stick to engineering, any tom, d*** and harry with quarter of a brain can do IT work.

probably the kind that  your spastic penguin is doing.

IT is very common in malaysia..even a non IT Graduate fellow  oso know IT,example for lailai chai he..oso know..
that why i  quit my IT study got for Multimedia Design now..

every employee will give chance to freshie,
it really depend on ya social skills..
non of a company will hate u..when u first working..
is all abt ur relationship,connection with them..

and then..i too agree..many IT  degree holder is very choosy nowaday (maybe they born in rich family) or ( go oversea study)
they think that 1.5k too them like very cheapnish..like to compare to others..

do not..fellow ppl footstep..do ya best on ur own..
gain exp first..is the first priority..and most important..

Actually one thing. Working is different than studying.
I do agree that when i was in college the lecture really mean nothing. Only let us know the concept and don't have much pratical for it. We need to have more hands on of it in order to know more. Cause i think like programming...when u work on it then u will be able to learn more.

Another things is the employer. Most of them don't give chance to freshie. If no freshie then how to have senior. Everyone also start from zero. But now i think many small IT company not doing so well also.

hmmm...if I were to hazard a guess, your penguin is probably working for an alternate solution to fermat's last theorem. then again that's nothing compared to your highly technical and scientifically grounded IT job.

I have no idea why any universities would want to offer an IT degree, its neither here nor there. Universities are for academic endeavors, if you want something vocational, call it a polytechnic.

Well, i think the income for Malaysian is usually not enough high for them to spend on IT. Most of IT hardware and software are import from other countries. If an American income got USD3000, he can spend for a Winfast 9750GX2 TDH for only around USD500. But a Malaysian need to spend for RM2000 to buy it. That is very expensive..

Somemore, a lot of local companies don't believe that IT can help their business. A lot of companies' Director think that IT department is always a wastage of company. They more prefer on their sales and production department.

These are the things which you would do if you're doing computer science or engineering. My impression of an IT degree is that they would go through most things, programming, OS, networking etc but nothing very deep. hence the  comment "neither here nor there".

Here are some tips when writing a resume

1. Emphasize the skills related to that particular area that you want to work on
2. DO NOT EVER wrote MS-Office as one of your skills!!!
3. Write ALL your RELATED work experience in details, the tools you use etc...
4. If you want a job for programmer for example, DO NOT EVER write your work experience in say, waitress. Employer DON"T CARE. In fact we might think that you're a lousy programmer who cannot get a job.

^- they starting to value u after u becoming no life, workaholic and just do everything and say "yes" to anything, staying damn late for company sake. still they value ur hardworking only and think that u one person can do multiple jobs, still never value ur skill.

a good and skill person wont always stays back as they already know wat they need to do and therefore accomplish things very fast, still these ppl are not good in employers eyes, as these guys oftenly leave on time and since finished things fast, they are consider "free" most of the times and get "more" jobs to do.

^- yeap might be applied to all fields, but i can see IT the worst, i have quite some friends work till next day 3am den go back and start working again 8am -.- ..... this not for a few days but weeks... and usually they went off around 10 - 11 pm ....

^- if its like that, i really wondering wats happened in our country working culture. wat i can say is employees fault, those so called hardworking or workaholic employees actually started this kind of culture by staying late as of employers will look on them, slowly those employers expect such employees although its clearly against the law.

really like some multinational company or overseas working culture. they come on time and leave on time, if u wanted to stay back, u need to make a report and state down the reasons for the manager. staying back MEANS either u are not efficient enough or something wrong with their schedule.

those ppl that willingly stay back just for the sake of staying back are quite selfish i would say, one stay another follow and stay later, and then become culture, so later all work from 9am -10pm (assume 9am-5pm standard hours) and then later all work until 12am and so on, later and later by your children time i think they do not even need to sleep next time they work if this keeps going.

No.  Have you? Even if they work crazy hours, how is their overtime and benefits?  Just because they work crazy hours like we do doesnt mean we should.  Perhaps they are getting the proper compensation.  We cannot really compare their early days to our current situation without more details.

As for their current practices, do you know about all the development methodologies coming out, like Agile based methodologies such as scrum, etc?  You know why all these was developed?  Because their industry also realize there is abig problem in their whole process when projects keep failing.  But unlike us, they recognize the problem and find ways to fix it.  When a methodology fails, they look at it and try to improve it and come out with better methodologies.  Sure its not perfect, but its a long way from what we practice here.  Look at Malaysia, how many companies acknowledge their failure and learn from it.  When projects fails, mass resignation occurs, and the company just does a mass recruitment, the cycle keeps repeating.  How many development houses even bother to look at some of the existing methodologies and try to fit it in their process?  So many local companies dont even bother about putting in the right process, they think its a waterfall process, but more like rojak, take requirement and hack at it with as much resource as many hours as you have and deliver.  When there are customer change request, hack at it some more, not enuff resource? hire sumore and keep hacking at it.  They are working hard but not working smart.

Umm MNCs located overseas or MNCs located in Malaysia?  To me a lot MNCs in Malaysia face the same problem as local Malaysian companies if it is being run by locals, it doesnt really matter if its MNC or foreign company, as long as the management is being run by locals then its a Malaysian-style company and suffer the same problems.

As I said, foreign companies run into same problems, but in general they do try to look at failures and learn from it.  That is why we see so many processes and methodologies cropping up, it is a result of people who identified the problems and trying to fix it.  Sure the processes or methodologies may not be perfect, but it sure as hell beat the chaotic way of doing things blindly.  Unlike here, when things go wrong, there will be casualties.  There is no effort to stop and take a look at the whole process and fix it.  Its either a technical problem, in which case as I pointed out mass exodus of technical employees and a big rehiring or in very rare cases a management mistake and a company restructure.  Our mentality is always look for the blame and fix it by removing the blame.  Not look at all the factors and change to adapt to it.

"Only drones and worker ants stay late..... Staying late because other people are staying late is called "presenteism"....." - Richard Templer, the author of "The rule of work".  How very true the fact he has mentioned in his book. But sometime, I believe it just couldn't be help.... For System/network admin, they have to work after work hour to troubleshoot or perform maitenance.   

from what i understood from my degree study in IT, IT is mainly about programming,the algorithm u think to solve ur problem.

nothin else rather than that.

walau....knowing just visual basic cant take u to any IT job.if like this, i think my little brother 11 years old can worl liao....

In my opinion, IT should be a compulsory subject in the primary schools and secondary schools. IT subjects should be combined with other courses.

Or,

The colleges or the universities should introduce the students to any other weird courses.

There's too many IT students.

i thought tmnut and other other isp need alot of network engineers to increase and manage their bandwidth?
Somemore, I thought celcom & maxis need alot of java programmers/developers to provide their 3G services? What about nokia,motorola...?
Anyone considers research? like artificial intelligence, virtual reality and stuff like that?
Or Ethical Hacking? I heard that hacking, ethically, earns someone alot of $$?
Anyway, this is just my thought, or rather dreams, as i know that M'sia is way too far behind in these fields. Perhaps in M'sian context, application of software and maitenence is the best an I.T grad can do. I maybe wrong.