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kerolzarmyfanboy
post Jul 15 2015, 09:11 PM

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so jelly watching u all with high-end gpu sad.gif

i only have asus r9 280x..i have so many bad lucks with it..screen flickering n small artifacts on some AAA games..need to downclock only then no more of those problems..but so unsatisfying have to downclock.. sad.gif

not upgrading anytime soon after looking at the current prices of both Nvidia and AMD GPU.. cry.gif cry.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 16 2015, 10:11 AM)
A common problem with factory overclocked ASUS r9 280x.
Especially if your mode is http://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/R9280XD...specifications/

Asus uses GDDR5 rated for 1500mhz for the board, but overclocked it to 1600mhz.
To make it worst, https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9...u_II_TOP/4.html shows the VRAM chips arent actively cooled.

You only need to downclock the vram clock to solve it. No need to downclock gpu core clock.
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can you teach step by step on how to downclock that vram clock? i can't seem to find it on Asus GPU Tweak

i was looking around Asus website for latest BIOS, and they have 2014 BIOS but didn't state which version..mine is the 015.041, don't know if this one is the latest or not..

if the bios on that website could fix these flickering/artifacting issue i would want to flash it..but thing is, I'm quite scared to do that, fear i will brick my card..lol sweat.gif
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post Jul 16 2015, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Jul 16 2015, 03:13 PM)
I have a Gigabyte 280x as well on my 2nd PC and it also has the same problem during gaming.

It's definitely a VRAM issue. Lots of 280x have this problem.

I manage to minimize the issue by forcing the fans to run at higher speed at lower temperatures. Using MSI afterburner to do this.

Still contemplating whether to claim warranty for this.
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i'm confuse rclxub.gif

is it vrm or vram faulty?

if these problems occur because of vrm overheating, could aftermarket cooler like Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV can solve it?

how to even check if vram faulty or not?
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post Jul 17 2015, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jul 16 2015, 10:51 PM)
If the VRM is faulty, your card shouldn't even work.
Can you check the VRM temperature?

Did you encountered any artifacts/graphic anomalies while gaming?
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how to check vrm temp? asus gpu tweak and HWmonitor doesn't seem to show that

at default clockspeed and when playing AAA games like GTA 5, Shadow of Mordor, Witcher 3, artifacts sometimes occur but not frequent and it's usually on the lower right of my screen but graphic glitches always occur..plus sometimes flickering..

only able to minimize those problems when downclocking the GPU to 1250MHz-1450MHz.. sweat.gif

so regret buying this gpu, i was under the illusion it perform on par with GTX770 but cost less..I didn't research further about it's problems beforehand.. sad.gif



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post Jul 17 2015, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 17 2015, 11:09 AM)
Hmm....if it is VRAM clock, wouldn't setting back to 1500Mhz (Hynix chip original frequency rating) will solve it for his gpu?

He ought to update his vbios first before playing around with vram and gpu clocks.
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i forgot to ask

updating BIOS, will it void the warranty? blink.gif
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post Jul 17 2015, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 17 2015, 11:20 AM)
As Skidd said~

Now, faster update to the latest vbios and report back if the issue still appearing.
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reporting back

I downloaded the .zip file from Asus website and after extracting it and then execute the application, it just says "your gpu no need update vbios"

i have checked techpowerup bios archive and it seems my vbios is the latest version

....so what now?

btw, this is my gpu setting on afterburner:
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post Jul 17 2015, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jul 17 2015, 12:50 PM)
Why your card temperature is higher than my 290x at idle? sweat.gif You're on CFX?
Why you still on 15.5? Hop on 15.7 masterrace.

Btw your card default voltage is 1.25v?
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the temp maybe because i screenshot the pic around 10-15min after playing witcher 3..right now my idle temp is at 39 celsius..yeah i already updated to 15.7 an hour ago smile.gif

QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 17 2015, 01:13 PM)
Can you upload the vbios dump here? Open GPUZ, BIOS version ---> click the arrow---> save to file.

I wanna check if the asus vbios flasher actually update your gpu vbios or not.

EDIT:
Please check using msi afterburner for memory voltage, is it still 1.6V?
MSI afterburner ---> settings ---> tick "unlock voltage control" and "unlock voltage monitoring".
If it still 1.6V (1600mV), then you have failed to update the vbios.
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it's the memory voltage rite? if it is, then it's 1500
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there's no harm in setting the fan to the max except maybe slightly noisier rite? sorry for my newbie-ness in this stuff sweat.gif

edit: just set the fan to max..man..that's quite noisy.. sweat.gif but i don't really mind it..will test if it's able to minimize the artifact/flickering problems further..

This post has been edited by kerolzarmyfanboy: Jul 17 2015, 06:04 PM
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post Jul 18 2015, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 17 2015, 07:34 PM)
hmm.gif ........so, your model has the latest vbios which reduces the VRAM clock to 1.5V installed properly....

rclxub.gif  and yet....the flickering still occurs....... According to you, reducing the VRAM clock somehow alleviate it....

We can't rule out the VRAM as source of flickering yet.

Hmm....Wanna try the opposite method?
Increase the VRAM voltage slightly to 1.52 or 1.55v.
Set the VRAM clock back to 1500Mhz.

My reasoning, 280x got 12 vram chips around the board. Perhaps the memory controller doesn't output 1.5V precisely for 12 VRAM chip.
Undervoltage also can cause flickering issue.

EDIT: Write too fast until need to correct so many times...... sweat.gif
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done that, but how bout the fan speed? set to auto or max?
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post Jul 18 2015, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 18 2015, 12:55 AM)
So....after you test with faster fan speed, does the flickering/artifacts still occur?

If it didn't occur, then it might be subpar hynix VRAM even though it is running at correct 1500mhz and 1.5V.

You can create a custom aggressive fan curve for faster fan speed.
MSI Afterburner --> Settings -->Fan -->Tick "Enable user defined software automatic fan control".
You should know how to set the curve  nod.gif . Quite intuitive interface.

edit : Once you click OK, remember to HIGHLIGHT "User Define" near the Fan Speed (%)
Wait a minute.....does vram slight increase in voltage to 1.52 or 1.55v fix the artifacting at 1500mhz?
Or because of the max fan speed?
Which one work for your gpu? Both?

I am getting confused here...
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i only use witcher 3 to test it

when i set the voltage to 1550mV, clock 1500, fan speed auto (at first it was 48% iinm)= flickering worsen

then i tried 1520mV (but afterburner kept decreasing it to 1519mV, dunno why but just 1 mV difference doesn't matter isn't it), clock 1500, fan 80% = played witcher 3 for 2 1/2 hour and there's no artifact/flickers detected..will test further by playing more than 3 hour to be sure tomorrow..

but it sure is noisy with 80% fan speed sweat.gif
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post Jul 19 2015, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 18 2015, 10:17 AM)
Good thing you use witcher 3 to test. This game is really good in stressing GPU component especially in city of Novigrad at ultra settings.
1519mV for VRAM should be okay (never got the precise output anyway)
shocking.gif If there isn't anymore artifact after 1519mV and fan speed of 80% applied......then you got lemon Hynix VRAM which is too subpar (prone to instability and overheating even with the rated specification setting being applied).

Since you have been playing with fan speed at high rpm, why not apply a bit of overclock for your gpu core clock as well?
A little guidance ;
GPU core clock set to 1170Mhz (1225, 1188 or even lower 1160, for gpu core clock = the higher, the better) with gpu core voltage set to 1300mV (or 1265, for voltage, the lower the better).
Power Target set to 120% (aka +20%)
I only suggest this because you have been setting a high gpu fan speed at 80%.

The only downside of high fan speed = dust problem. Remember to keep fan and heatpipe fins clean.

Do more test with witcher 3.  nod.gif (Technically, for stressing purpose, unigine or furmark tends to be used)

EDIT:
Remember to report back if the gpu core OC is stable and which value you use.
Maintain the vram clock at 1500mhz and vram voltage at 1520mV (1519). Fan speed at 80%.
Stress the GPU to 100% usage, check for any artifacting/crashing/blue screen and report back the maximum temperature.

If the GPU OC is stable, I got final testing for you to do.
By the way, you didn't tell us your power supply unit model?
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I only set High graphic setting on the game..my PSU is Seasonic S12II Bronze 620W

err do i have to tweak that far? as a newbie in this thing, i'm scared to do advance stuff to my gpu sweat.gif

QUOTE(Najmods @ Jul 18 2015, 05:36 PM)
It's normal to get lower or higher voltage that your setting, it's either Vdroop or some sort of voltage table the VRM controller must follow. And it is normal that sometimes lower voltage gets better result, especially on your situation where the VRAM doesn't have heatsink on. Try to lower fan speed on the same setting you did to see whether is it because the VRAM temperature is the culprit is the problem or not.

Don't follow JohnLai suggestion. When you know there is problem overclocking it further is NOT the solution (increasing power target is fine), also if the VRAM really 'lemon' it will cause artifacts no matter what the voltage.
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maybe i'm not gonna overclock it that far..but i will test the fan speed..will gradually decrease the speed to see how it happen..i thought i'm not gonna be easily annoyed with the noise, but 80% speed sure is noisy and annoying.. sweat.gif sweat.gif

RMA is still an option i'm gonna do anyway but just don't know when will I'll have free time to go to PC shop for warranty claim..
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post Jul 24 2015, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 19 2015, 10:38 AM)
Good PSU, can rule out unstable pcie voltage supply.

Well..... the tweaking is up to you.

In case if you RMA your GPU, remember to double check the VBIOS version once you got a new one.
Later you got the batch with 1.6V + 1600Mhz vram = sure the vram dies sooner.
So, update accordingly before heavy gaming.

Eh,so how ar? You said you will test the gpu for more than 3 hours, still got artifacts?
EDIT: If only set the VRAM 1519mV with fan speed auto, still artifacting? Or fan speed 80% is needed?
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i'm backkk~~ rclxm9.gif

sorry busy with raya laugh.gif

to report back, i didn't do a lot to the gpu..just testing which fan speed suitable..

below 50% fan speed is a big no no for playing heavy games, 60% got small flickers n artifact some time..i find 70% the most stable, been playing witcher 3 for hours and no signs of artifacts..and the noise was not so annoying..should I increase back the memory clock to 1600MHz with current fan speed?

but i do have flicker on the screen even when i'm not gaming..just browsing sites..it's a very quick flicker, like a fraction of milliseconds..and it doesn't happen often..probably just 3rd time happening this month..

at first i think it's because there's slight current drop or some sort because that's always happen in the past to my old LG monitor when my aircond's motor start working (my room probably got bad wiring somewhere, and probably the current drop/surge killed the old monitor)..

but this month, my aircond was not switched on at the time there's flickers..and I'm using a 2 weeks old Dell S2415H now..so I think it's because of the GPU..
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post Jul 24 2015, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 24 2015, 01:15 AM)
Might as well as increase it to 1600Mhz and see if the artifacting still there. (Fan 70%, shouldn't have any issue with temperature)
There were reports on VRAM becoming unstable at low clock speed. Just dont change the VRAM voltage. Maintain it at 1519mV.
Some VRAM chips are weird in a sense the chip becomes more stable at higher clock than lower clock. Generally, the lower the speed, the more stable.
-.- flicker when browsing sites? What kind of flicker? Horizontal small lines flickering? Checker board pattern flickering? Large vertical line flickering?
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horizontal lines
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post Jul 24 2015, 03:35 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jul 24 2015, 01:35 AM)
Okay.....this is probably 2D application VRAM downclocking issue.

Hmm......not sure if msi afterburner got this functionality, I only know ASUS GPU Tweak can set the minimum vram clock speed for low GPU load (2D load).

Need to set minimum 2D VRAM clock of 300mhz or 600mhz (preferably 300mhz)
Cause by default 2D VRAM clock speed is 150mhz (some said this frequency is too low for the vram chip to function correctly or the memory controller can't response fast enough to supply voltage for the operation)

When the gpu memory controller steps up vram speed from 150mhz to 600mhz or even 1500mhz under load, the flickering occurs.
You could use asus gputweak, it has similar controls as msi afterburner.

The setting you have done in msi afterburner only applies for 3D heavy application (under heavy graphic load).  laugh.gif

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From the gputweak manual, page 18 and 19. Need to change to advanced mode for the 2D/3D option to be available.
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the memory clock rite? turn it down to 300MHz?
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post Jul 24 2015, 07:23 PM

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if PC shop is just nearby my home, it would have been wayyy easier sad.gif

but nope..all PC shop that i know provide RMA service all in KL n PJ area..

I'm in Semenyih.. sad.gif

thinking of handing it to IdealTech but their RMA charge soooo expensive (RM150) sweat.gif sweat.gif

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