haha........this seems to be a very interesting subject............
b4 any mod delete this thread THINK further.................

the purpose of this thread is to let you guys hav an insight of the modus operandi of conman here and post your views so tat by doing so you ppl will take the necessary precautions when doing trade online...............

maybe the title sounds a bit outrageous but i hope tat it work for the benefit of traders here, especially newbies............

multiple accounts make the cheat easier

however, we mods have your ip add everytime anyone make a post - just to compare and detect multiple accounts

what about bank accounts?

Any scamming attempt means you have to give out your name and bank account number right? Isnt this another way to "expose" your identity?

to cheat LYN quite hard......... to cheat newbies more easy...... coz LYN is very smart....

bro, kawasaki kips use starbucks wifi to do posting, how can you track his posting?

dude .......LYN = low yat net............juz a forum ...........its not as smart as you think cause got plenty of grey areas and loopholes...............

ip can be change easily...

yes mod cannot do much if a connie wans to strike............meaning the connie will knoe how to bypass this ip thingy............

want to scam people easy only - just put goods at lower than market price. say is bulk order, guarantee you out of 67,560 registered users surely got a bunch of idiots wan. damn-greedy-no-common-sense-bank-in-full-amount type la.

so you kena just 1 fella out of 67,560 with an item of RM xxx is already enough.

Hmmm.. have LYN volunteers on shift at each starbucks, each one carrying a baseball bat with nails hammered in?

yes this is one of the best way


do you knoe how kips look like???

is this him on the first post?

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=267131

If they use the proxy server of Class A network IP.

Then how to check it out ?

some of us just have the sense of scammer detection... we can smell scams.

ask mr MODERATOR.............

seller can get cheated also

last month or something like that, i sold some toys to a familiar customer for RM520, he bank in the money through Maybank, then later that night i meet him and gave him his purchases, everything seems fine and ok (he is a lyn member)

then after a few days, Maybank Penang HQ called me and asked me that i sell IPOD through the Internet ? i say no and ask why, the bank officer told me that a foreigner went to the bank and complaint that someone has asked him to bank in RM520 to my account for a IPOD Nano 2GB !!!

then many question pop-up:
1- the foreigner lost his brain or what, an Ipod Nano 2GB cost RM520 ???
2- my customer went to con the foreigner then ask the foreigner to bank in money to my account ?
3- or the foreigner simply make up a story to earn some money ?

that time i also duno what to do, so i tell the bank officer, you go report police, do whatever you want, then i called my mom lawyer, the lawyer told me no need to be scare, the bank has nothing ! if the bank has any type of evidence to prove that i con, they already report police and catch me while i should go report police about my customer

from that day onwards, i cant find that particular customer, i think he change his phone number, i pm him many time, no reply at all, but i still can see him online sometime at lyn

1) Sell bad stuff as good stuff
2) Only Poslaju no COD
3) After buyer received the stuff and find out it's BAD, blame Poslaju for damaging the stuff, and void the warranty due to postman's fault
4) In case buyer crying, just refund 50% of the money and you still earn another 50%

YES
this is the "always heard of" modus operandi of on9 fraud
you question no2 (highlighted) is the mosst probable one

could you pls name tat guy so tat at least we wont fall into his trap again
and hopefully he will come forward to giv us an explantion

thanks


This post has been edited by digilife: Nov 6 2006, 02:29 PM

actually the conman only send an empty box and blame the courrier service ppl tat they stole the contents inside

tats why next time when you go to the courrier office to collect the parcel (yes dun let them deliver to your hse, call them in advance and tell the courrier office tat you will come to the office to self collect by giving them the tracking number)....OPEN the parcel in front of the courrier ppl and bring along a camera to snap the pic if you discover fraud.

What about 3rd party scam?

pls elaborate..............

his name is: finalsky

okie thanks bro


guys and TE/MODS pls take note of this finalsky
potential con-man

hopefully he will come out to giv us an explanation

Copied from dispute centre :

Step 1)
Negotiation done between fake seller and 3rd party seller
3rd party seller <-------------------------------------> Fake Seller

Step 2)
Fake seller ask you to bank in to 3rd party seller.
You as the buyer bank in to 3rd party seller, but expecting goods from fake seller.
3rd party seller <--------------------------------------> YOU

Step 3)
3rd party seller send goods to fake seller

Step 4)
YOU eat wind

And 3rd party seller don't know your existance.

More info HERE

seems like new style of scam --> 3rd party scam coming out .....it seems like hard to detect for that, coz as long as buyer pay then seller sell it and that's all....
seller oso need to be extreme careful la tis day..., terrible scam world.

aiyo .. why must cheat here cheat there .. just do the business ..collect the money and pass the goods and receive the goods . and say thank u ..and say bye bye ..

does not tis seems to be nicer in this IT world .. hehheeh ..

To avoid this type of scenario, the only solution is COD face to face

this is similiar to wat finalsky is doing

Cheat money here cannot become rich person.

suggestion....

maybe those with bulk order/ or cash first basis must registered with lyn their bank accounts nos and ic nos... these will be displayed in a locked signature or something so that everyone can view it and is transparent... then only they can trade... else... is COD...

as for postage faulty items frauds... can't do anything... just trust with the seller and buyer....

How to cheat ppl on LYN?
wow thread starter mmg creative

well, imo, as a newbie, it's no ez to cheat on LYN (for expensive stuff like LCD monitor, conroe processor). COD only can success. usually I think the best initial step is to gain other forumers' trust, (if wanna catch big fish). After some successful trades (sold), maybe can start project liao lo.. Like maybe processor.. or something expensive. coz forumers sure won't trust newbies easily since there are already so many newbies con cases happened here..

another one is quite common, that's to blame the postman.
when it comes to such situation, it's hard to say who's the conman: postman? or the seller? and thus, "trust" is very important... if don't trust seller, then better don't trade with him/her to prevent getting cheated.

to prevent getting conned, of course the best way is to COD lo.. but for edison's case.. 1st time I heard such case.. and that buyer (finalsky) is really a smart arse. lol. I agree with howeijie, cheat ppl here (or anywhere else) wont fatt tat one. conners will only end up being hunted by those who got conned.

haha
uncle limkokwing was my teacher b4 la

gulp...i just did my transaction for a jersey in one of the bulk order threads...

so you din cheated rite.............
wat are you trying to tell here????

even i cod will also get cheat.

i've got a question.. if me and my bro using diff accounts but same IP is it legal or illegal? coz me and my bro using diff accounts on diff users but on the same comp..

hm, i've been semi-tracking this nick -finalsky. suspected linked to bookie-3rd party scammer grp

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=8250872

i guess my suspicions confirmed liao. edison92133, please becareful & do more verifications of your online buyers. all the best.

i also want to add my 2c on this thread.

reminder: all genuine & honest traders, always remember a successful conman/fraudster/scammer will always be smarter/more cunning than u. don't take anything at face value. practice risk-assessment b4 all kinds of trade.



This post has been edited by acougan: Nov 8 2006, 12:49 AM

Luckily my 1st purchase from a lyn member was trough COD...anyway can we report online fraud/scam cases to the police? Is it effective?

i think it depends on how you bring the case to the police.....

thanks bro............
this is good "food for thought"
hope more ppl can come forward to provide info on suspected connie

Never trust a newbie!

haha... if the newbie provide the price is very good enough?
how?

i think the best thing is COD ... better...

im not sure yet...just done the payments but everything seems to fit in with the description in this thread...

COD is good but most of the seller are at KL or selangor...
So ppl like me from penang cant always go down to KL jus for a COD.
So my 2cents is always find a seller with good reputation with reasonable prices of course...

Cheap things are never good,
Good things are never cheap.

This is the law of all trades....LOL

gulp! got ppl sell conroe at very lower price..(nearly bank in)

gulp! aiyah.....i rememeber vikin2k case....
sell item at good reputation members 1st(of coz he will lose $$$ 1st then kaw kaw untung back), then other newbies will trust him

Nak tipu pun kena ader skill

sanggup turun dari sarawak jual n71 tuh!!!

MOD, If someone get cheated, what's the action taken by you guys? Log a polis report? When trades being done in LYN getting higher and higher in term of RM, there's must be some protection by LYN operators right?

Tips for you: those working in Intel got special discount buying Conroe, at about 50% of the market price

i guess you're one of the many who don't bother to read / understand the rules. Let me make it clear..........

**Trade Zone Rules & Regulations**
#1. Lowyat.NET is not responsible for any transactions conducted here.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showforum=11

that's all the protection LYN needs. the clause has been there for ages.

How about newbie sellers faking buyers of their own product on cyber cafes? Is there any way to distinguish them?

Maybe selling some expensive things to newbies with cheap price.. and then report police after newbies receive item.. say the newbies steal / found ur lost item...
Sure newbie will defence himself.. like "no.. no officer he sold me that i-Pod 10Gb with 200ringgit.. bla bla bla..."
Then we say.. where got i-pod selling 200ringgit one.. thts too cheap!!
haha... after get item back sell it again haha..

But the best way is selling 2nd hand item in Bulk and claim it is new item!!

This post has been edited by yehlai: Nov 9 2006, 08:01 PM

luckily busted... btw it's N70.....
anyway i got my n70 frm him @ RM1k.... weeee

come come
mari mari
lets share your tots here
thanks

Actually EK Trading is the account for yishengbo.com betting website...anyone can open their account there and after that u need to bank in via maybank2u to top up ur betting account. Scammers would then ask unsuspecting forummers to bank in to EK Trading.com using any unique amount of cash like RM211 or RM841 so that Yishengbo runners in malaysia can trace whose user bank in to EK Trading and can update their balance there....hopefully this can help..just beware, they won't refund any cash since they are just runners for this betting website...

Its too difficult to be done la.takkan he sell again then wanna report again meh?

COD aso hav d risk of being ambushed ei...
for instance, buyin an entire pc of >RM1k, obviously buyer hold cash to COD, after nego & reachin dat particular COD location, usually sumwhere quiet, 'seLLerS' appear wif knives or weapons... dat'z it...


thus, COD wif brains, dont do it sumwhere like bhind alleys, sumwhere got spaced out long time, etc... make it infron of d police station!

yeah, infront of the police stn instead of at the lrt stn which most ppl do nowadays

COD with cheque....not cash
Now, no one bring so many cash while walking in the street...
and also go COD in a gang of group, not go alone la...

This post has been edited by swaichia: Nov 14 2006, 07:51 AM

Thatz why COD in KL Sentral (Plenty of police & people) and better still Petrol Stations as they do have CCTV's

i would suggest Mc D in sentral cause got good food there too.......my prefered location actually

Same here. McD is the best. If customer wants drinks, I'll be happy to buy them one.

What if the cheque bounces?

no........ better ask them to buy themselves cause they might scare we spike the drink

haha....

cod like "mou kan tou"



while cod, do it fast if you suspect anything....

KL Sentral is good place, Putra LRT, KTM and monorail all can reach

This post has been edited by edison92133: Nov 14 2006, 03:34 PM

If seller doesn't want cheque, then go COD together with a group of friend or bring your dog together during COD

Dog??lol...hush puppies can mou?

if COD high-price item during working hours, can consider COD in a nice bank. got secuity guard, CCTV, summore no need to carry lots of cash around for both buyer & seller.

hmm..like that better cod infront of police station...gerenti safe and steady

Use your common sense and brain lar.

1. Many con cases offer ridiculous price for high end item. I dont know why they dont suspect anything.

2. COD. Thats the most secure dealing. I usually prefer to deal with sellers who can provide pics and item details. Lastly deal at a place well known to you, where you have security sense n time to inspect the item.

COD is only safe in the sense you confirm getting the item on your hand.

however the item could still be a dud.

wat you mean?
i tot you can chk the item kawkaw b4 you hand over the money

dun ever think. u got the good deal.

when u deal with people are not in business.!!!!

don really understand wat u trying to say...anyway,when COD don give the item b4 the fellla show u the cash...that is the most important

I guess we can see how useful this thread has been

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