Jonathan Nolan screenplay wor 

Well, some of us aren't guided by rotten tomato, sure it has a peaksure on general films. I do find the dystopian future likable. I not a a big fan of sams work. (Look where is he, just saying)

In the article, it stated bale mentioned his work didn't (quite) work but not elaborated. It's far from being critical.

T2>salvation/T1>T3

Looking at gross takings too it's about there despite what tomato rotten had to say

Well, everyone is a fan of a series/franchise movie or a particular band because of what it embodies. At the very least the main structure of the movie, without that it falls apart. Nobody wants an unexpected 'wizard-of-oz' stewed into a sci fi movie just because it's maybe innovative, unexpected or compoundly different from the previous instalment.   

I don't know every time T3 (rise of the machines) movie appears on the telly, or reshown on TV, it feels like a very made-for-tv, no grandeur, no mystical magic unlike even T1 0r T2 (when its played on the small box).    Well, as you mentioned our opinions differ. perhaps some other movies we may find a middle ground. 

there are those who ride on their reputation and there are those who will want to do better than their last movie.. few genuine one left.

of course some we will forgive if they stumble in 1 or 2 movie but their desire to want to make good movies and try not to milk/ride on their reputation.

Hey I wasn't shifting goal post, just saying.

I think there are 2 type of fans of the terminator movie franchise. There are those that just enjoy the actions, guns blazing, hasta la vista baby, being intrigued by human cyborg...kinda don't have to think much, but enjoy all the action + a American Austrian accent one-liners.

What I think some f I feel salvation move into a wee more thinking for your ordinary fans of the franchise. Some understood, many didn't.

Hey you made your reasons known, I respect that. I sure do hope as the testimony of several forumers here too dislike T3. To us it the least, T3 seems like an kinda outcast movie, casting of the roles were not quite there. Action seemed the same same fare or less

What some fans of this series/franchise can identify for example; what they like, for example a memorable action scene in each particular Terminator movie series.

T1 - seeing for the very first time how Arnie,T800 reveal itself the hard cool metal beneath the flesh. It was mind blowing back then seeing a very well built mr.universe  arnie withstanding hail of bullets and all. Hurray Arnie!

T2 - the awesomeness of the large truck chase bike. scene where a superior t1000 could take what is given, man that. Arnie in the Harley jump! and scarying the shite of movie goers where a smaller terminator could morph. Dude, a killer cyborg can transform into liquid metal! Hastalavista Arnie

t3 - I don't remember much. Oh yah, ok girl terminator 

T4 - the fight for survival in the begining, where John Connor, the helicopter crash in a "seemingly" single shot scene &  the fight with those terminators., and the awesome terminator bikes!! What ruined salvation for me as I said was Marcus wright. He may have received commendable credit for his role here and of avatar (I didnt enjoy avatar. Sorry world, I found it terribly zzz). He is no main lead, can't carry a film. He is no next Russell Crowe

Some talking point in my head, whenever I get to rewatch any of these movies, I kinda always look forward to watching these scenes again. Well,  my guess too for those yearning for action sequences

Many talking point I read why many felt  dissatisfied of t4 salvation was  there is very little Arnie. That 1-2 minutes of all glory of Arnie is just not enough. People pay to watch terminator because of Arnold T800!
Okay let's not get overboard on this t1, t2, t3, t4. Let's move on

It to arrive at the theaters, the all new Terminator Genisys. Yeah more Arnie, even if he is older, he is still the hasta la vista Arnie the T800 the reason T5 gets made