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post May 29 2009, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ May 28 2009, 10:11 PM)
I'm a terminator fan, watched all the movies and TV series (sarah).

It was hard for me to open my eyes at the beginning stage (after the heli crash)...blame it on watching too much terminator stuff previous night. Mid way, story picked up and end of it....nothing to shout abt. (except for the action scenes which was very good...up to todays standards).
-Tense and suspense scenes were missing...it was never like T1 where you are sitting edge of the seat, maybe there was too much of it in T4 or not executed well by the director.
-Void of humor (yes, it does matter even with a Terminator movie, T2 was great, even T3 had some humor). Now I can understand why some critics mention it.
-Infiltration to skynet was way too easy...I was thinking of nothing less than ninja skills or superman to break into skynet alone, even with Marcus help.
-Another problem is it started and ended in 2018......even in 2029, humans were having a hard time with skynet...so 2018 is just a passing year...so when are we humans gonna win the war....T5, T6 or T7?
-Thing is...why did he has to save Kyle Reese?...yes, I know its mention in T1, but think of it....John Connor is alive right?...even with his dad getting killed, he will still be alive.....how many 'worlds' are there bro?....suppose someones dad gets killed by an accident means that the child is not born?...but the child now is already been born and kicking butts. i remembered in 2029, John in still alive (but older with the scar face) fighting a war.

End of the day, after rewinding back T1,2 and 3...plus all of that sarah chronicles, come to my senses abt the whole Terminator Story and the fall of it in T4...hope they wont mess it up in T5.

I personally give it a 6/10! sorry fanz....6 because the action was good, and they didn't forget Arnie....or else its a 4/10.
I would have given an 8 if it was not rated U, with more F words, more gore, more epic battle, more hope of the survival of mankind, and i wanna clap my hands or cry in the end of the show....sadly all this was missing.
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I agree with this. I had high hopes for T4 but as predicted, came out of the cinema dissapointed. I agree with you about how gripping T1 and T2 were, both release featured gritting cat and mouse action thriller - iconic scenes and memorable dialogs. No comments on T3, thought it was a forgetful all action, no substance film. T4 had some good scenes and concepts, but sadly i felt they werent executed or flowed appropriately. The more i think about what they've could done to some of the stuff in the film, the more i get dissapointed with it. The movie had a good look and feel about it, but somehow the dialogues and direction really cheesed me off. Film was predictable, but then again which Terminator film isnt - but hey if you going to 'reboot' the entire franchise might as well go for the jugular imo.

Agree with the piss cake inflirtration, here i was expecting some bad-azz defense perimeter ala the matrix, only to find out it was defended by a lone turret that was easily hacked and switched off, and a couple or so of outdated T400 on patrol. Sigh. Real anti climax for me. And the final insult was the fact that Skynet actually 'planned' the whole thing - say cheese ? - yet somehow allowed the resistance to prevail at the end ? Double sigh.

Oh dont get me started with the whole Terminator back to the future paradox. Its messed up. For John Connor to exist, he has to send Kyle Reese so he could be conceived. So somewhere down the line, he needs to send Kyle back to past doesnt he ? If not, why does it matter if Kyle dies ? So basically, Kyle gets sent back to conceive him and the whole cycle restarts again for what seems eternity. Ridiculous.

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QUOTE(feralee @ May 29 2009, 01:50 PM)
is either T1 or T3 the model is T101  sweat.gif
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my apologise

T1 & T2 = T-101

T3 = T-800
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post May 29 2009, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ May 29 2009, 03:06 AM)
The action scenes in T2 when Arnie with that Chopper bike against T1000 with the huge tow truck  trying to save young John Connor were better and more intense...

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Uh, there is one other thing that's bothering me while im watching it, the incident about "christian bale goes berserk at salvation movie set", so every time I saw Christian bale pop-out in any scene I kept wondering if that was the scene when the incident occured.
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post May 29 2009, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(feralee @ May 29 2009, 01:50 PM)
is either T1 or T3 the model is T101  sweat.gif
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Arnie is Model T101...but his figures comes with the most common T800, T850, or maybe he was in a tougher T888 in T4.
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QUOTE(azbro @ May 28 2009, 04:43 PM)
So whats your personal  ratings over 10?  hmm.gif
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2 or 3 at most, and I like T3 but they should have stopped at the second.
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post May 29 2009, 02:33 PM

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Is everyone forgetting that this is a fiction? Everything doesnt have to be logical..
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But it does has to be of quality, and fun. Star Trek had lots of convenient coincidences and illogical moments to if you think about it, but it doesn't prevent it from being a good movie.
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post May 29 2009, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Stupidity Police @ May 29 2009, 02:31 PM)
2 or 3 at most, and I like T3 but they should have stopped at the second.
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I remembered I was in Japan in 90s watching T2...over there they even give you nice T2 booklets and goody bag...and best thing is, if you are in the Cinema hall, you can watch all movies the whole day without paying extra, but of course need to check a simple screen for seat availability.

In T2, watching Arnie taking out his shotgun from the roses was like poetry in motion.
I cried watching Arnie going into that molten furnace with his thumbs ups.
T1000 was just awesome.

In T1, Linda hamilton's life was hanging by the thread right till the end.
A lot of blood and F words just make things interesting and funny as well.

What happen to all that in the newer Terminator movies?

I think better treat T4 as a fresh movie and do not refresh yourself with watch T1,2and 3 prior to watching T4....Its hard to beat Arnie and James Cameron at their own game...you'll be disappointed.

QUOTE(Stupidity Police @ May 29 2009, 02:38 PM)
But it does has to be of quality, and fun. Star Trek had lots of convenient  coincidences and illogical moments to if you think about it, but it doesn't prevent it from being a good movie.
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Actually, since you mention it....for me Star Trek was the better movie.....only thing is it lacked imaginative ideas in dealing with enemies that made the movie series so watchable...but due to the characters are so young...its forgivable.....it was only OK for Terminator Salvation...but thumbs up for Star Trek. And bad news is, I'm not a Trekkie fan.


End of the day, there was 30 pages built up to its release, I think hopefully, not another 30pages to discuss its shortcomings....

Same like cloverfield..the was a lot of discussion before and after the screenings.....but for me cloverfield rocks...

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just watched it today. very cool movie, well, i didn't expected the storyline about marcus, guess a little but didn't know it turn out to be that way.

i give 7/10. well, same with some comments by others, they should have just stop at T2. T3 was a disappointment. T Salvation is cool, really showing that human is in ultimate desperate level to keep themselves survived.
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QUOTE(keeseng12 @ May 29 2009, 04:40 PM)
just watched it today. very cool movie, well, i didn't expected the storyline about marcus, guess a little but didn't know it turn out to be that way.

i give 7/10. well, same with some comments by others, they should have just stop at T2. T3 was a disappointment. T Salvation is cool, really showing that human is in ultimate desperate level to keep themselves survived.
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I agreed wif u! Bcos IMO,T2 has a perfect ending!
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34% on RottenTomatoes... question is how does this translate to us ? A typical action-flick worthy of a 6/10 or 7/10 ?

Was expecting a really decent score. Hmm...

Probably watch it next week.
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post May 29 2009, 05:30 PM

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liked this movie thumbup.gif

cant rmember t1 and t2 altho i liked it back in da day.
t3 sucks
t4 way better than t3

i give it 7/10

spoiler review:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

still... a fun movie for the boom boom bang bang tongue.gif

also, as someone said for the jugular which i assumed meant for moon bloodgood's scene? gotta wait for blu-ray for that drool.gif

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post May 29 2009, 05:54 PM

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sshahar9, you might want to put a spoiler in the middle. U're exposing slight spoiler of the ending.

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post May 29 2009, 06:04 PM

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lol shahar thats a fair assesment.

Like what you said there about 2nd chance. I too agree the impact of it was a letdown, simply because the execution wasnt right, and there's hardly any emotions in the film. I really like the dude playing Marcus, but i dont think his heroic gesture was truly captured and climaxed in the film. I remember how taken back i was when i first saw the visually driven heroism of Arnie in T2, with the Terminator theme in the background. That was epic for me - granted i was only a teen back then. But still, you catch my drift. T4 was missing that epic theme and iconic moments imo.

I still stand on my prior view that McG was the wrong guy for this movie. He may think he deserves 2nd chance, but to me he's as good as terminated lol.
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QUOTE(Ilianas_Toy @ May 29 2009, 02:33 PM)
Is everyone forgetting that this is a fiction? Everything doesnt have to be logical..
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ive never watch a single episode of star trek
once i watch it... i really do hope they will make more sequels (with quality of course)

and star trek is even more illogical than terminator....


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QUOTE(hfi @ May 29 2009, 06:04 PM)
T4 was missing that epic theme and iconic moments imo.

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i agree. i like epic movies and this didn't feel epic.
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post May 29 2009, 06:18 PM

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the movie is mainly acted by the Arnold.
i mean 1 2 and 3..
but when i step into the cinema..
watching T4 for 2 and the half hours..
arnold is just out for few second..
seriously speaking, without arnold..
terminator wouldn't like terminator as before..
is just like he is part of the movie..
he cannot be left up..
moreover..
is kinda contradict that..
in T4..
T-800 is being so tough and strong compare to the T2 and T3..
this is really really very....
fake i should say..
overall, i will prefer Marcus Wright the character rather than John Connor..
he is really doing his part..
and i really love him so much..
he didnt get control by the Skynet when he is given a second chance..
instead, he knew what he wants and he knew what to do to save the Human races..
i suppose Marcus Wright the character is over-taken Arnold as the terminator..
overall
i rate this show a 8/10
Christian Bale did his job very well too..
well done...

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QUOTE(azbro @ May 29 2009, 03:51 PM)
I remembered I was in Japan in 90s watching T2...over there they even give you nice T2 booklets and goody bag...and best thing is, if you are in the Cinema hall, you can watch all movies the whole day without paying extra, but of course need to check a simple screen for seat availability.

In T2, watching Arnie taking out his shotgun from the roses was like poetry in motion.
I cried watching Arnie going into that molten furnace with his thumbs ups.
T1000 was just awesome.

In T1, Linda hamilton's life was hanging by the thread right till the end.
A lot of blood and F words just make things interesting and funny as well.

What happen to all that in the newer Terminator movies?

I think better treat T4 as a fresh movie and do not refresh yourself with watch T1,2and 3 prior to watching T4....Its hard to beat Arnie and James Cameron at their own game...you'll be disappointed.
Actually, since you mention it....for me Star Trek was the better movie.....only thing is it lacked imaginative ideas in dealing with enemies that made the movie series so watchable...but due to the characters are so young...its forgivable.....it was only OK for Terminator Salvation...but thumbs up for Star Trek. And bad news is, I'm not a Trekkie fan.
End of the day, there was 30 pages built up to its release, I think hopefully, not another 30pages to discuss its shortcomings....

Same like cloverfield..the was a lot of discussion before and after the screenings.....but for me cloverfield rocks...
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agreed, those t1 and t2 are super damn awesome film. it will never been beaten to the new film. those film also was well-edited, well-designed and well-story'd. it's jim, he was a smart-as person whistling.gif . his new film like Avatar ain't just planning like 1-2 days and then boom, we start film. NO

QUOTE(ChrisWeiYuan @ May 29 2009, 07:18 PM)
the movie is mainly acted by the Arnold.
i mean 1 2 and 3..
but when i step into the cinema..
watching T4 for 2 and the half hours..
arnold is just out for few second..
seriously speaking, without arnold..
terminator wouldn't like terminator as before..
is just like he is part of the movie..
he cannot be left up..

moreover..
is kinda contradict that..
in T4..
T-800 is being so tough and strong compare to the T2 and T3..
this is really really very....
fake i should say..
overall, i will prefer Marcus Wright the character rather than John Connor..
he is really doing his part..
and i really love him so much..
he didnt get control by the Skynet when he is given a second chance..
instead, he knew what he wants and he knew what to do to save the Human races..
i suppose Marcus Wright the character is over-taken Arnold as the terminator..
overall
i rate this show a 8/10
Christian Bale did his job very well too..
well done...
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seriously? you had something on your eyes when watching T3? arnies old. he looked stupid on T3 and so does T-X. seriously, if somebody remember this stuff then they know what kind of T3 would be like. its director wants more jokes and humor than actions on T3. that's why the terminator look so dumb and obvious doh.gif
but as for arnie's fan, they didn't even care about arnold's age. they want their actor to star on the terminator, then they can sleep flawlessly.

i think t-800's strength is true. it was hard to terminate. a bullet won't kill those stuff. T1's t-800 was damaged because of the collision with the truck while T2 is damaged by the true-power of t-100 while T3 got the t-800 shot with a powerful weapon by T-X.

lol, watch this film for 2nd time and i liked it even more! wink.gif


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QUOTE(ChrisWeiYuan @ May 29 2009, 06:18 PM)
the movie is mainly acted by the Arnold.
i mean 1 2 and 3..
but when i step into the cinema..
watching T4 for 2 and the half hours..
arnold is just out for few second..
seriously speaking, without arnold..
terminator wouldn't like terminator as before..
is just like he is part of the movie..
he cannot be left up..
moreover..
is kinda contradict that..
in T4..
T-800 is being so tough and strong compare to the T2 and T3..
this is really really very....
fake i should say..
overall, i will prefer Marcus Wright the character rather than John Connor..
he is really doing his part..
and i really love him so much..
he didnt get control by the Skynet when he is given a second chance..
instead, he knew what he wants and he knew what to do to save the Human races..
i suppose Marcus Wright the character is over-taken Arnold as the terminator..
overall
i rate this show a 8/10
Christian Bale did his job very well too..
well done...
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Arnie is a 101 model...he can be in any body in the T8XX series.
I think he was in a T888 body in T4...cause thats the strongest T8XX series around and had a higher melting point than the T800 or T850.
Thats the most logical reason Arnie could kill the malfunction T800 robot easily and withstand the hot metal coming out of the furnace.

I've seen Christian Bale doing much better acting that this woody character.

Things will be even better in the series to come...I would expect the event of human peace or wining the war to be better than The Matrix (which is oledi very good).
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QUOTE(azbro @ May 29 2009, 07:15 PM)
Arnie is a 101 model...he can be in any body in the T8XX series.
I think he was in a T888 body in T4...cause thats the strongest T8XX series around and had a higher melting point than the T800 or T850.
Thats the most logical reason Arnie could kill the malfunction T800 robot easily and withstand the hot metal coming out of the furnace.

I've seen Christian Bale doing much better acting that this woody character.

Things will be even better in the series to come...I would expect the event of human peace or wining the war to be better than The Matrix (which is oledi very good).
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Nope, Arnold's cyborg is the prototype of the T800 that is being mass produced in that facility, the first of its kind with flesh and blood
And the terminator which its tracking sensor got malfunctioned by Kyle Reese is the T600. Heck, if there is a T700 in there, we wouldn't be able to differentiate it as well...oh well, Arnie destroyed it just like that >_>

Anyway, about the explosive rounds that Connor uses against Arnie, the first shot, didn't even knocked the T800 down. But when Kyle Reese shot the T800, it flew....what the heck >_> Connor was point blank man.....

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