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post Oct 16 2017, 08:46 AM

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Just like few posts above, I am wondering what brand of air-cond is considered reliable these days though I understand people would have to buy and use them for a considerable period say >5 years before they can share their experience. I have been using York air-conditioners for most part of my life. In my current house, the York air-conditioners (5 units) are still working good after 12 years. One unit, also York, was removed from an older house and installed in the current house and it's now 25 years. Surprisingly it's also still working without any breakdown or change of spare parts etc. Just the normal servicing only.

It's now 2017 and I was reading some responses here reporting breakdowns. Any thoughts or experience on the brands that are reliable (no breakdowns) and brands that are not so reliable? I'm only interested in the old-school non-inverters.

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post Apr 14 2018, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Learjet35 @ Apr 14 2018, 01:33 AM)
anybody know which shop selling sharp on discounts ? sen heng bo liao stock.

or should I go with daikin ?
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No Sharp brand but I find Jintexelectronics to have one of the lowest prices for air-cond. The basic 1HP air-cond is selling at RM8xx only. Some top brands available are Panasonic, Hitachi and few more. I'm getting 4 units of air-conds from them soon.
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post Apr 14 2018, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Learjet35 @ Apr 14 2018, 01:33 AM)
anybody know which shop selling sharp on discounts ? sen heng bo liao stock.

or should I go with daikin ?
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Sorry, I just checked. I made a mistake. Jintexelectronics do sell Sharp air-cond. You may have a look at their website.
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post Apr 14 2018, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(Learjet35 @ Apr 14 2018, 10:48 AM)
Aircond DAIKIN :-
1hp = Rm 960.00
1.5 hp = Rm 1190.00
2 hp = Rm 1990.00
Aircond PANASONIC :-
1 hp = Rm 990.00
1.5 hp = Rm 1230.00
2 hp = Rm 2060.00
Harga untuk unit aircond sahaja...

Can beat this price? This is non inverter ac.
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Yes, as mentioned earlier, these prices are not the lowest.

Panasonic 1.0HP basic Air Con [CS-PV9TKH] is only selling at RM838 at Jintexelectronics. They have this interesting deal whereby you get additional RM25 for water heater or fan if you buy the air-cond. The prices for their water heater and fan are already quite low, so the additional RM25 discount is useful.

The Panasonic 1HP at RM838
http://www.jintexelectronics.com/index.php...roducts_id=2051

Hitachi Basic 1HP which is priced at RM828.
http://www.jintexelectronics.com/index.php...dex&cPath=51_52
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post Apr 14 2018, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Apr 14 2018, 09:36 AM)
Hitachi basic Rm799. Most competitive Japan brand I think. Longer warranty as well.
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Thanks for the info. Jintexelectronics is selling the Hitachi 1Hp basic at RM828 and Panasonic 1Hp basic at RM838. They have this interesting deal of giving additional RM25 discount for their water heaters and fans which are already priced rather low, so with the combined discounts if buying air-cond, water heater and fans, the price is among the lowest.

Good to hear Hitachi is a good brand. The Panasonic and Hitachi are very close in pricing, just RM10 difference between the two and I'm just giving this Hitachi a go. Perhaps getting the Panasonic for the living room and the Hitachi for all bedrooms.

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 14 2018, 10:10 AM)
get your own installer, the one they gave me dem lousy
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Thanks for the info which is useful. I already have my own air-cond installer from the renovation contractor.
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post Apr 15 2018, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Apr 14 2018, 06:08 PM)
their price aircond is about RM30 higher than market price. are you sure the heater and fan is the lowest price in market?
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I'm not aware the price is RM30 more than market price as after comparison with few shops their price is the lowest. As for the heater and fan, Jintexelectronic's prices are at least RM20+ lower when compared to Tan Boon Ming, Sen Heng and few more stores. So, even if the price of their air-cond is RM30 higher than the lowest market price, from the offset of the additional discounts obtained from the water heater and fan, the air-cond would be cheaper by RM50 which may have offset the RM30 higher price of the air-cond.

Thinking of getting this 1.5hp Mitsubishi at RM1168 http://www.jintexelectronics.com/index.php...roducts_id=1837

The rest of the 1hp would likely be the Hitachi model.
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post Apr 15 2018, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Apr 13 2018, 10:01 PM)
Aircond list based on power consumption.

Onedrive link, excel spreadsheet:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AtoOl-yLHwuzjBJsjBkuUVtv3vNB

What was changed from previous
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- Updated reference price for all airconds.
- Added Fujiaire airconds

Disclaimer: All data is harvested from respective manufacturers website, I am not responsible for any information accuracy in the spreadsheet provided.

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Did you compile all the information on the air-conditioners in this Excel spreadsheet? I just downloaded the document and can see it's some extensive work done. Great work especially on the calculation on the monthly and yearly operating cost of the air-conditioners based on rater power and electricity tariffs. Though I noticed the prices of the air-conds indicated in column "J" are quite a bit higher than the actual selling price at the shops.
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post Apr 15 2018, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Apr 15 2018, 09:14 AM)
Yes, I compiled them from various sources online.
Those are reference price only, you can adjust the price on your own, so as other parameters such as number of hours use per month and monthly average tariff.
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Yes I am aware the price is just a reference. No issue with that. It is useful to look at the BTU numbers, quietness in dB and monthly operating cost with the comparison of all the air-conds and have a rough idea on the pattern, especially when comparing between different horsepower 1hp vs 1.5hp and 2.0hp and the inverter vs non-inverters.

Though for me when the air-cond is selected and installed in the room, they all serve the same purpose. Relatively speaking there will be little or no difference between the air-conditioners when they are installed in the room, whether it is a Sharp, Daikin, Mitsubishi, Panasonic or other brands. The more important factors would be reliability and performance ie. working flawlessly by effectively cooling the room, no water dripping from the air-cond vents, silent operation of the air-cond and no loud noises and how long they would last before a major maintenance or repair is required etc.

For me, primary selection would still be the price other than the usual factors which are of secondary importance.
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post Apr 15 2018, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Apr 15 2018, 10:59 AM)
Please share what heater and fans brand you are choosing
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It's the Panasonic DH-3RLMW water heater costing RM238 and Panasonic F-M15A0 ceiling fan which costs RM138.

Links below.

http://www.jintexelectronics.com/index.php...roducts_id=2127
http://www.jintexelectronics.com/index.php...products_id=678
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post Apr 17 2018, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(Learjet35 @ Apr 16 2018, 10:57 PM)
Fyi,sen heng has a promotion 1hp toshiba non inverter for Rm699 for member to deduct point.I bought 6 of them.
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The lowest air-cond price in Senheng is RM849 and it's the Electrolux and not Hitachi. The cheapest Hitachi 1Hp air cond is RM869 in Senheng.
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post Apr 18 2018, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Learjet35 @ Apr 17 2018, 10:57 AM)
It was Toshiba.Minus 150 senheng point.i didnt say Hitachi.I just bought it yesterday.Rm809 including 5 years warranty.
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Sorry, read wrongly. What I meant was the cheapest air-cond available on Senheng website is the Electrolux at RM849. The price you have got for the Toshibe (RM809) is not mentioned on the website.

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post Apr 19 2018, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Learjet35 @ Apr 18 2018, 10:24 PM)
Maybe need to go to the shop and the promotion will end in May.
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I see. Good to know there is promotion which will end in May. I have ordered Hitachi and Mitsubishi air-conditioners from Jintexelectronics. Hitachi 1hp is RM828 but after additional RM50 discount if purchasing other items, the Hitachi 1hp is about RM778.
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QUOTE(drifterz @ Apr 27 2018, 01:19 AM)
Hi, how is your experience so far of using Hitachi? I'm thinking of getting one too.
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Hi. the air-cond has not been installed yet as renovation is still ongoing. Perhaps others might be able to share their experience on Hitachi.

Personally my own opinion is any brand of air-cond from established big companies such as Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Panasonic etc. will serve the same purpose with little difference between them. The main purpose of the air-cond is to cool the room so all air-conds will function the same. Things such as noisier sound or softer sound during operation etc. it will be also almost the same with little difference between the brands or models. The other more important feature that people may consider is efficiency in terms of operating costs, so inverter vs non-inverter may be a more crucial consideration for some in terms of cost-savings in the long run but usage patterns irrespective of type can also contribute on this aspect.

I've chosen Hitachi for 1hp and Mitsubishi for 1.5hp based on both brand and price considerations since these 2 are established brands and also the price are among the lowest (from Jintexelectronics).


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QUOTE(joelriez @ Apr 30 2018, 10:25 AM)
Hi,

Finished installation.. can la... the trunking is a bit exposed.. the option to hack is too expensive..  biggrin.gif

user posted image
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May I know what is the trunking for? Electrical cables or water drainage?
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post May 1 2018, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(slimey @ May 1 2018, 07:02 AM)
Bad experience with pana.
Filter holes too big. Fins too small and soft. Gets blocked too fast and too easily. Indoor unit leak gas after 2 years.

Bad experience with all aircon coming out of oyl factory. Yes, that includes acson and daikin and York. The metal that holds the fin and earth is just normal iron and steel. Normal steel screws too. And they rust easily.
York aircon capacitor fail easily.
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Not sure about the York air-cond which you mentioned the capacitor fails easily. Our York air-conds have been in use for 13 years now without any failed capacitors. Only 1 showed issues with water leakage but after service it now works fine.

Total 5 York air-conds and 2 units are in use everyday.
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QUOTE(feekle @ May 19 2018, 10:57 AM)
Why bother about the ROI? you already spent money to purchase it. The money is lost there, thats it. Personally i dont care much about air conditioner ROI.
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I guess different people have different priorities. No doubt inverter air-conds may have benefits but similarly I don't care much about the type whether it's inverter or non-inverter. I bought all non-inverters. The usage pattern would be more applicable if cost of electricity is important ie. limiting usage of air-cond during sleep at night only and not throughout the day etc., or setting the temperature at 24 degrees C or higher at low fan speed instead of 17 or 18 degrees C at high fan speed. Even if one uses an inverter air-cond, if the usage patterns are contrary to the above, the electricity consumption would be higher than a non-inverter air-cond.

For the air-conditioners I recently bought, the Hitachi is made in Malaysia while the Mitsubish is made in Thailand.




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QUOTE(VagueConcerns @ May 20 2018, 04:35 PM)
All have been taken into account when calculating for ROI. The last missing piece of the puzzle is the monthly energy bill savings.
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A forummer was kind enough to include an Excel sheet which shows almost all (if not all) models of air-conditioners available on the market with their full spec which include monthly and yearly operating cost of each air-conditioners based on 6 hours per day of usage. You may use that list as a reference or rough guide to determine the ROI between the air-conditioners that's under selection.
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QUOTE(ccting1976 @ May 22 2018, 10:56 AM)
As a normal consumer, let me give unbias comment.

Mitsubishi aircon is the top aircon as the gas pipe is  huge, and with bigger blower fan and queit, powerful and bill saving. The con is the component is very expensive. U may need to change a total new aircon after 4-6 years.

Daikin compressor is "Rough" and noiser.. even worse than gree.. I suggest that you go and compare these aircon in hospitals where hospitals will have multiple brand of aircons. I have experience using these aircons. Most of the brand in Malaysia is designed for Malaysia, except ACSON... they looks queit powerful.. but more expensive.. please compare them in hospitals.. Daikin, after 1 year, most will give "jiiiii" sound (looks like capacitor problem small problem but anoying), the most noisy is Morgan.

Daikin compressor is damn small.. in fact the modern compressors are damn small with higher consumption of "bills". Morgan is powerful and very noisy compressor, and cheap.  Hitachi looks quality in built, but takes long time to cool a room down. Inverter theoretically "save money" and "queit", but the old traditional split units are even save money, faster cooling and quieter without inverter. Believe me, "inverter" nowadays is merely commercially term, and they weak in cooling in order to get more "stars".

My old Panasonic aircon can cool a room within 20 minutes, 24 degree set is sufficient.. my new inverter needs 8 hours to cool the same room with the need of 16 degree temperature set. Then you tell me, which saves more money?

How they are changing the gas from 410 to 32? Any problem with 410? I find 410 inverter works badly in cooling, at least for my hitashi and Daikin. My old 1.5 panasonic inverter works perfectly well, and all my 3 2.5hp new panasonic inverter, 1.5hp hitachi, 2.0hp Daikin inverter works badly. So.. something wrong with the new "inverter" aircon nowadays..

If i am you, i will compare the a) blower fan diameter which determines the internal noise in db b) the dimension of compressor which determines the efficiency of energy / cooling capability. The larger they are, the better. And also the pipe diameter. Get larger unit than you need to reduce dryness to nose and eyes, and save money. And learn how to clean your own aircon, for both internal and external units. It is damn easy where i clean weekly myself.
Before you buy,

a) What is your room size in ft.
b) Is your room facing west ?
c) How many side of walls have windows?
d) How many ppl and "hot" machine will usually stay in the room?
e) What is the temperature of your room now, and what temperature you are targetting?
f) How fast you want to bring down the targetted temperature?
g) Do you think moisture content of your room is critical to you? any nose problem? eye dryness?
The way i calculate the HP needs for me. Assume f=1.4 for extreme hot west room

HP = [65( 1.4 X size in ft + 100 X (number of ppl and hot machines) /] 8000 = ?hp.

f=1.4 will enable you to cool ur room 10 degree down within 1/2 - 1 hour time
f=0.6 for room that is shaded and facing east with no expose of sunlight
f=2.0 for kitchen, set n= 2 X number of kitchen devices that produce heat
f=0.9 for south and north facing.

these calculation is for 410 inverter only. Non-inverter please use normal calculation.
etc etc..
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As for point (g) as highlighted above, I believe ANY air-cond from any brand will contribute to nose(sinus), throat and/or eye dryness symptom with the severity depending on the health or condition of the person. What action do your recommend since you mentioned "before you buy"? The best is to not use air-cond at all as it reduces or removes humidity in the room which is the main culprit to some of the issues that you mentioned.
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If you want to save electricity, choosing the lowest horsepower (1hp) is most crucial as it's a lot more economical even than the next one up (1.5hp). So, try to select 1hp if possible. For bedrooms, try to go with 1hp even though the bedroom might be huge because you don't need very cold temperature to sleep. I usually set 26 degrees C at low speed at it is already very cold.

For living room, depending on the size you usually need 1.5hp and above so you can't compromise to much in this area.

The comparison between inverter and non-inverter (RM130/month for non-inverter and RM50/month for inverter) may be a sweeping statement. The difference can't be that much as it will depend on usage pattern. As I have said earlier, usage pattern is a much more critical and important factor than type of air-cond ie. inverter or non-inverter. No doubt, inverters may be more economical in terms of electricity consumption. Nevertheless, if one practices good habits with the use of air-conditioners, non-inverters can register good economy too. Ie. 25 degrees C and above at low fan speed instead of 16 degrees C at full blast.

Once you go above 1hp, meaning 1.5hp and above, the electricity bill will be a lot higher. Our house has 1hp. 1.5hp and 2.5hp. Once the 1.5hp is used occasionally in one month, the spike in electricity bill can be easily seen. In other words, if it is possible, try to fit 1hp instead of 1.5hp. 1hp + ceiling fan can be a good replacement for 1.5hp in some situations.

Similarly, it's non-inverters for me too.

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