Those developers are lauding of the Async Compute feature because it is a required feature to extract AMD's architecture (PS4 and XBOX One). If not, AMD GPU's utilization will be low due to scheduling issues (not enough work to feed the compute units).

Nothing to be disappointed about... it's just like you don't need to eat Panadol if you're feeling well...NVIDIA doesn't need "DX12 async compute queues" to have a high utilization of it's cores.. less idling cores = more efficient = more peformance... remember, the final result is to utilize the cores fully.

Even if the utilization of the cores are efficient, some games will run faster on AMD card while some on NVIDIA card. This is because different bottlenecks in different game. For example, if the game is heavily tessellated, it will always run faster on NVIDIA cards. Gameworks run faster on NVIDIA cards because it focuses on NVIDIA's strength on geometry and pixel fillrate. Likewise, AMD have been encouraging developer to use more compute because AMD cards are stronger on compute/shader arithmetic (TFlops) compared to NVIDIA.

Gameworks is not comparable in this case at all. that thing is not even open source to begin with.

Open source or not, my point is that NVIDIA coded Gameworks in a way that is beneficial to their architecture (obviously) (for example extreme tessellation factors). This causes a larger performance hit on AMD cards due to their weaker geometry capability.

IF AMD coded GPUOpen to exploit it's compute performance to a higher degree (lots of compute, minimal geometry, minimal pixel), NVIDIA GPU will definitely run slower. I'd expect GTX1080 to run at the same performance at Fury X.

It highly depends on how the game dev code the game and which component in the GPU they want to saturate.

AOTS is largely compute performance bound. Why this conclusion? Because the FPS scaling correlates with the TFLops. NVIDIA GPUs having lower performance in this game is not due to async compute capability or whatsoever, it is mainly due to difference in compute performance.

Reason for GTX1080 beating FuryX in AOTS is because it has higher ROP performance and similar compute performance.

Reason why R9 390X beating GTX980 in AOTS is because 390X has higher compute performance (5.9 > 4.9 TFlops).

Reason why R9 390 beating GTX970 in AOTS is because 390 has higher compute performance (5.1 > 3.9 TFlops).

How to test this?
1. If anyone with a GTX1080 has some free time, downclock it to 1000MHz and you should be getting R9 390 (2560 cores) performance in AOTS (either in DX11 or DX12). Why 390? Because it has the same amount of cores and ROPs.
2. If you overclock GTX980 to 1440MHz (same TFLops as R9 390X), you should be getting R9 390X performance in AOTS.
3. If you overclock GTX970 to 1532MHz (same TFLops as R9 390), you should be getting R9 390 performance in AOTS.

If NVIDIA Maxwell or Pascal are getting less performance compared to AMD GCN at the same TFLops, it means that it has problem with concurrent graphics + compute, which it does not.

Note: To test AOTS async compute scheduling, don't test at 4K since other components (for example memory bandwidth) will bottleneck the performance.

This post has been edited by Demonic Wrath: Jun 6 2016, 04:41 PM

GTX 1080 TI is in the works by Nvidia according to a rumour.It would be 50 percent more powerfull than GTX 1080.

Waiting for this as a replacement for my 980 TI

jeesus, RM3599 for GTX1080

what were the manufacturer smoking these days to mark it up so much?

Where you got the price from bro? that sucks! I wonder how much are they gonna price 1070.

that sucks hard


yes this is likely to be the case. but considering pricing and the time to release a 1080ti, and the time soon after that a volta gets released, to be honest i'm not bothered waiting on ti. at most what people can expect out of a 1080ti is 4k 60fps+ on average with ultra quality settings, but other than that the 1080 is very capable, even at 4k it can do ultra at 30-45 ish fps which isn't too bad if not perfect.

they're estimating a pascal titan is 999 usd minimum... with roughly an estimated 40 to 50% better than GP104 in terms of performance.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-gp102-gp...-graphics-card/



Anyway my sources tell me there will be stock for asus strix in 2-3 weeks. so i'm gonna be waiting on that one

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jun 7 2016, 04:02 AM

Idealtech pricelist, its there. not sure if its final pricing

the cheapest is Palit at RM3399

all thanks 2 the new GST and ringgit value drop

I saw someone posted a 1080 that's priced under RM 3.3k.

I can't locate the content now but I think it's an MSI unit.

its already sold

i saw that too, got walloped so fast

Darn good price lor if custom cooler get sub RM 3.3k.

is palit brand good? i'm aware in the past they made some aibs with lots of vram on them, but other than that hm....

is there a chart yet comparing all the aibs out there together ?



some more info about the asus strix 1080



so theres something about pascal vbios capping voltage. so i wonder if the asus custom vbios lifts this limitation? otherwise what then is the point going 2 pin (8+6) power connector ?



i heard this could be useful for watercooling systems, as the card won't get throttled if you configure it a certain to use this pwm fan ports or some such?

there will be 2 models for this, one is OC edition and the other is not. I'll get OC version since i rather not do that myself.





asus strix 1080 reviews and other sources
http://videocardz.com/60631/asus-rog-strix...or-overclocking

http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/asus-ge...-strix-oc-test/

http://www.pureoverclock.com/2016/05/asus-...aders-say-what/

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-stri...aled,31905.html

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jun 7 2016, 04:27 AM

I'm not particular with AiB models.

To me card selection goes based on '
- price
- appearance

Warranty wise, most of them already have some 3 - 5 years. No issue.

In the end they all work the same, clock variation doesn't result in much speed difference.

from the info i gathered


ZOTAC GTX 1080 AMP! Exteme is best looking in my personal opinion (if your interested in fan cooling gpu)



best performing aib, not sure yet......

best warranty/upgrading/customer service is the EVGA 1080. In comparison i did not hear anything good about Asus in this area.

cheapest aib brand, Asus Rog Strix (custom), and evga reference (non founder). Maybe there is cheaper but i'm not aware which.


the best bang for buck award goes to 1070, but for those of us who want to get whats best available theres the 1080. But at this rate founder edition = sucket edition. So lots of us waiting on the aib models that are cheaper. That said founder edition as far as i know is a blower type fan cooler, so for some people may opt for that if it's more suitable for their rigs i suppose. But if going water cooling, may as well get the cheaper AIB models instead since won't be using the provided fan.

For the Asus Strix at least, i know 2 brands of water cooling brands going to provide the water blocks for it.


here is the full list of all 1080 variants available
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2839/geforce-gtx-1080



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jun 7 2016, 04:21 AM

I've seen many AIB models in person during Computex, except ASUS. Biostar, nope not in sight.

My favorite are still the Gigabyte models, the Zotac models come next and I think I'll put that same level as ASUS.

Galax - nothing new, nothing special. MSI, not that I know of any good looking ones too. EVGA models doesn't look as nice as their 900 series.

gotta wait AMD counter only can get 3k or less