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 NVIDIA GeForce Community V15 (new era pascal), ALL HAIL NEW PASCAL KING GTX1080 out now

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post Jun 7 2016, 05:51 PM

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Sell my butt 10 times also cannot buy that Predator

might as well get another 1080 and SLI it

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post Jun 7 2016, 05:52 PM

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i'll pick oled 1080p any day
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QUOTE(scchan107 @ Jun 7 2016, 05:42 PM)
Any recommended 1440p@120hz(or 144hz) monitor?

Currently poorfag looking at Dell U2515H  cry.gif
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What's your budget?

The thing you have to understand is, if one have to spend a lot for a 4k monitor, why not just spend a little more for 1440p at higher refresh rates? A higher refresh rate is a much more substantial upgrade over higher resolution.


QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 7 2016, 05:52 PM)
i'll pick oled 1080p any day
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I wouldn't mind a 1080p OLED @ 144hz + Gysnc. I'd jump on it.
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QUOTE(Demonic Wrath @ Jun 7 2016, 04:56 PM)
4K monitors is 3840 x 2160, not 3440 x 2160.

3440 x 2160 is not exactly 4x 1920 x 1080... 3840 x 2160 is exact 4x of 1920 x 1080.

I think you meant it is not 4096 x 2160 (4K)  smile.gif

A more accurate would be 2160p. Since {height}p nomenclature is almost always referring to 16:9 aspect screens.
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Actually la, monitors and TV are called 4K UHD.

Native 4K is 4096 x 2160, that is correct but it's not 16:9 ratio, and not exact 4x Full HD.

So 4K UHD is the one that's 4x Full HD.
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talking bout 1440p gsync
which is a good one/price/performance?
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Gaming on my 4 year old Series 6 Samsung TV seems to be ok but the lag and the delay is very noticeable especially at fast moving scenes. Playing DS3, I performed a roll but still get caught because of the delayyyy! Contemplating on getting a monitor but thinking to upgrade my TV instead. Just waiting until they announce the retail price for the 1070.
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post Jun 7 2016, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(adilz @ Jun 7 2016, 03:28 PM)
Assume you one one 27" 1080P monitor and another 27" 4K monitor, well the 1080P video will look the same in both. But if you run 4K content, it will look sharper on the 4K monitor than it will be on 1080P monitor. Sharpness depend on monitor size and res, and the of course the resulation of the content.

My 5.5inch phone screen with 1920x1080p res looks sharper than my Samsung 28" 3840 x 2160p monitor. Why? Coz the phone crams 400ppi whereas the monitor only 153ppi.  A 28" FHD will only hacve 78.68 ppi. You can calculate ppi for any given screen size and resoution from this website https://www.sven.de/dpi/
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only 4k i saw was on a 51'' HDTV becauz was considering whether to get 4k tv or not, whether any point for astro content hmm.gif Looked nice but i'm sure the demos were running 4k content.

so watching on 1440p 1080p stuff won't add more black bars will it? hmm.gif

i'm using a dell u2413 24'' GBR monitor. colors look great, though for gaming it lacks gsync so stuck at 60hz refresh using triple vsync buffering....

also my table top can't fit a bigger monitor, as well as the existing 24'' is plenty big enough for my vision... so i don't particularly feel the need for going up to 27'' and above.... also the other reason, 1440p required a more stronger card to run in ultra settings at native reso, but for pascal this is not an issue any longer. even a 980ti was pretty acceptable, but i did not hop on that bandwagon.


QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 7 2016, 04:45 PM)
3440x2160 is an EXACT 4 times increament of resolution over 1920x1080. All a monitor or TV need to do is to quadruple the FHD image into UHD without any further calculations. This is different to when 480p was upscaled to 1080p, or 720p going to 1080p. Neither 720p or 480p were linear increase in pixel count when being upscaled to 1080p, which is why 480p often looks like horseshit in FHD (even with the best post-processing scaler).


1080p looks like 1080p on a "4k" screen because it's a linear increase, not because your "screen looks smaller". You can play a 1080p image on a 120" screen through a 4k projector, you'll actually see next to no difference between that and a 1080p projector to a 120" screen assuming all post-processing are disabled. Of course, the 4k projector would have much more advanced technologies to further boost a 1080p image to look even better than it originally did. This goes the same for most of the high-end "4" (UHD) TVs on the market now a days.


did not know this hmm.gif but does resolve some of my concerns going for higher reso...


QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 7 2016, 04:45 PM)
All a smaller screen does is that it has much higher ppi/dpi, which will help mask aliasing issues, giving a perception things look sharper and better. The latter of which is actually down to panel quality as small panels are much more easier to produce in high quality than big panels are.
this i did know. and was why i stuck to a reso closer to 1080p because of this very reason.


QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 7 2016, 04:45 PM)
As a side note, instead of aiming to go for 4k60p, I heavily recommend people to go for a 1440p (QHD) at much higher refresh rates if gaming on PC is the main target. 1440p at 120hz (or 144hz) is a whole new level of improvement IMO. Even better if one can have Gsync, that's godlike upgrade there.

I'll keep drilling this point, 1440p @ 120hz (or 144hz) with Gysnc is the best sweetspot for PC gaming now. 4k60p is just 1080p60 with sharper visuals, of which does almost nothing to improve gameplay.
yeah i forgot this point. as far as i know 4k is capped at 60... compared to 1440p reso monitors that reach up to 144hz... if not mistaken hmm.gif

for a gamer they may prefer faster refresh.... i would anyway sweat.gif




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here is a review of the 1070 that explores the question, should the bang for buck user skip over the 1080 and go for the 1070?

read here
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/06/06/..._edition_review

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The Bottom Line

The most important aspect to take away from the launch of the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Founders Edition is the fact that NVIDIA has taken what use to be $649 video card performance (GTX 980 Ti/R9 Fury X) and brought it down to $379-$449 price point. That is at least a $200 reduction, for performance that just a month ago was the fastest you could buy.

Bringing that level of performance down to a more affordable price for everyone allows more people to jump on the high-performance bandwagon. For the new games coming out this year, that gameplay experience improvement will be welcomed.

AMD doesn't yet have a response to the GeForce GTX 1070 Founders Edition at this price segment. Sometimes we give the opinion that you should wait and see what the competition brings. However, with AMD focusing on the $200 price segment with the Radeon RX 480 at the end of the month, it leaves a wide gap open right now and NVIDIA on the top side of gaming performance.

If you are coming from an older GPU, the GeForce GTX 1070 Founders Edition or add-in-board partner video cards might be right up your alley for a video card that performs, but won't break the bank at the same time. The only thing we have to do now is wait and see on June 10th if availability and price gouging are an issue like we have seen with the GTX 1080.


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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jun 7 2016, 06:53 PM)
here is a review of the 1070 that explores the question, should the bang for buck user skip over the 1080 and go for the 1070?

read here
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/06/06/..._edition_review
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Haha well fkin said

I think 1070 will be spiritual successor 2 my 770 soon

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post Jun 7 2016, 07:35 PM

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For 27" monitor and at 30" viewing distance, going higher than 2560x1440 will not have any more benefit. The eyes will hardly see the pixels.

1440p is actually already a very optimal resolution. Larger screen will require the user to sit further, cancelling any benefit from increasing the resolution density.
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QUOTE(scchan107 @ Jun 7 2016, 05:51 PM)
Sell my butt 10 times also cannot buy that Predator

might as well get another 1080 and SLI it
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1080 for 1080p is an overkill as it is, 1080 SLI... sweat.gif
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post Jun 7 2016, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 7 2016, 05:59 PM)
What's your budget?

The thing you have to understand is, if one have to spend a lot for a 4k monitor, why not just spend a little more for 1440p at higher refresh rates? A higher refresh rate is a much more substantial upgrade over higher resolution.
I wouldn't mind a 1080p OLED @ 144hz + Gysnc. I'd jump on it.
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Start from cheapest 1440p @ 144hz?

But then gtx 1070 can barely go over 60 fps at max setting
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post Jun 8 2016, 02:26 AM

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will gtx 1070 cost >rm2k in malaysia?
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Got by % of GTX 1070 FE SRP vs GTX 1080 FE SRP, I'd say the GTX 1070 would be priced at around RM 2.2k.
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jun 7 2016, 03:05 PM)
does that mean you can watch 1080p content on the 4k monitor without image quality reduction?  hmm.gif
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_xb271hk.htm
ehhh it's like playing 720p games on 1080p screen.

Very simple.

You can watch 1080P content on 4K monitor. Whether you'll notice there's content degradation pretty much depends on the size of the 4K monitor and your viewing distance, plus the type of content you're watching.

For example if you're watching anime then you'll less likely to see content degradation than say a live-action movie.

The above example does not apply to 3D Animation like Zootopia, those really hold detail like live-action movie.

I just tried it a few days ago, watching the same content (should be 4K) on a 4K TV vs Full HD TV of the same size (around 60").

What I can tell you is that that 1080P content at 60" screen does appear less sharp BUT it's not something the inexperienced eye would notice, and not something you would notice without paying close attention to it.

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with so many 1080 cards out during computex
are they maintanining the same price point ??/
any news of ETA to malayshaian shores ??
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a more indepth review of the asus strix 1080 OC version
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...80-aura-rgb-oc/


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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jun 7 2016, 12:44 PM)
Take GPU first then only buy the monitor laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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At the moment 1070 or 1080 is rare. I want to get non foundation card, hopefully cheaper.
Right now, monitor is available for purchase.

QUOTE(kianweic @ Jun 7 2016, 01:10 PM)
Suggest get a bigger monitor first followed by gpu.

Bigger monitor will give you immediate gratification which is not limited to gaming only.
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OK. I am aiming for 1440p Gsync with 144hz. Think of getting Acer XB271HU, 27" can still fit my desk. It cost >RM3K,
rather expensive IMO, could probably buy a big TV. Hands already itchy... tongue.gif

IMO 4K monitors is just not there yet, with 60hz refresh rate. Currently I think, 1440p and 4K monitors is early adopters' market. Limited choices and probably next 2 years or so will drop price maybe to RM2k region.

Now I ponder 2 plans,

Plan A,
Buy XB271HU Monitor with GTX 1080 Estimate Cost RM6K++

Plan B,
Buy 24" (1080p Gsync 144hz) Monitor with GTX 1070 (or lower spec GPU). Estimate Cost RM4K

Choices, choices. sweat.gif



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QUOTE(CPURanger @ Jun 8 2016, 11:18 AM)
At the moment 1070 or 1080 is rare. I want to get non foundation card, hopefully cheaper.
Right now, monitor is available for purchase.
OK. I am aiming for 1440p Gsync with 144hz. Think of getting Acer XB271HU, 27" can still fit my desk. It cost >RM3K,
rather expensive IMO, could probably buy a big TV. Hands already itchy...  tongue.gif

IMO 4K monitors is just not there yet, with 60hz refresh rate. Currently I think, 1440p and 4K monitors is early adopters' market. Limited choices and probably next 2 years or so will drop price maybe to RM2k region.

Now I ponder 2 plans,

Plan A,
Buy XB271HU Monitor with GTX 1080 Estimate Cost RM6K++

Plan B,
Buy 24" (1080p Gsync 144hz) Monitor with GTX 1070 (or lower spec GPU). Estimate Cost RM4K

Choices, choices. sweat.gif
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If you itchy now take plan B laugh.gif
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QUOTE(CPURanger @ Jun 8 2016, 11:18 AM)
At the moment 1070 or 1080 is rare. I want to get non foundation card, hopefully cheaper.
Right now, monitor is available for purchase.
OK. I am aiming for 1440p Gsync with 144hz. Think of getting Acer XB271HU, 27" can still fit my desk. It cost >RM3K,
rather expensive IMO, could probably buy a big TV. Hands already itchy...  tongue.gif

IMO 4K monitors is just not there yet, with 60hz refresh rate. Currently I think, 1440p and 4K monitors is early adopters' market. Limited choices and probably next 2 years or so will drop price maybe to RM2k region.

Now I ponder 2 plans,

Plan A,
Buy XB271HU Monitor with GTX 1080 Estimate Cost RM6K++

Plan B,
Buy 24" (1080p Gsync 144hz) Monitor with GTX 1070 (or lower spec GPU). Estimate Cost RM4K

Choices, choices. sweat.gif
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Plan C:

Buy XB271HU Monitor and GTX1070

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