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post Jul 8 2015, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(enduser @ Jul 8 2015, 11:40 AM)
no diff in terms of tariff used. Just ur advised to upgrade ur power supply to three phase if ur load is exceed 10kW or 50A.
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thanks for the explanation.
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 11:49 AM)
Perhaps you want to monitor how your maid use electricity,  is your fridge regularly open for long? And you have any PC running for long hours? 

Sometime small things will add up. e.g.
- if you have downlight of 2 bulbs, it take say 36watt, and switching on for 1 month will use minimal 27 units of electric. 
- cctv, one unit is about 5watt, if you have 4 units is about 20watt, and switch on for 1 month will use about 15 units. DVR may take up another 10 units.
- Vacuum if use 2 hours a week, it may take up to 8 units a month.
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yup, was also worried about the maid, hence the reason why yesterday, I went back home and switched off all the air conditioners via remote and brought it upstairs to my room. at least I now know that the air conditioners down stairs will not be used without my knowledge. I also advised the maid to switch off all unnecessary lights (1 light switch controls 2 18 watt LED downlights) when not in use. this morning, before coming to work, the downstairs was pitch dark. good to know she actually listens to me.

She doesn't know how to use the oven, so I am safe there, anyhow, I unplugged it last night.

She does use the deep fryer and microwave. but we don't deep fry much or for any length of time.

we don't have any cctv yet, but wiring all done.

no pc also. IT illiterate.

vacuum cleaner is a 2800 watt Electrolux. used once in two days to vacuum all the carpets in the house. total time for vacuuming is +/- 2 90 minutes.

Right now I think, my biggest electricity culprit are the air conditioners and the storage water heater.

I made a list of all the big ticket items at home and made a mental note to keep track of the usage of these things.

air-conditioners
storage water heater
water pump
deep fryer
clothes dryer
oven
electric kettle

did I miss out on any other big ticket items?


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post Jul 8 2015, 12:24 PM

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air-conditioners
storage water heater
water pump
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clothes dryer
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electric kettle
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 8 2015, 10:30 AM)
Only two rooms occupied plus maid's room which pasang kipas only.
the 2 rooms I just reset the settings to 26c with lowest fan.
I also decided to switch off the water pump at night and only use it during the day.
whatever appliances which is plugged but not in use I have unplugged.

now I am keeping a log on my usage. I took my tnb meter reading yesterday at 7pm and this morning at 7am. later today will check again reading at 7pm. will do this a few days to have a rough estimate of my usage, then see how or what to cut down.

I am also going to keep a log on usage of deep fryer and oven. just for comparison.
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Not to forget also the GST applied after xxx unit sad.gif

I wonder how come so yours much. I use air con from 10pm also just in bedroom. Hall just use ceiling fan. Got tank water heater also like you on ceiling and switch on during shower only. My kitchen all electricity appliances even for hobs. My electricity around rm90 only.

The only difference here only 1 room occupied biggrin.gif
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(enduser @ Jul 8 2015, 12:24 PM)
air-conditioners
storage water heater
water pump
deep fryer
clothes dryer
oven
electric kettle
fridge
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noted on the fridge. we have a 700 plus liter fridge. this cant do much cause will still open and close only when to take stuff out or put stuff in. we have only 1 fridge by the way.
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 8 2015, 12:21 PM)
yup, was also worried about the maid, hence the reason why yesterday, I went back home and switched off all the air conditioners via remote and brought it upstairs to my room. at least I now know that the air conditioners down stairs will not be used without my knowledge. I also advised the maid to switch off all unnecessary lights (1 light switch controls 2 18 watt LED downlights) when not in use. this morning, before coming to work, the downstairs was pitch dark. good to know she actually listens to me.

She doesn't know how to use the oven, so I am safe there, anyhow, I unplugged it last night.

She does use the deep fryer and microwave. but we don't deep fry much or for any length of time.

we don't have any cctv yet, but wiring all done.

no pc also. IT illiterate.

vacuum cleaner is a 2800 watt Electrolux. used once in two days to vacuum all the carpets in the house. total time for vacuuming is +/- 2 90 minutes.

Right now I think, my biggest electricity culprit are the air conditioners and the storage water heater.

I made a list of all the big ticket items at home and made a mental note to keep track of the usage of these things.

air-conditioners
storage water heater
water pump
deep fryer
clothes dryer
oven
electric kettle

did I miss out on any other big ticket items?
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Want to check how frequent the ac being use? open up check the filter. If its use regularly the filter will be dusty. And is good to clean it too.

Your Vacuum take a fair bit. 90mins use is about 4units. That about 32 units a month.

Is your washing machine using hot water? that also take a fair bit.

This post has been edited by weikee: Jul 8 2015, 12:31 PM
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 8 2015, 11:28 AM)
what is an e bill and what is a n bill?
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As explained by enduser.

It's difficult to pin point which appliances are the root cause for the hike in electricity bill unless one is living in your house to make the observation.
But it's pretty easy to find out yourself.
Just list out the WATTAGE of each electrical appliances x the duration of usage.
High wattage appliances and long or frequent usage are usually the culprit.

Since your mentioned the hike in electricity bill is after you shifted from condo to DSL, I can only guess these possible reasons:
1) Bigger area which requires more lighting, cooling and heating.
Eg, you have added 30+ 18w LED down light, how many are switched on and what's the duration ?? You also added additional storage tank heater on separate rooms, which means you need to heat up 50+35 ltr of water instead of 50 ltr only previouly.

2) The water pump surely one of the reason for the bill hike already.

3) the 700 ltr fridge is from the old house ??

4) No modem, router, iron, blender, juicer, bread maker ??


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post Jul 8 2015, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jul 8 2015, 12:27 PM)
Not to forget also the GST applied after xxx unit  sad.gif

I wonder how come so yours much. I use air con from 10pm also just in bedroom. Hall just use ceiling fan. Got tank water heater also like you on ceiling and switch on during shower only. My kitchen all electricity appliances even for hobs. My electricity around rm90 only.

The only difference here only 1 room occupied  biggrin.gif
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only rm90!!! shocking.gif
wow!!
I have no idea why it can be so much.
but I am taking measures as we speak.
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 12:29 PM)
Want to check how frequent the ac being use? open up check the filter. If its use regularly the filter will be dusty. And is good to clean it too.

Your Vacuum take a fair bit. 90mins use is about 4units. That about 32 units a month.

Is your washing machine using hot water? that also take a fair bit.
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the most frequent air conditioners being used are the two upstairs.
the rest rarely unless my maid has been using behind my back.
it shud still be running at optimum since I have only been using it for less than 3 months.

vacuum can do much. I have two very young kids plus a cat. so the vacuuming is a must for the cat hair and spilled food.
nope. washing machine no hot water. in fact, the only areas in the house with access to how water are the 3 upstairs bathrooms.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 12:29 PM)
Want to check how frequent the ac being use? open up check the filter. If its use regularly the filter will be dusty. And is good to clean it too.

Your Vacuum take a fair bit. 90mins use is about 4units. That about 32 units a month.

Is your washing machine using hot water? that also take a fair bit.
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cuci also ur fridge condensor coil smile.gif
http://www.wikihow.com/Clean-Refrigerator-Coils

This post has been edited by enduser: Jul 8 2015, 12:38 PM
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post Jul 8 2015, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jul 8 2015, 12:30 PM)
As explained by enduser.

It's difficult to pin point which appliances are the root cause for the hike in electricity bill unless one is living in your house to make the observation.
But it's pretty easy to find out yourself.
Just list out the WATTAGE of each electrical appliances x the duration of usage.
High wattage appliances and long or frequent usage are usually the culprit. 

Since your mentioned the hike in electricity bill is after you shifted from condo to DSL, I can only guess these possible reasons:
1) Bigger area which requires more lighting, cooling and heating.
Eg, you have added 30+ 18w LED down light, how many are switched on and what's the duration ??  You also added additional storage tank heater on separate rooms, which means you need to heat up 50+35 ltr of water instead of 50 ltr only previouly.

my reply: down lights closed during the day. at night, at most, 6 downlights are switch on at night. after everyone goes to sleep, the house is pitch dark.
in terms on storage water heater, the old condo had 1 50 liter unit, at my new place, we have one 35 liter and one 50 liter. but the 35 liter hardly use.


2) The water pump surely one of the reason for the bill hike already. 

my reply: spoke to zheine from builders hardware yesterday, the grundfos water pump only switches on shen taps are open and is closed when taps are closed. anyhow, I have started to switch off the water pump at night so it does not run for 24 hours anymore. but let me explain a but more, the water pump is not for a pond or aquarium, it is for water pressure.

3) the 700 ltr fridge is from the old house ??

my reply: yes, from the old house.

4) No modem, router, iron, blender, juicer, bread maker ??

my reply: we do have unifi installed. my maid does iron the clothes which she has been doing even at the old house. blender very rarely used. no juicer no breadmaker but we do have an electric kettle.

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post Jul 8 2015, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 8 2015, 12:34 PM)
the most frequent air conditioners being used are the two upstairs.
the rest rarely unless my maid has been using behind my back.
it shud still be running at optimum since I have only been using it for less than 3 months.

vacuum can do much. I have two very young kids plus a cat. so the vacuuming is a must for the cat hair and spilled food.
nope. washing machine no hot water. in fact, the only areas in the house with access to how water are the 3 upstairs bathrooms.
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If yours a Front loading washing machin, by default set temperature to 65c (at least for the LG I am using)

Sometime due to requirements/lifestyle we can't reduce electric usage. Time for a rainbow vacuum cleaner smile.gif
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post Jul 8 2015, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 8 2015, 12:43 PM)

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His reply is correct, if use only switch on. But you wash hand, wash face, brush teeth all short usage will also switch on the pump. That will be usage right? So his answer what you ask, but not what the usage
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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 7 2015, 04:09 PM)
well, I was staying in an old 2 story condo with many many trees which afforded enough protection from the sun. my new place, there is hardly any protection from any sun plus, since it is a double story link house, the insulation is somewhat affected as the sun directly shines to our roof, whereas previously, we had the penthouse above us.

in terms of room size, the size is about the same, give or take a couple of square feet.

I am now trying to figure out what is causing the huge jump...
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this might indicate much higher a/c consumption than before due to lack of insulation. try to meter your regular usage for a week as suggested and then try (if you can tahan) one week without any a/c. compare the figures to find out your a/c portion of the bill.

1200 units is a lot. i a/c 24/7 (but insulated very well) and use all appliances (washing machine, dishwasher, pc, fridges, tv, etc etc.) in approx. 9 units per day per 1000 sqft living space (ceiling height is 12 ft). thats an average for hot/cold season over a couple of years. but this is running all on as energy efficient appliances as i can find (LED lights, inverter a/c, AAA+ or higher rating). if you calculate the volume of your house (and maybe the old) you can also get an estimation of how much A/C you probably need by default. then the lack of shading etc. will greatly increase concumption too.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 01:07 PM)
If yours a Front loading washing machin,  by default set temperature to 65c (at least for the LG I am using)

Sometime due to requirements/lifestyle we can't reduce electric usage.  Time for a rainbow vacuum cleaner smile.gif
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its a top loading Samsung washing machine. very simple washing machine. no selection for hot or cold.
rainbow vacuum cleaner I borrow from my FIL. too expensive to buy. hence the Electrolux vacuum cleaner.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 01:10 PM)
His reply is correct, if use only switch on. But you wash hand, wash face, brush teeth all short usage will also switch on the pump. That will be usage right? So his answer what you ask, but not what the usage
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true very true.
at the moment I am switching off at night.
but am also seriously considering to switch it on only for showers and to keep it close all other times.
just to be on the safe side.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 8 2015, 01:10 PM)
His reply is correct, if use only switch on. But you wash hand, wash face, brush teeth all short usage will also switch on the pump. That will be usage right? So his answer what you ask, but not what the usage
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flash toilet, shower (mind you, rain shower), wash dishes, preparing food, wash car, mop floor, boil water....let's assume pump running on average 100min a day and it's a 700w pump, then the monthly additional energy cost + GST + 1.6% KWTBB is around RM20
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Water pump usually how many watt?
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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 8 2015, 01:37 PM)
true very true.
at the moment I am switching off at night.
but am also seriously considering to switch it on only for showers and to keep it close all other times.
just to be on the safe side.
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Just how low is your water pressure anyways?

If only rain shower not power enough, do they sell pump just for this purpose?
Im interested to know too
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jul 8 2015, 01:43 PM)
Just how low is your water pressure anyways?

If only rain shower not power enough, do they sell pump just for this purpose?
Im interested to know too
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This will required special piping, or use instant water heater that usually don't give you good rain shower pressure.

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