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so queing to sell ad? or revising their tp and hopeful that the growth can be reignited?Traders Kopitiam! V8
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Nov 9 2015, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 9 2015, 09:30 AM) What do u think of a company that... have to see what business are they in? some business just need a lot of borrowings or high capax, or some business like the telco will have more borrowings or low cash in hand since they know the amount of cash which will be coming in at the end of every month....? High gross profit margin, in high teens % Revenue growth rate 20% p.a. compounded for the past 6 years BUT, very high borrowings, gearing about 100% Hence net profit margin is quite low, in single-digit % In my opinion, if the revenue growth rate and GP margin can be maintained, (1) gearing can be reduced quite fast (2) net profit margin can be improved Low single digit P/E... Can consider to delve deeper? QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 9 2015, 10:53 AM) Recently they having this 4 days sales right? you to take a look at its balance sheet? they are in the fashion line where the stocks needs to be changed every season. they're not in some staple goods business where there is no need much of fashionable changes. So how would you interpret this situation without looking at the company financial at all? Inventory build up cannot sell, so now want clear stock by selling cheap? So sales not good? but i gotta agree with you that these sales would make a dent in the "inventory loss". they even group them into 3 categories......... it puzzles me.... but as a shareholder, i'm more than happy to see the crowd and the queue to pay. they are still doing well. like what i have said before, this business model is easy to understand if you are in the retail line. RM2.50 is a bit far fetched, but RM2 is definitely achievable. but pinkie is right too, gotta observe what's in the upcoming quarterly report. let's see. |
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Nov 9 2015, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Nov 9 2015, 02:29 PM) Unker Teh has given quite good explanation d. I was expecting Unker Pinky to tambah batu api somemore hahaha by your definition, how old is consider an unker? by the way, who's unker teh? lol!For clothing/fashion line, their margins are usually very good. So whatever discount/clearance/firesale etc, they will still earn some margin for sure. So I rather a business sell off most of their stocks with minimal margins instead making impairments and writing them off at a loss. If you quantify the 3 groups of inventory losses, stocks written down to NRV, stocks W/O: overall i think the figure is still small and manageable. U should compare this figures versus those recognised in their COS and current inventory balance in BS, so the % impact is still negligible and acceptable for their line of business. All retailers and most businesses incur similar expenses but lower. Padini has been in the biz for quite a while, so I'm sure they know what they are doing despite facing massive competition all around. As Unker Pinky says it well enuf: their earnings are resilient. And this would eventually result in consistent and higher dividends in the end. |
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Nov 9 2015, 04:19 PM
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i wonder his definition. lol... i'm in my 20s and i'm uncle... maybe because i'm in my late 20s.... haha...
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Nov 9 2015, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Nov 9 2015, 04:51 PM) My 2nd para answers it already lo. I was looking from a business pov and from my personal experience to such industry. Also had an opportunity to kacau COACH stocks before too. The margins... for a noob looking accessory = wtfbbq~! all the luxury product margins are but shareholders |
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Nov 11 2015, 10:15 AM
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chillax guys....
oh wow! sea of red today, only padini and tmclife the green on my watchlist.... what happen eh? |
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Nov 11 2015, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 11 2015, 10:33 AM) I am chill. My points highlighted against Padini were based on what the numbers were showing... if my interpretation of the numbers were wrong, please feel free to point out so..... for example, profits were down (margins were down too! ) and the profit trend wasn't encouraging either.... with such profits and decline in dividends, was it WRONG to declare Padini as an average company? (some might even call it poor too!)...... it was no malice and it wasn't personal.... more so, my older postings in 2013, showed that I was not impressed with the stock too..... that's my opinion...... and don't we come to stock forum to share opinions? but sadly.... stock forum has always its cliches.... one with vested interest rarely like it when others state the obvious against their vested interests.... it's normal. and if we are adult enough... we should know our own personal poison consumption.... and yeah... there's always the ignore function. Padini make up 30% of my portfolio, I invested some years ago with an average of about 1.5, now with the price of about 1.66 together with the dividends receipt to-date, easily 25% and above plus the small capital gain, this stock alone gives me about close to 35% gain in less than 4 years. I know, it’s just average, nothing to shout about deal, but with annual dividends coming in, as a shareholder who doesn’t go for a roller coaster ride, pretty good investment isn’t it? In conclusion, every company that gives you positive return is a good trade, agree? Cheers. NB: pls don’t mind my English, usage of words and grammar of the posts, I don’t have time to go and correct time, I just type whatever comes into my mind, so long you understand me will do. |
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Nov 11 2015, 11:00 AM
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Nov 11 2015, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Nov 11 2015, 11:03 AM) There's a blog post on Padini vs Uniqlo: Thanks for the link, I will have a good read when I’m free. But at one glance, padini is still holding the upper hand (at least in the current local market).Padini vs Uniqlo? Read the comments part as well. Read Forbes article as well. Search for Part 1 to 3. The future of fashion retailing Another article which I find fascinating although I have read about them before, but it is still a reminder/refresher to me. Not related to Padini and Uniqlo. But the concept can be applied. Rapid Growth PS: I like Ah Boon's poison teeeheee. But still long way to reach his level The journey of a thousand miles begins with a first step~ PSS: Tehoice, how's your guppies doing. haha i think a lot of your cash goes to buying more tanks and maintaining them. Changing water frequently = pain in the butt. The remain are to be seen, can anyone borrow me your crystal ball? Hehe… Haha…. Yeah, I spent a lot in expanding my tanks and getting stocks previously! But now are slowly recovering, no more rapid expansion now, will stop growing for 2-3 years, going to concentrate on just improving my margins and maintaining high quality stocks. Haha…. (since we are in stock exchange, gotta speak more jargons than just lay man guppy language). By the way, my guppies are doing really great, forseeing some good cash in-flow in 3-4 months time, you wanna book yours first (do you keep guppies)? Give you a special discount first, since we all same “kaki” haha… frequent water changing is a must la, in order to keep my biological inventory in good state, or later I gotta write off my inventory you know! Haha…. |
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 11 2015, 11:13 AM) Looking at Tekan Besi mar huh, what's tekan besi? TC-Titan it's a good but not a fair comparison... Uniqlo started from a low base (little no. of outlets relative to Padini's), 1 additional outlet opening will bump up the figures by a lot, whereas if Padini were to open/close 1 outlet, the impact would not be significant. then from what you say, each outlet will have more marginal impact for uniqlo (from basic point of view, seems a better business right? Edit: press metal is it? lol...... i mau tekan bubis vietmoi stock got ar? This post has been edited by tehoice: Nov 11 2015, 11:20 AM |
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 11 2015, 11:22 AM) Translate to England and u will know yeah i know, see my edited. i mau press something else... haha....No... uniqlo kan got lesser outlets compared to Padini? Let's say u have 4 outlets, each can deliver sales of RM200K, so total RM800K U open 1 more outlet, bring in another RM100K (new outlet mar, so starting slow sikit) RM100K / RM800K = sales naik 12.5% But if u are Padini, got e.g. 100 outlets U open 1-2 more outlet, the additional sales gonna be minimal in % terms Just like, if u compare Maybank to Alliance Bank lar...the scale of operation and base for comparison are different. So, if u compare their improvement in topline, not a fair comparison Totally agree on your observation...Padini is more mass market, whereas uniqlo is more mid-upper. Easiest way to see is, I don't see many meleis at uniqlo outlet at MidValley, whereas at Padini I see many melei customers. ok.jpg, noted on the explanation and I understand. Yeah the target audience is important, I don’t deny that the mid-upper has more spending powahhh but economies of scale is one of the padini’s strengths. I believe they can capitalise their lower costs of production, mobility costs, and avenue of distributing it (end-user platform, i.e. more outletssss). |
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Nov 11 2015, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 11 2015, 11:39 AM) Appteciate your lengthy reply. Makes my day. Yes, in a sense, all trade that yields a positive return HAS got to be a good trade. No doubt. But as a trader, I for one, seek repitition of success. Can we repeat such a trade? Oh, yes. i agree. There is always a reason for poor results. But then....which is why, if you look back a couple of pages, I posted the past few trends. What's the trend? One year good, one year bad. Numbers ding dong. Again, reasons aside, I call it average ( apparently average was offending...lol) For my style, stock like this will not pass my screener. It's average. I? I like to aeek companies who are doing good. And not average. AsvI believe good companies with good results should yield better results for my trades in the long run. i once worked for my ex-boss on a deal that is 100% write off. i don't want to name my ex-boss, but everyone knows him. he wanted to purchase to some warrants. but he cant convert the warrants cos he is holding about 32% of the mother share, anything more than 33%, he has to do a GO. but the warrants is expiring in 6 months time (the value of the warrants will go down as it nears the expiry). he still die die want to subscribe the warrants. so 6 months later, few million down the drain, write off in the accounts. so? is there a winner? is that a winning trade? obvious answer is no and he still wanna do it. maybe he has his own reason that no one knows. so how???? you wanna comment/rate such purchase > write-off? moral of the story? too much of $$$ and he rather burn it than giving it to us as bonus. lol.... |
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Nov 11 2015, 02:03 PM) I use to rear some fishes. But all Koed, kena makan by each other lol lol... start small la you... see when do you wanna start only... very easy one....Thinking very hard whether to rear some again n not let them eat each other again Lolz. Will book from u next time when I do start. Your side biz really good leh. When want to buka kedai? Your stocks mainly from Taiwan only? nola, i keep them as a hobby only, never thought of opening shop. i wanna climb my corporate ladder..... yeah, mainly from taiwan, but now i got stocks from Philippine too pm me when you want it ya, but depends on availability or you gotta wait. |
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 11 2015, 05:23 PM) Nice story. fend off possible takeovers? no no no, no one in the company (the major shareholders other than the controlling shareholders can take it private).My view on why he would make such a move? Well, although the warrants appears to be 'valueless', I feel he would still want to subscribe to those warrants because he would want to maintain a certain percentage of shareholding in the company.... that way, he can fend off any possible takeovers.... so the 'wasted millions' just becomes a cost to maintain his status quo.... errr..... ask him if I am correct. no one else, he's the 2nd largest shareholder in the company. who else can take over? literally no one, other than the controlling shareholders to take it private or him triggering the Code and gotta launch a GO to take over. so you're definitely not right. my direct superior also doesnt know why. haha... let bygone be bygone, it's been 2 years now already. |
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Nov 11 2015, 05:42 PM) He didn't consult Ah Boon, that's why ma like that lo... lol... my ex company no one doesn't know.... giant conglomerate... haha... the rest is history...Sure kena counselling wan... must know his "poison" and know himself. To Ah Boon: j/k boss, don't kill me plz. Your ex-comp starts with a "T" right? Come come the three of us, together with Ah Pinky pindah to SG Dunno why suddenly thought of moving there haha. don't want la, i can't move my business to sg la... lol... |
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