QUOTE(CharlesTanCL @ Jul 3 2015, 12:45 PM)
IMHO, dun talk about 5 years story.In 1 year time, any thing can happen. Maybe Malaysia will go bankrupt, alien invasion, stock market crash.
Better that you just aim for continuous improvement.
Which type of job will you choose?, As a fresh graduates or work 5> years
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Jul 3 2015, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(CharlesTanCL @ Jul 3 2015, 12:45 PM) IMHO, dun talk about 5 years story.In 1 year time, any thing can happen. Maybe Malaysia will go bankrupt, alien invasion, stock market crash. Better that you just aim for continuous improvement. |
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Jul 3 2015, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jul 3 2015, 12:50 PM) IMHO, dun talk about 5 years story. That kind of mind... Lagi best I cheong all my money? There's no tomorrow anyway. Kek.In 1 year time, any thing can happen. Maybe Malaysia will go bankrupt, alien invasion, stock market crash. Better that you just aim for continuous improvement. |
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Jul 3 2015, 12:52 PM
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Jul 3 2015, 12:53 PM
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Jul 3 2015, 12:55 PM
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RM 2,700, boss willing to teach you from A to Z
Once you acquire the skills and knowledge, you will be able to earn more (or rather, "recover" the few hundreds) in the future. This post has been edited by leetan33: Jul 3 2015, 12:55 PM |
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Jul 3 2015, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(CharlesTanCL @ Jul 3 2015, 12:51 PM) Bro, I already said, continuously improve yourself.See bigger picture. Why you want to set in stone your future like that? Anything is possible, grab any opportunity that arrived. I find setting a timeline is making u unable to keep up with the changes arround u. 5 year back people use Fesbuk, now people use whatsapp. U must change according to time bro. |
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Jul 3 2015, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(CharlesTanCL @ Jul 3 2015, 12:53 PM) yes cash businessi tell u one true setoli ok there's this one char kueh tiaw hawker operate at nite every night he pushes his trishaw to a certain spot near kopitiam no rent, no utilities bill, only available for tapao. very chip too. rm2 per packet mostly ppl buy then go to the kopitiam nearby and eat there some eat at roadside while squatting time passed his only mistake is buying houses with cash lhdn stepped in blablabla yada yada yada, they ask him pay 1 mil penalty he went to lhdn, bring a guni with him. inside, cash 1 mil. |
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Jul 3 2015, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(CharlesTanCL @ Jul 3 2015, 12:23 PM) Let's say there's a 20% difference of the salary offered, which one would you choose? A to Z ... pfffffLower salary with more space to improve (Usually smaller company,you can learn the whole process of how a business running) or higher salary with minimum space to improve (Usually MNC, maybe as a sales in there)? Kalau reply troll, jangan butthurt bila I troll balik. Only dumb graduates would think this is an advantage... DUMB AND STUPID kolot graduates... 1) The skill you learn that are not specific to your career path is a waste of time 2) You will most likely forget about it when you stop doing it 3) Company that promises you A to Z normally means the normal job that you do on [option 2] plus all the clerical work ... just because they are too stingy to hire admin staff.. they make you do it instead.. 4) You learn by yourself... NOT by working and waiting for people to teach.... IF YOU CAN SAY OPTION 2 = LEARN VERY LESS NEW STUFF... that means you are just a lazy bastard waiting to be spoon fed |
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Jul 3 2015, 01:12 PM
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I got a friend working in a company like option 1... His bosses always say "You must learn A to Z" ... "learn more no harm"
He is an auditor Guess what, on top of his "Job scope" he was told to 1) Do receipting 2) Do filling 3) Sort excel accounts 4) Prepare statements [clerk job] and many other low level shit job... Now... after 5 years... still a low level executive... BECAUSE YOU A to Z ... learning all the donkey SPM job... you mai stay as a donkey spm level post lo... If you are smart... you would choose option 2.... here are the reasons 1) You got higher pay 2) Since you are doing routine job and nothing much to do.... you got a lot of free time to self learn on more complicated task 3) once you've learned ... show that you KNOW those stuff in front of everyone.. make them impress that you are not just the dumb "A to Z" guy but the "A" specialist guy relevant to what you are doing 4) Jump ship once you've think you got nothing more to learn This post has been edited by JasonLeeX: Jul 3 2015, 01:15 PM |
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Jul 3 2015, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(EternalC @ Jul 3 2015, 12:58 PM) yes cash business Where to learn how to fry kuey teow?i tell u one true setoli ok there's this one char kueh tiaw hawker operate at nite every night he pushes his trishaw to a certain spot near kopitiam no rent, no utilities bill, only available for tapao. very chip too. rm2 per packet mostly ppl buy then go to the kopitiam nearby and eat there some eat at roadside while squatting time passed his only mistake is buying houses with cash lhdn stepped in blablabla yada yada yada, they ask him pay 1 mil penalty he went to lhdn, bring a guni with him. inside, cash 1 mil. |
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Jul 3 2015, 01:33 PM
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learn how 2 blow job pls
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Jul 3 2015, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 3 2015, 01:12 PM) I got a friend working in a company like option 1... His bosses always say "You must learn A to Z" ... "learn more no harm" wrong. u stay in company A in option 1, learn all the shit. then either move to company B option 1 to get a higher rank higher pay, or go to company in option 2 to do a more specific but more in-depth job, and of coz, high pay than company B option 1 He is an auditor Guess what, on top of his "Job scope" he was told to 1) Do receipting 2) Do filling 3) Sort excel accounts 4) Prepare statements [clerk job] and many other low level shit job... Now... after 5 years... still a low level executive... BECAUSE YOU A to Z ... learning all the donkey SPM job... you mai stay as a donkey spm level post lo... If you are smart... you would choose option 2.... here are the reasons 1) You got higher pay 2) Since you are doing routine job and nothing much to do.... you got a lot of free time to self learn on more complicated task 3) once you've learned ... show that you KNOW those stuff in front of everyone.. make them impress that you are not just the dumb "A to Z" guy but the "A" specialist guy relevant to what you are doing 4) Jump ship once you've think you got nothing more to learn QUOTE(CharlesTanCL @ Jul 3 2015, 01:30 PM) trial and error |
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Jul 3 2015, 01:35 PM
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Jul 3 2015, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 3 2015, 01:12 PM) I got a friend working in a company like option 1... His bosses always say "You must learn A to Z" ... "learn more no harm" Then ur friend own fault. He should know if he has to do those job which are not useful, why did he continue? And 5 years? It clearly shows that ur "friend" love what is he doing. So its his choice that he ends up where he is.He is an auditor Guess what, on top of his "Job scope" he was told to 1) Do receipting 2) Do filling 3) Sort excel accounts 4) Prepare statements [clerk job] and many other low level shit job... Now... after 5 years... still a low level executive... BECAUSE YOU A to Z ... learning all the donkey SPM job... you mai stay as a donkey spm level post lo... If you are smart... you would choose option 2.... here are the reasons 1) You got higher pay 2) Since you are doing routine job and nothing much to do.... you got a lot of free time to self learn on more complicated task 3) once you've learned ... show that you KNOW those stuff in front of everyone.. make them impress that you are not just the dumb "A to Z" guy but the "A" specialist guy relevant to what you are doing 4) Jump ship once you've think you got nothing more to learn |
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Jul 3 2015, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Jul 3 2015, 01:43 PM) Then ur friend own fault. He should know if he has to do those job which are not useful, why did he continue? And 5 years? It clearly shows that ur "friend" love what is he doing. So its his choice that he ends up where he is. True tho, perhaps his friend really enjoying the job, no judgement should be made. heh. |
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Jul 3 2015, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Jul 3 2015, 01:43 PM) Then ur friend own fault. He should know if he has to do those job which are not useful, why did he continue? And 5 years? It clearly shows that ur "friend" love what is he doing. So its his choice that he ends up where he is. After 2 years he finally realize the stupidity of A to Z... He is like you guys... believe that if he know everything even from the lowest ground he would be successfulpartly also how his boss always tries to convince him A to Z donkey job = knowledge after 2 years he got sick of it... and tries to change job... Sadly, can't get any job offer....so decided to stay on... Stay ha stay ha.. 5 years liao 1) Depending on individual... not everyone could switch job so easily... that is what I learned from him.... 2) Maybe one of the contributing factor on his difficulty in securing a better job because he is not specialized.... Doing donkey job all day long.... HOW YOU EXPECT TO LEARN SOMETHING USEFUL? |
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Jul 3 2015, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(CharlesTanCL @ Jul 3 2015, 01:46 PM) OK.... keep trying to convince yourself that your RM2.7k A to Z is a good choice... up to you...Bottomline for me is.... specialise skills > A to Z .... if that A to Z means doing all the clerical job... then it is FAR worse... if it is diverse skills at your level.. then it should be better but still not as good as specialised skills. |
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Jul 3 2015, 02:03 PM
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A degree in engineering graduated not long ago. Just got in operation team in an edible oil company. Lower than 2700 but a lot of stuff to learn. Dont know is it great or not.
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Jul 3 2015, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 3 2015, 01:57 PM) OK.... keep trying to convince yourself that your RM2.7k A to Z is a good choice... up to you... So which field of specialist you are?Bottomline for me is.... specialise skills > A to Z .... if that A to Z means doing all the clerical job... then it is FAR worse... if it is diverse skills at your level.. then it should be better but still not as good as specialised skills. I worked as sales with high salary, but I think no use tho. Perhaps IT, Engineer or Architect need a specialized training and experience for a better job next time. |
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