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post Dec 30 2015, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(Bit0y @ Dec 30 2015, 12:21 AM)
I dont believe in this 'fast charge cable'  unless they show me an amplifier inside the cable itself. It is all based on power source, 1.0A 2.1A. Now if the cable kenot tahan the power sure burn one.

Maybe 'fast charging' cable means it can handle higher amounts of loads hence it is used for 'fast charging' which is determined by the source.

My statement is open for constructive criticism.
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many factors involved here
1. charger amperage
2. cable transfer amperage level
3. cable fast charging capability
4. phone charging capacity


like my mi3, max input is 2A, when i use my own fast charging cable with fat lines only can get around 1.8Amps. (my charger size is 5A)

1. if your phone detect is normal USB cable, then is 0.5A
2. if your phone max can charge at 1A, then if you use 2A charger and 2A cable, you will end up with 1A only.
3. fast charging is just a difference with the pinout where they shorted one of the data pin, your phone will detect this difference and allow more juice than 0.5A to flow in.
4. some of fast charging cable copper core is very thin, so can support around 1A only. good cables is thick on the core, with shorted pins to enable fast charging, and braided to prevent snapping when bent

This post has been edited by AllnGap: Dec 30 2015, 09:13 AM
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post Dec 30 2015, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(Velocity @ Dec 30 2015, 09:12 AM)
pandai ini common sense.

your charger can be 2amps but cable must be 2amps to only fully utlized it. so it takes 3 hours to charge full

but if charger 2amps but cable 1amps then it will charge and 1amps.

download galaxy current tool to test the cable charging amps.
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this app is not accurate at all,
i've tested using multimeter to test powerbank transfer and so i can verify that this app is very inaccurate.
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post Dec 30 2015, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Hattori @ Dec 30 2015, 09:14 AM)
What gave you the idea that fast charging requires an amplifier inside the cable ?
You are right here, as I have seen it happen.
But as the point given in my post above, charger current only play one of the part in fast charging.
The next factor is the cable capability to support such current being transferred to the device.
Final factor is the device itself, whether it can draw that much current from the charger through the cable.
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fast charging capability is actually shorting one of the data pin.
once this pin feature is activated, your phone will allow more than 0.5A to flow through.
If not your phone will limit charging at 0.5A
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post Dec 30 2015, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(Hattori @ Dec 30 2015, 09:31 AM)
I did post this before for PS Vita :
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...post&p=64076065

But not all device support this.
Apple devices have their own "intelligent negotiation" to internally activate the current draw.
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All microUSB devices use shorting method.

For apple cable is a small chip in its charging pin
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post Dec 30 2015, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(Hattori @ Dec 30 2015, 09:31 AM)
I did post this before for PS Vita :
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...post&p=64076065

But not all device support this.
Apple devices have their own "intelligent negotiation" to internally activate the current draw.
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If not mistaken

Apple charger has higher voltage around 5.3v

I tested with normal charger and apple charger on iPad conclusion is only apple charger capable of 2 amps.
Which i suspect was the difference in higher voltage
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post Dec 30 2015, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 30 2015, 10:09 AM)
The apple cable charging is just some resistor to activate the charging. Normal cable won't charge.
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nope,

microUSB = shorting / resistor

apple is chip based thing on connector

http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r718/l...zps68cd16d7.png

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post Dec 30 2015, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 30 2015, 10:24 AM)
I modify before la.

Just get 2pcs different reading resistor solder it to the wire. And you can charge the apple device. Need diagram.
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different ler...

that is charging and no charging status.
apple damn cb, their cable got chip, their charger got quick charging (resistor you mention)

i tested before using those 2 using normal 5V adaptor, but couldnt get apple original charging amperage.

i suspect their charger is 5.3V, ours is only 5 or 5.1V
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post Dec 30 2015, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 30 2015, 10:48 AM)
I don't understand what you mean different.

My modification is like this. I use solar to convert to 5V USB and thinking of charging all my gadget. But it won't charge the iphone or ipad even with the original cable.

So google around and find out that you need to solder some resistor into the USB port side. After modify, it work like charm.

Apple use higher voltage to compensate the long cable voltage drop. So when you use cheap cable, it drop further. (Impurity of the copper and the thin AWG)

Some battery can't take high amp to charge. It will shorten the life or hit up and fire. It have a formula to calculate. Depend on the phone designer. Otherwise it limited by the charger of amperage control.
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like this, apple original cable cant charge on normal USB. they use resistor pinout modification to identify whether charger is original or not.

the thing i'm saying is that apple charger with apple cable only achieve the highest amperage transfer.
i tried using oem cable with high amp 5V charger but still the charging amperage is not as high as original charger + cable combination
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post Dec 30 2015, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 30 2015, 11:02 AM)
I don't have the plug in amp usb checking. So I can't compare and tell the actual amp.

But I don't face any slow charging even using oem cable and adaptor. But my oem cable and adaptor is not cheap either.
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for iphone makes not much difference, but for ipad makes a lot of difference because ipad battery is about 10,000mAh.

it's not whether the thing is cheap or not, it's whether is real or original or not.

even xiaomi cable also got fake man.....so many fake things floating in the market now
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post Dec 30 2015, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 30 2015, 11:14 AM)
That is normal when you want cheap china thing.

But I not agree " it's whether is real or original or not". There is no wrong if you get cheap oem cable but high resist. Because it is cheap. But not fake.

People said you pay peanut, you get monkey.

I know about wire resistance. So I don't simply get cheap thing.

Even the oem ipad cable I get is a Belkin. So I don't see any different charging time with the original cable.
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when u use the original ipad charger and test with amp meter then you will see the difference.
i suspect ipad charger charges at 5.3V, slightly higher than normal
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post Dec 30 2015, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Hattori @ Dec 30 2015, 11:29 AM)
I bought these 2 USB meters from Amazon :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JUM2OE4
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NTU18KY

Very useful to determine whether the tested cable is up to the task or not.

I bought a 3 meter micro USB cable from All IT for RM 27, can't even charge higher than 0.8A.
I bought a cheap extremely thick 3 meter China USB cable extender from MR. DIY for RM 9, and amazingly this thing still can charge at 1.3A after adding the regular 1 meter micro USB cable at the extender end.
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i give you a simple equation to get high output for charging.
from charger, cable and phone must be these type

[ charger output = 2A ] [ fast charging enabled cable @ 2A(thick copper core) ] [ phone capable of 2A charging ]

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