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TSsuadrif
post Jul 3 2015, 06:30 PM, updated 10y ago

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Hi guys

Any info on what are the cost involve when we want to sell a property?

Many threads are discussing on cost when purchase property but no threads discussing on cost when selling off property

So far I know is only RPGT and lawyer fee. Any else?

Update as 24th July 2015:

1. Agent Commission
Normally agent charge is 2%, 2.5% or 3%
Mine was charged 3% but i managed to nego and further reduce to 2%
Note: if u can sell without agent, u no need to pay for the agent commission.

2. Legal Fees
As follows:
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But since my agent is using the same lawyer for buyer and seller, the terms & condition & paperwork is repetitive.
they can do simultaneously, so legal fees are paid by the buyer.
Seller only pay the remaining portion of it. in my case, i just need to topup RM1,000 + 6% GST.
Note: actual cost will be update once i received the final quotation from lawyer.

3. Consent Fees
lawyer will charge u a consent fees if there is need to apply/transfer for consent from land office.
this cost will be added to the legal fees. luckily my property dont require consent

4. Real Property Gain Taxes
First 3 years - charged for 30% of net gain
within 4 years - charged for 20% of net gain
within 5 years - charged for 15% of net gain
more than 6 years - no RPGT
Each individual can have one RPGT exemption per lifetime.
anyone know how to apply for this? or will it be automatically waive during the selling process?

5. Property Insurance
Remember to cancel or transfer the insurance under your property, especially if its under MLTA.
Wait until the deed has transferred and you are legally no longer bound to the house before cancelling it.
Cost impact: still searching. Anyone has experience on this? what if we forgot to cancel the insurance?

This post has been edited by suadrif: Aug 20 2015, 09:28 AM
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post Jul 3 2015, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(jason1986 @ Jul 3 2015, 06:36 PM)
For Vendor, generally, the main charges will be as follows:-

(1) Legal fees for Sale and Purchase Agreement - if you decide to appoint your own lawyers - highly advisable to do so, otherwise, the SPA will most definitely be one sided in favour of the purchaser.
(2) RPGT - the tax itself (if applicable) and the legal fees for submission of the RPGT forms (will still need to submit forms to LHDN even if no RPGT payable);
(3) If property is still assigned/charged to the bank, you will need to pay for the legal fees and disbursements for the deed of receipt and reassignment/discharge of charge.
(4) If state authority consent is required, you will need to pay the legal fees for the application for consent as well.

There could be other charges, depending on the case at hand.
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Which one is costing more? Used the same lawyer or me appoint my own lawyer?
And for LHDN, let say I apply for RPGT exemption, do I still need to pay income tax? I really hates when my income got slashed for 25% for nothing
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post Jul 3 2015, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jul 3 2015, 06:33 PM)
Agent fee if u using agent.
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Manage to nego from 3% to 2%
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post Jul 4 2015, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(jason1986 @ Jul 3 2015, 07:32 PM)
Of course it will be cheaper if you use the same lawyer as that for the purchaser as you will not be charged legal fees for the drafting and negotiations for the SPA. However, you will be unrepresented for the sale and purchase transaction. As I have mentioned previously, your interest might not be safeguarded as the lawyer is acting for the purchaser and not you. The lawyer will be merely assisting you in relation to other matters such as for filing of RPGT, state consent etc. SPA will definitely be one sided.

RPGT is not income tax. RPGT = real property gains tax, i.e. tax on the gains you make from the disposal. Two different things. Seller is entitled elect for a once a lifetime waiver provided that the conditions are met (must not have used this waiver before, property must be residential, property has been occupied, either by the owner or tenant, CF must be issued). Will need to provide copy of CCC (previously known as CF) or telephone/water/electricity bill as proof.

Hope this clarifies.
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I see
Understood little bit more now
But one thing is, after sold the property, I won't be charge for income tax?

Another thing is, my agent mentioned that deposit 2% will be hold by agency and 8% is direct to owner. Is that mean I will be charged 2% for agency fee and then later another 2% for agent commission? Isn't that too much?
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post Jul 4 2015, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(jason1986 @ Jul 4 2015, 08:56 AM)
Normally 2% booking fee paid will be held by the agency n balance 8% to be paid to the seller upon signing of the SPA. That 2% paid to the agency = the agents commission lahhh.

No income tax for disposal of property. If u make money from the disposal, it is = gains. Not income. Rental income will be subject to income tax. Gains subject to rpgt.
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ok thats confirming something
at least i know that agent is bullshitting me for the other 2%

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post Jul 4 2015, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(jason1986 @ Jul 4 2015, 05:07 PM)
Depending on area, I can recommend u reliable agents. Lots of crappy bullshitting agents around.
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Reliable agent is one thing
Marketable agent is another thing

Many agent come to me for selling the house but not all can bring buyer.
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post Jul 5 2015, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(jason1986 @ Jul 4 2015, 07:06 PM)
True. Don't get me wrong ya. I am just sharing contacts that I have if you need it. Have used this team of agents before and they were able to get things done for me.

Cheers.
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Its ok I completely understood your point
Thanks for willing to share
Since u r also in selangor area, might need it in future

In the meantime I need to resolve the issue with this extra 2% with this agent
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QUOTE(propusers @ Jul 10 2015, 03:41 PM)
Hi Jason,

When property agent can claim the 2% commission from seller? is it After both parties has signed the spa OR After all process is done and vacant possession is passed to the buyer?
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+1
jason1986 i also want to know for above statement
what if the transaction unsuccessful? do we need to pay 2%?
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for future update, i already found information that i think is useful.
crucial information already updated in the first post.

Few things to keep in mind when selling a property:

1. Agent Commission
Normally agent charge is 2%, 2.5% or 3%
Mine was charged 3% but i managed to nego and further reduce to 2%
Note: if u can sell without agent, u no need to pay for the agent commission.

2. Legal Fees
As follows:
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But since my agent is using the same lawyer for buyer and seller, the terms & condition & paperwork is repetitive.
they can do simultaneously, so legal fees are paid by the buyer.
Seller only pay the remaining portion of it. in my case, i just need to topup RM1,000 + 6% GST.
Note: actual cost will be update once i received the final quotation from lawyer.

3. Consent Fees
lawyer will charge u a consent fees if there is need to apply/transfer for consent from land office.
this cost will be added to the legal fees. luckily my property dont require consent

4. Real Property Gain Taxes
First 3 years - charged for 30% of net gain
within 4 years - charged for 20% of net gain
within 5 years - charged for 15% of net gain
more than 6 years - no RPGT
Each individual can have one RPGT exemption per lifetime.
anyone know how to apply for this? or will it be automatically waive during the selling process?

5. Property Insurance
Remember to cancel or transfer the insurance under your property, especially if its under MLTA.
Wait until the deed has transferred and you are legally no longer bound to the house before cancelling it.
Cost impact: still searching. Anyone has experience on this? what if we forgot to cancel the insurance?

This post has been edited by suadrif: Jul 26 2015, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(Sblad3 @ Jul 25 2015, 03:21 PM)
would like to ask, if i purchase a condo with RM600k, 90% loan with 35 years tenure.

I wonder if i want to sell the property, how much does the property value need to reach at in future in order to give me return instead of loss.

If i pay more $ over the year does it mean I more rugi? Should i sell fast once certain value is reach within few years?
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your condo is for own stay or rental?
if rental, you can get the profit back on monthly basis if your monthly payment is lower than your monthly income
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QUOTE(joshuawhlam @ Aug 20 2015, 09:05 AM)
I plan to sell my unit. First time seller. Any suggestions to determine a good selling price?
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check on few online sites such as Mudah.my, Star Property, Property Guru, or iProperty.
maybe there are some other else that i don't know

bear in mind that the price u see is not the market price.
Most of seller jack up their price about 30% higher than market value.
try to have a look what is the minimum selling price and maximum selling price.
and then u decide to sell your property within that range or above that range.
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QUOTE(Sblad3 @ Jul 27 2015, 08:58 AM)
what if own stay?
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if its for own stay, then u may expect at least 50% of your purchase price
to be exact:

Selling Price > Purchase Price + S&P Lawyer Fee + Maintenance Fee + Monthly Commitment + Renovation Cost
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QUOTE(joshuawhlam @ Aug 20 2015, 01:39 PM)
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How about the price of bank valuation? Is the market price follow the bank valuation price?

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price valuation = market value

i dont understand with your question. could u detail it little bit?
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QUOTE(joshuawhlam @ Aug 20 2015, 01:39 PM)
Saudrif

How about the price of bank valuation? Is the market price follow the bank valuation price?

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price valuation = market value

i dont understand with your question. could u detail it little bit?
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QUOTE(joshuawhlam @ Aug 20 2015, 01:39 PM)
Saudrif

How about the price of bank valuation? Is the market price follow the bank valuation price?

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price valuation = market value

i dont understand with your question. could u detail it little bit?
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QUOTE(lovepark4444 @ Aug 23 2015, 05:37 PM)
I am looking for an agent to sell off my property but most of them doesn't caryy REN/REA tag. Most of them show me their name card instead of the tag. Anybody can share what is the differences between them?
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1. Real estate negotiators are not real estate agents

Most Malaysians assume both are the same, as they both seem to be doing the same job. In reality, they are both different professions.

Real estate agents must possess a certain level of experience, knowledge and education before being granted a license by the Board of Valuers, Appraisers and Estate Agents. A real estate negotiator on the other hand, is not required to.

To maintain their estate agent license, all licensed real estate agent must take additional continuing education courses yearly above and beyond that which is already required.

Usually a real estate agent will have a few negotiators to help service their clients, but it is always best to ensure that you deal with an agent.

Source: iMoney.my
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QUOTE(Tavia88 @ Aug 21 2015, 07:20 PM)
Hi, Just to correct some points on yr sharing:

4) Once you reached the first day of year 5, then you're exempted from rpgt. In simple, 5 years day 1... doesnt need to wait until the 6th year.

For the rpgt waiver, if you didnt inform your lawyer to prepare for you, normally they wouldnt proceed for you. This would be attached together with the ckht form you sign. So it wont be automatically waive ya. Need to inform yr lawyer to prepare and submit for you.
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thanks for the correction and accurate info
will update it for people references in the future nod.gif
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QUOTE(joshuawhlam @ Aug 23 2015, 04:29 PM)
Bank gives a valuation price of property for mortgage purpose. Sometimes the price on mudah, iproperty is different with markup. Is bank valuation price normally benchmark price? Sorry for confusion.
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1. bank valuation price is depending on valuer price.

2. Valuer price is different subject to the valuer interpretation of the asset but normally it does not differ too much. in my case, two different valuers give price different only about RM10k for a 300k property.

3. valuer normally use previous sold price as their benchmark.

4. price found in mudah, iproperty is a selling price which often owner mark up for getting extra profit.
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QUOTE(lovepark4444 @ Aug 23 2015, 09:27 PM)
Real Estate Agents = with license

Rela Estate Negotiator = broker
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yes. something similar to that nod.gif
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QUOTE(alchmiya @ Oct 6 2015, 11:12 AM)
If I sell my house to my neighbour, obviously without any negotiator/agent, how does the booking fee work?

I understand that I'm entitled the 10% upon signing of SPA, but surely there must be a booking fee to lock in the agreement before SPA. But who is to prepare the booking documentation? Who is to hold the booking fee? Anyone can share?
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in my previous transaction, we just had 1 piece of A4 paper and put both signatures there as a proof of booking fee
seller take the booking fee
bring receipt to lawyer
sign SNP
seller collect remaining 10%
lawyer settles everything
seller collect remaining balance


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