Fixed

If he so believe in those stocks' "30 years future", in spite of the current forex volatility, the future growth and dividends of those stocks are gonna negate all that risks.

The world is so interconnected nowadays...

U think u spot a gem? What makes u think others won't spot it?

U wanna wait for something to happen before u act...what makes u think others (esp the big sharks) won't act sooner than u do?

He's like a typical bottom-spotter...who believe they can time the market perfectly...

Oops, salah emoticon....I must be cordial...



Abang Kuey...saya jantan lar

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 13 2015, 11:06 AM

How do you see that the future growth and dividends of a foreign stock can negate forex risk?

Ok final post for serious people who are not trolling : this is what I am looking for - a stable company with dividends above FD rates. This is not unreasonable, I've already proven it many times over. But I am useless at KLSE, maybe one of you experts know of one.

This post has been edited by wodenus: Sep 13 2015, 11:13 AM

Haven't you heard that the only guarantee in life is death? How can you ask people to guarantee something that they have no control of? Why don't you call the board of directors of each public listed company and ask them to guarantee that their company will be around for 30 years or more and that their share prices will keep going up and will give better returns than FD?

If you can find such in other markets, then good for you. Invest in them then. Since you cannot find any such in KLSE, then don't invest in this market. Since you feel KLSE may not be stable or profitable or it may be risky or overpriced , then don't invest in it.

But I may be wrong..

Let's get back to your Southern Co and Con Ed. Their dividend yield is about 4+%. I assume you are a non-resident alien. That would be taxed at 30%. Ignoring the cost of dividend charged by your brokerage. You are getting <3% for your investment, which is less than FD rates 4%. Why would you consider it "good" stock?

You missed this post ?

Wrong about what? KLSE? Believe in yourself. If yu have done well in other markets, use a similar formula to evaluate the KLSE. If it doesn't stack up to what you expect, then skip it and look elsewhere. If you are experienced in other markets, it should be fairly simple for you to determine this. Rather than depending on some strangers in a forum for advice on where to put your money. Or go get a professional fund manager or whatever for your investments. Ask them to guarantee what you want.

Blue chips?

Maybank
DiGi
Maxis
BATM
DLADY
Nestle

All are above FD rates (promotional FD rates which are usually one-off excluded)

Homework done? If not done please don't waste LYN.net bandwidth

oops sorry again...

haha

because u have a nice photo...

panggil ahmoi siok siok ma

Try calculating it.. take 8% and gradually back to 4% .. see how much you get

Psst.. if you are so hard up on yields.. i can get you 12% FD in Indonesia PIDM equivalent guaranteed. Interested?

This post has been edited by gark: Sep 13 2015, 12:21 PM

Cool.. Pm me or something

This post has been edited by wodenus: Sep 13 2015, 12:29 PM

I do feel some stocks on the KLSE is undervalued. Some companies that I have been researching, apparently is profiteering from the fall of our currency. I mainly play on structured products meaning derivatives over 85% of the time. Recently, I too backed out due to the excessive value on the warrants and I am an extremely small player to play on futures with options being a ghost town. So I get what you say.

But the fact when you mentioned stocks like Con Ed or SPDR Dividend ETF that has a higher FD rate makes it pretty redundant. Stocks like YTL Reit, Sunway and Maybank have a higher dividend rate, why don't you invest in these stocks? Unless you are mentioning that our stock market is unstable. As mentioned I half agree with you with what you said. But what I also disagreed is that you mentioned that there are no companies to play with.

In fact, I do and still have believe in the KLSE. It is a matter of did you make the right decision or not? When there is a will, there is a way.

This post has been edited by ILoveLalat.net: Sep 13 2015, 12:49 PM

So you want tips from the sifu here, but don't want to share your tips about overseas stock ? I repost my question below. If you are kind enough to teach me your good foreign stock market and pass some kangtao to me....greatly appreciated....

Dont make him start again , lol.
He replied ne with the 'can you guarantee 30 years from now " thingy
. And mentioned abt Tenaga, TM. POS as being here in 30 years. Then I 'scared' him abt how Tenaga stocks dropped when they announced going to buy 1MDB asset.

I reckon seeing the 100+ points drop scared the daylights out of him. It scared me too, at first, having been thru 1998 crisis.

The many uncertainties globally make him more scared. Then seeing the frequent swings in our KLSE make him pening.

Want returns more than FD but scared this, that, howlah to earn. We reply, he has more points to counter. Then we 'scare' him this one, that one also no guarantee, he go back square 1, ask 1st question.

Wasoshoweeeeiiiiieh !!!!

Geng!

So how do I make money trading the stock market?
Be a better trader lor...
How do I become a better trader?

Ermmm...... I make sure I get better tipsy from ........... Ah Gark!

Buried....nearly miss....






Err...

Undervalued caused by poor performance and cloudy future prospect....

Or

Undervalued caused by very bright future prospect...


Err....

Eeeenie mini mineyyyyyy more......

Right? everything seems either profitless or too expensive. Every time I look at one it's like "PE > 20 lol" or "DPS > EPS how is this sustainable".



Actually did own YTLREIT once.. until they managed to lose money running two Marriots and a Hilton. Sunway has a pretty low yield actually, or am I calculating it wrong? Maybank has a high dividend rate but they will stop the dividend when they are making a loss. Con Ed has been paying dividends for 40 years, it has not stopped, not even once, in forty years. Not only that, the dividend rate has gone up almost 20% in ten years. You want to bet that I can tell you exactly what the next dividend will be? also I can tell you, within a week, when the dividend will be issued.

See this way you can easily budget. You know how much, and you know when. You can't say that for even one local stock.



There are plenty of companies to play with (ie. gamble or speculate with) but there appear to be none to invest in for the long term.



So do I. This is why I want there to be a stock like Con Ed in the local market, and I'm hoping that someone can show me one.

This post has been edited by wodenus: Sep 13 2015, 08:18 PM

Maybank - Dividend can't be relied on. As I recall you dumped this one too.

DiGi - yea go ahead, recommend another stock that you just dumped but seriously dividend is unsustainable, and we all saw the effect when SHTF. PE > 20

Maxis - P/E 31. DPS > EPS again.

BAT - Still in a downtrend and do i really want to support them? the last thing we need is more smokers also P/E 21.

DLADY - standard dividend is actually only slightly over 2%, the rest is special dividend. P/E 23.

Nestle - P/E 30, yield 3.26%.


Let's just compare this to Con Ed :

It's a natural monopoly

P/E is 17

Yield is 4.17%

Dividend payment is so prompt and predictable I can actually tell you what the next dividend will be.. and even when it will be declared (within a week.)

So.. anything else to compare?

This post has been edited by wodenus: Sep 13 2015, 08:07 PM

So you believe Padini to be a stable company, that will provide a stable consistent dividend at this rate, that I can hold forever?

1) HOmework and watching the markets as closely. Dont want to do homework, put in FD.
I consider myself a relative newbie in stock market. Studied the market 2 to 3 months before in. Still lost in index stock during the sharp drop recently but it didnt deter me. The other half of my portfolio is profiting.
It's not like 1998, kaboom drop to less than 1,000 pts, ppl sell house, car.

2) Cant have both at the same time, low risk low return lor. High risk, high return.

3) There's a saying : The only thing constant is change. In Msia, that is true, even with blue chips as it's very politically connected. Bailouts, corruption, etc can wipe out even the best GLC.
If in the working world, tommorow your boss can be announcing VSS, retrenchment. Or another earthquake, tsunami strike, there goes the company you invested in.
If tomm the PM change, scenario change. If tomm, the DPM gets fired, change another new DPM, change scenario some more.

The way you make it sound like you're a 70 yr old uncle who work as gomen servant whole life. 70 yr old uncle also better, cos they've been thru 1986 or 87 downturn, 1998 Asian Financial crisis,etc. Market crash, company closure, retrenchment, mergers, they have seen it all.

It is not our job to convince you, it is not our job to spoonfed you either. If after doing homework still cant find one that satisfy you, go other markets, go invest in that Con Ed, settle. Scared of this, scared of that, this cannot, that cannot, no need invest, settle.

Let us continue making our 5%,10%....

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Sep 13 2015, 08:50 PM