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post Aug 27 2021, 04:08 AM

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QUOTE(syafiqdanial @ Aug 18 2021, 08:57 AM)
Hi there!

I have own both models that you have enquired. Both are 1.5hp models and both are located in my bedroom.

The X-Deluxe is located at my “living-room” area of my bedroom, basically a small area where i designated a sofa and a lazy chair whereas the X-Premium is near by bed area.

Now, i’ll give you a mini review as to why one model is better than the other.

X-Premium - I purchased this in June 2021 for RM2150. It replace a 1.0hp Hitachi non-inverter R32 CKM series.
X Deluxe - Purchased in January 2021 for RM1780. New install.

Now, X-Premium is a better buy on all fronts!

Why i say so?

- Better air volume, seriously there’s much more air coming out of the vanes than the x-deluxe, hence faster cool
- the louver design is better (aesthetically speaking hehe)
- the remote is more modern although its not backlit (i though i was getting the same remote as the previous sky series)
- the air filtration is better (my room is dusty, like always, i have 4 windows, 2 overlooks the south, 1 facing North and 1 facing east, all are open constantly except when i turn on the aircond or if its rainy. The X-deluxe has much more dust on its fins as the filter is smaller and flimsier compared to the x-premium which has a larger filter. So far after using for 2 months ++, theres not a single dust on the aluminium fins of my x-premium whereas the x-deluxe is chocked with dust ON ITS FINS!!)
- x-premium has wifi built in as well as a humidity sensor (the wifi module costs RM229.00 the cheapest on Shopee). Trust me the panasonic app is a godsend!!! I could easily monitor my energy usage and set all the features from that single app. None are left behind!
- has a left-right auto louver direction (i dont use it much so mehh)
- has an auto up-down louver (as in, once the temp is reached, it may remain fixed facing 90 degrees to give a shower effect cooling) not to be confused with “Auto” on X-Deluxe where it basically swings up and down constantly

cons for X-premium
- the remote is not ergonomically designed. Its hard to press the up/down louver position without accidentally hitting the off button (for someone with big thumbs like me) [refer pic below]
- its a bit expensive but factor in the in built wifi (RM229) + the pros above and its a darn good value for money product

X-Deluxe is okay

- its cheaper and has Nanoe-X (it legit works!)
- it gets the job done (cools your room and saves electricity)
- remote is better designed (no accidental presses) albeit boring looking
- if i have a restricted budget, i may just get this.
For the outdoor model:

both have the same appearance [pic below] although as i have monitored, both have different logic of operations (since its easily accessible by me, i legit monitored its operations hehe)

Lemme explain… (situation: powerful mode on X-Deluxe, I-Auto X on X-Premium, both set at 27 degrees celcius. Room temp should be around 31 degrees)

The x-deluxe starts by spinning the fan and slowly syncs the fan speed with the compressor speed.

The x-premium starts by spinning the fan fast (like 50% speed) even while the compressor its just starting up, then it maintains 100% speed even when the compressor is only at 70%.

both of the situation aforementioned only apply at startup.

For temperature consistency, i notice that the x-deluxe does a bad job as the room feel a bit stuffy as it will try hard to operate at the lowest frequency even if you did not turn on “Eco” whereas the X-Premium for some reason has a nicer cooling effect so as to not make the room stuffy, it aims for humidity (hence humidity sensor built in) rather than temp alone.

Regarding noise, both do excellent job. However, for the compressor on the x-deluxe, i notice that at 30% - 40% frequency, there will be noticeable vibrations emanating from the compressor, its like the compressor is touching the casing and its quite loud. The issue is less prominent on the x-premium (i think Panasonic fixed it?). But i attribute these observations due to the scroll compressor design.

As a comparison, my mum’s Daikin 2.0hp FTKG-T is much much quieter and softer while operating. The Hermetic swing compressor is a marvel piece of technology (although the aircond itself is barebones in terms of specification). Value for money still goes to Panasonic!

Its entirely up to you to choose now. Good luck!

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Interested for this X-Premium Inverter model for my master bedroom. Currently using 1.5hp LG Dual Inverter for my master bedroom but feel less cold perhaps due to underpower hp. My master bedroom is 225sqft and window face east.

My question is:
1. What is sqft of your room?
2. How much hp you use?
3. What is your total kw per month usage, is it this model save electricity?
4. If possible can you suggest optimum hp for my master bedroom 225sqft top floor window face east?

Thank you.

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post Aug 31 2021, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(sparktzm @ Aug 30 2021, 07:16 PM)
hi would like to ask opinion for hp selection for master bedroom with size of 17 x 15 ft. will 1 hp inverter ac is sufficient or better to go with 1.5 hp? is any major change in electrical consumption for 1.5 hp compared to the 1 hp aircond
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Better go for 2hp to save electricity in long term. Formula:
1. Length x Width x Height x 6(Coefficient)
2. How many person in room x 500btu(heat from human body). For couple normally 2 person x 500
3. How many window in room x 800btu(if window face north or south)/x 1000(if window face east or west)
Get a total then you can choose proper/optimum aircond btu in that room

Undersize ac can make high electricity bill coz compressor wont stop working(for non inverter) or slowing down(for inverter) and oversize ac can make your aircond fail to remove moisture in your room. Moisture also one of the factor that increase heat.
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post Sep 8 2021, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(syafiqdanial @ Sep 7 2021, 09:58 PM)
Legit just saw your post.. apologies for the late reply..

In regards to your questions aforementioned:

1. My room is about 400sq feet ;

2. 1.5hp x 2 units (as mentioned in my post, a 1.5hp x-deluxe and a 1.5hp x- premium.. i do have a door partition between my “living room” area of my bedroom and my actual “bed area”.. soo at one time, i only turn on 1 a.c. based on room occupancy..;

3. My usage for Hot season i.e. March till July is about 82kwh/month ( for my bed area unit) and about 20 kwh for my living area)… my preference temp is 26 degrees on high fan with auto swing)… take note that on average the unit is powered on for 7 hrs in my bed area and around 2 hrs for my living room area daily.. during rainy season, i sometimes do not turn on the a.c. Case in point: since 20/8, i’ve mostly used my ceiling fan as my room temp hovers around 26 degrees at night and around 24 in the early morning.. KK has been raining extensively lately ( i live next to a forest area and with the rainy season, u could really feel the fresh crisp air billowing through the windows which btw have mosquito netting laugh.gif )

Short answer: outstanding energy savings.. just ensure that your set temp is achievable and your a.c. Is at the right size / oversize.. never ever undersize, then you’ll see the savings smile.gif

4. I am not really good at suggesting… however, just get yourself a 2.0hp inverter unit, it can easily match / exceed your cooling requirements.. you may never know when you need the extra oomph.. and with inverter, it’ll continually adjust the speed of the compressor to match your set temperature.. you’ll never go wrong with inverter ( unless it breaks down, so choose wisely).. I’ll always go with Panasonic or Daikin since both are manufactured in Malaysia, hence an abundance of parts and top notch after sales (based on my own experience)… for Panasonic, hands down x-premium inverter if you have the budget or to save cost, x-deluxe inverter ( the 2.0 hp model even has a left right swing compared to the 1.0 n 1.5hp models)… for Daikin, Smarto series hands down as its the only one with a streamer technology ( equivalent to Nanoe-x) and has an added PM 2.5 filter built it… but its costly vis a vis with Panasonic, you’re not getting that “bang for your buck” purchase.. Gree is another option (my sister installed a 2.0hp Queen series inverter) and it does its job well.. except the indoor unit is quite noisy (at medium to high fan speed) and the remote is mehh, the wifi function only turns the a.c. On/off, nothing fancy unlike Panasonic’s iteration.. the outdoor unit is silent though, I’ll give them that.. oh and the Gree is only 4 stars rated but at RM2150, its s bargain!!! But I still cant say how it will fare long term vs heavyweights Panasonic and Daikin.. LG is a good option too, but its quite pricey compared to locally manufactured Panasonic and Daikin (when compared to LG’s 2.0hp dual inverter premium).. the advantages include ability to control your compressor speed (at 40%, 60%, 80% or 100%) and that it has a lower operating frequency (circa 3400 btu at its lowest vs 3750 btu for the Pana x-premium… the difference is negligible though)… the LG only has 4 star energy rating though ( cant confirm this, but seen it somewhere before)…

Anyways do research and good luck on your purchase!  thumbsup.gif
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I login this forum everyday just to check whether you have reply or not laugh.gif no problem mate cool2.gif

1. Wow 400sqft so big.

2. Luckily you have partition between living room area of bedroom and actual bed area so you can separate between 2 ac. Can choose which ac to on or off - save electricity.

3. 82kw for 1 month for daily 7 hours used - freaking save electricity dude. I also normally set 26-28 depends on climate on a day. My bad i undersize my ac on my master bedroom coz im not considering heat coming from roof as my bedroom on top floor.(living an apartment before).

4. My LG is also good but the problem is it really struggling to maintain the set temperature even at 28 on hot day maybe due to underpower ac. After considering what you have said and comparing between LG Dual Inverter 2hp and this Panasonic X-Premium Inverter 2hp i'll go with Panasonic because this model got higher rated btu 19,000 comparing LG only got 18,000 rated btu.

Many thanks to your explanation and advice notworthy.gif
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post Sep 8 2021, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(excaliburcombo @ Sep 8 2021, 01:36 PM)
Would like to share my son room 1HP Panasonic XPU AC consumption 11PM till 7AM daily. Average monthly consumption around 40kwh (example 3rd block tnb 0.516x40=RM20.64) which is quite good. temperature set 28C as direct blow to bed.

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Wow the electricity saving was so high. 8 hours daily use only 40kw per month rclxms.gif already ask shop nearby my house but out of stock currently due to mco. Need to wait about a month.

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post Sep 24 2021, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(syafiqdanial @ Sep 7 2021, 09:58 PM)
Legit just saw your post.. apologies for the late reply..

In regards to your questions aforementioned:

1. My room is about 400sq feet ;

2. 1.5hp x 2 units (as mentioned in my post, a 1.5hp x-deluxe and a 1.5hp x- premium.. i do have a door partition between my “living room” area of my bedroom and my actual “bed area”.. soo at one time, i only turn on 1 a.c. based on room occupancy..;

3. My usage for Hot season i.e. March till July is about 82kwh/month ( for my bed area unit) and about 20 kwh for my living area)… my preference temp is 26 degrees on high fan with auto swing)… take note that on average the unit is powered on for 7 hrs in my bed area and around 2 hrs for my living room area daily.. during rainy season, i sometimes do not turn on the a.c. Case in point: since 20/8, i’ve mostly used my ceiling fan as my room temp hovers around 26 degrees at night and around 24 in the early morning.. KK has been raining extensively lately ( i live next to a forest area and with the rainy season, u could really feel the fresh crisp air billowing through the windows which btw have mosquito netting laugh.gif )

Short answer: outstanding energy savings.. just ensure that your set temp is achievable and your a.c. Is at the right size / oversize.. never ever undersize, then you’ll see the savings smile.gif

4. I am not really good at suggesting… however, just get yourself a 2.0hp inverter unit, it can easily match / exceed your cooling requirements.. you may never know when you need the extra oomph.. and with inverter, it’ll continually adjust the speed of the compressor to match your set temperature.. you’ll never go wrong with inverter ( unless it breaks down, so choose wisely).. I’ll always go with Panasonic or Daikin since both are manufactured in Malaysia, hence an abundance of parts and top notch after sales (based on my own experience)… for Panasonic, hands down x-premium inverter if you have the budget or to save cost, x-deluxe inverter ( the 2.0 hp model even has a left right swing compared to the 1.0 n 1.5hp models)… for Daikin, Smarto series hands down as its the only one with a streamer technology ( equivalent to Nanoe-x) and has an added PM 2.5 filter built it… but its costly vis a vis with Panasonic, you’re not getting that “bang for your buck” purchase.. Gree is another option (my sister installed a 2.0hp Queen series inverter) and it does its job well.. except the indoor unit is quite noisy (at medium to high fan speed) and the remote is mehh, the wifi function only turns the a.c. On/off, nothing fancy unlike Panasonic’s iteration.. the outdoor unit is silent though, I’ll give them that.. oh and the Gree is only 4 stars rated but at RM2150, its s bargain!!! But I still cant say how it will fare long term vs heavyweights Panasonic and Daikin.. LG is a good option too, but its quite pricey compared to locally manufactured Panasonic and Daikin (when compared to LG’s 2.0hp dual inverter premium).. the advantages include ability to control your compressor speed (at 40%, 60%, 80% or 100%) and that it has a lower operating frequency (circa 3400 btu at its lowest vs 3750 btu for the Pana x-premium… the difference is negligible though)… the LG only has 4 star energy rating though ( cant confirm this, but seen it somewhere before)…

Anyways do research and good luck on your purchase!  thumbsup.gif
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Hello,

Im already install this x premium model 2hp in my master bedroom. Just wondering:
1. My room humidity keep above 60%. As i know the i auto-x function help reduce humidity below 60% right? Already using i auto-x function on 28 degree but humidity keep above 60%. Any tips?
2. How much your average kw use for a month for this model? How many hours per day average?

Thanks
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post Sep 28 2021, 05:18 AM

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QUOTE(aurion @ Sep 26 2021, 02:40 PM)
Just installed the Panasonic 1.5HP XKH X-Premium 2 weeks ago to replace my 2018 1.5HP UKH X-Premium which I sold. Had to redo the piping as one of the copper pipes on the new model has reduced from the previous one. Overall have to say that the cooling performance on this new model is better then the UKH X Premium, slightly shorter in length compared to the older model but thicker in depth. Built in WLAN module is also better as opposed to the external WLAN (can be hidden in the casing of the indoor unit) which I used on the older model and the the other two 2.5HP X-Premium VKH models in my living and dining room

Since the indoor unit is installed on the right side of the room, the remote has an option to set the installation position of the unit. What it does is that it limits the angle of the left/right swing when in auto (in my case it will swing left and to the centre). It will not direct air to the right side since no cooling is needed on the right wall. Other hidden options which I've discovered is that the indicator lights can be set to "Smart" whereby the indicator lights on the indoor unit will turn off after a certain time of inactivity after pressing the remote. Pressing on the remote will turn them on for a while again before it turns off again (tried it but decided to keep the lights on so it won't look so empty"). Air filter net on this new model has also been improved greatly (more solid build and more consistent spacing of net holes) over the UKH's flimsy and inconsistent net holes, which allows dust to go through the filter.

Outdoor unit seems to be a lot quieter than the previous model. Can barely hear the compressor whirring, and it starts up faster than the older model as well. Outdoor unit fan motor has also been replaced with a DC Fan motor as opposed to the previous model's AC fan motor. It seems to increase its speed slowly, rather than going on full speed directly. Once the indoor temperature has been reached, the outdoor fan will also slow down a bit. (used the comfort cloud app and messed with the temperature settings while outside, and that was how I found out that the outdoor fan will slow down).

My only gripe with this model is the remote controller. Being a flagship model, I feel that the screen could be illuminated like the previous Sky Series remote for easier use at night.

No regrets in getting this model, just that I got a lemon unit, whereby there was a chip on the indoor casing. Panasonic replaced a new indoor unit for me (they have excellent aftersales service from my personal experience). Have also bought additional 4 year warranty from Panasonic (making all parts and labour for indoor and outdoor covered for total of 5 years).
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This model got I Auto-X with Humidity Sensor function right? How about humidity in your room? Do this function perform well reduce humidity in your room?
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post Sep 16 2022, 03:34 AM

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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Aug 12 2022, 07:57 PM)
I would use inverter for all my aircon especially for the open space and high horsepower aircon - going against the narrative of so-called 6hours only start cooling bullshit. IF you know how the electric consumption works and setting the aircon temperature correctly (25c to 27c) would actually help you to avoid high bills. The reason is living room aircon has high horsepower which consumes around 8A so I find using it correctly, you will see inverter being more beneficial.

Inverter aircon 2.5hp if you spec the horsepower correctly it would maintain as low as around 1A power consumption in cooling the space where as a non-inverter would run at around 8A-0A-8A-0A-8A for few minutes each - if you are setting the temperature unrealistically (usually below 20c) then chances is your aircon will be consuming 2.5hp at 8A all the way until you off because it is almost non-impossible to achieve in our M'sia climate unless you are in Cameron Highland or Genting Highland.

Likewise if your aircon is not in good condition you tend to set 20c just to achieve just 25c then you are likely to suffer a high bill because your compressor would also run 9A all the way,, regardless it is inverter or not inverter.

Once it is closed to the set temperature/or already reached the consumption will drop in stages. So if your room temperature is 29c and you set 25c... by less than 1hour if it reaches around 27c the consumption would reduce by probably 40% and then once it reaches the set temperature (at per your remote setting) then it would start reduce to very low just to maintain the cooling. Setting a lower temperature means it takes longer time to achieve, but setting to an unrealistic temperature it means you are rather off using a non-inverter.
Inverter is like you are getting a strong muscular man who can adjust his strength to pick up item that weights 0.1kg to 100kg item, so he has more juice to do more.
Non-inverter is like a robot who are set to pick up an item up to 100kg at a fixed strength 10 times - regardless of how heavy the items it can only do just 10 times and no more.

Though trust me - if you ask most aircon guys nowadays they will all ask you to take non-inverter cause it is easier at their end to sell, but when you ask further they will just tell you the narrative bullshits. End of the day it is always up to you as a buyer to decide.

But most importantly, SPEC your horsepower correctly - use calculation, not use feel. Btu going extra even to 30% or more is okay because it would allow your compressor to cut off longer to save electricity... an inverter would benefit from this. Don't spec ngam ngam - your running cost can easily outspend your savings for a lower hp aircon.

It is actually too complicated to explain all here but I do find that this Video is beneficial - and you can see how inverter aircon works. (Many may find him cocky but what he does is practical, and based on real-life consumption).
What I want to highlight is that his reference of 10,000btu to 1hp is not really accurate - once you done the calculation to get the BTU, then you just need to look at the manufacture spec based on the horsepower&btu - remember do not spec less, or even ngam ngam.. it is good to go extra even if the aircon is abit more costly.

Happy spending.

Cheers

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Tips to save ac electricity bill:
1. Choose right ac hp/btu for your room size. I prefer to add more 0.5hp.
2. Inverter 5 star energy rating
3. Never ever set temperature below 24 degree celcius
4. Always cleaning the ac filter at least 1x per month
5. Always service ac at least 1x per year

I use 2hp Panasonic X-Premium model. Inverter 5 star energy rating. My room 15ftx15ftx10ft only needed 1.5hp but I go for 2hp. Set temperature 27 degree celcius. 18hrs-20hrs per day bill only RM100.00-RM130.00 per month.
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post Sep 20 2022, 04:46 AM

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QUOTE(firewir3 @ Sep 19 2022, 08:31 PM)
Yes , after reading recent reply mostly recommended Daikin for fast cooling compare to panasonic but I was comparing model for

1.0HP
1. Daikin FTKF(wifi) - rm1499 - 4 star energy saving
2. Panasonic Standard Inverter(PU series no wifi)- rm1499 - 4star energy saving
3. Panasonic X-Deluxe(wifi) - rm1699  - 5 star energy saving

Im in dilemma now on which to choose as I need 2unit of 1.0hp , 2 unit of 1.5hp and 2 unit of 2.0hp initially i wanted to go for Daikin FTKF model as my budget was between that range but it only have 4 star energy savings as most recommended 5 star energy saving.
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Panasonic X-Premium(XU) Series got iAuto-X function for fast cooling
Mine 2hp need just max 30minutes to reach desired temperature after switched on in my master bedroom
Rated 5 Star Energy Saving Inverter with built in wifi can controlled via Panasonic apps
Best ac I use so far in term of fast cooling & energy saving
Before this already use Daikin Inverter(forgot what series) & LG Deluxe Inverter
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post Sep 20 2022, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Darren @ Sep 20 2022, 09:02 AM)
Hi

Anyone encounter problem with Panasonic x-premium when set the fan to 3 instead of auto/other speed?

Recently Jz purchase aircond via Lazada and get outsider technician to install last tuesday

Jz found out when I set the fan speed to 3, it make noise like “krak krak” while no sound when set lower speed o higher speed o auto mode.

Headache😵‍💫
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Panasonic ac model most common problem is their flap will sound like plak plak when moving upside down.
Im also use Panasonic X-Premium model 2hp in my master bedroom, really good ac.
Just set the flap at 1 direction for upside down, problem solve.
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post Sep 23 2022, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Sep 21 2022, 05:37 PM)
I would avoid the FTKF 1.0hp model and go for FTKU model at least. The BtU is way different and that means a more effective cooling + better energy consumption.

If I have to choose between these then I would rather go for the Panasonic that have higher bTU.. btu is important.
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If got more budget go for FTKM model
Have additional function reduce humidity level to 50%
Humidity also contribute heat
FTKM model on par with Panasonic X-Premium(XU Series)
I use Panasonic anyway brows.gif

 

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