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paskal
post Sep 2 2017, 10:58 AM

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any HVAC engineer here?
does the gas line must be vacuumed before being charged?

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because i've never (ever) seen an AC tech carrying one of these vacuum pumps in my life.

none of the local AC installers that i've ever paid have ever vacuumed the lines before charging.
issit the cause that some of the units doesn't cool as fast (i.e working at lower capacity) like the panasonic ACs (thus making it slow to cool)?
paskal
post Sep 2 2017, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(cuttlefish @ Sep 2 2017, 08:37 PM)
Air conditioning system should be vacuumed prior to opening the valve at the outdoor side.
Vacuuming will remove air and moisture from the piping and the indoor unit.
Unfortunately, very few installers (not to say none) will perform this proper procedure here in Malaysia (unless installed in projects such as new properties which come with air conditioners).
What they normally do is to use the refrigerant from the outdoor unit to "flush" (force) out the air from the piping and indoor unit.
This may cause:
1. Premature failure of the compressor (not immediate though)
2. Insufficient refrigerant to the system, which will cause a drop in cooling capacity
3. From no. 2, drop in energy efficiency ratio (EER) - paying more for electricity compared to the cooling you get
4. Abnormal noise
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Yes I've read that forced purging using the charged gas is not recommended and even illegal in developed countries.

Forced purging doesn't necessarily remove all the air, moisture and contaminants from the gas lines causing the system to fail over time. Usually after a few years.
And installers keep doing it because of the repeat business from all the failures because it'll happen after warranty expires.

The vacuum pump itself isn't expensive and the procedure when properly done only takes 15 minutes max and guarantees system longevity.
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post Sep 3 2017, 06:11 AM

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QUOTE(cuttlefish @ Sep 2 2017, 09:15 PM)
did you just answered your own question?  laugh.gif

i don't think it is due to the potential repeat business
this is what we get when we do not have proper bodies to control the industry
anybody can become an installer
mostly do not have any professional training, what they know is just what they learn from the people they are working with, doing only what is normal to them
can't exactly blame them as they are also paid lower if compared to Thailand or Singapore
as cheap as a vacuum pump can be, it is still a cost, and the vacuuming time = extra time spent per installation = loss of revenue

things will not change overnight
only with government initiatives to control and certify, and the willingness of us as consumers to pay a fair price for quality installation then only the situation can improve
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Wanna know from an hvac engineer.
Because what we simply read from the internet doesn't necessarily mean the truth.

If vacuum evacuation is a must then it's weird that i've never seen its done before.
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post Sep 4 2017, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Sep 3 2017, 09:49 AM)
Most customer not willing to pay more for extra procedures.

Common reply for 1hp as below:

RM200 - "can cheaper a bit or not, I buy 2 units leh"

RM250 - "your installation price is expensive than the other shop"

Rm280 - "1hp or 1.5hp charge?"

It is not common to see customer willing to pay higher for extra jobs.
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I'd pay extra for proper installation with vacuum evacuation, verification with micron meter and stuffs.
But too bad nobody here does it.
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post Sep 11 2017, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(sairay @ Sep 11 2017, 10:31 AM)
Just thought I clarify your question. Usually if new aircon, installer don't vacuum cause new unit have extra bit gas inside to purge out when piping are connected. This extra gas are put in by the manufacturer straight out of factory.

You only do vaccuming when you moved the aircon to another location, reconnecting piping etc.
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this kind of forced purging doesn't guarantee the gas line is gonna be free from air and moisture.
that's why some AC compressor have a habit of getting damaged after a few years.

proper installation requires the use of vacuum pump.
that's how it is taught in learning institutions. not to mention this kind of procedure is illegal in some countries.

 

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