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post Dec 3 2024, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(dinor02 @ Dec 2 2024, 10:02 PM)
Is it appropriate to use a 3C 40x00076 flexible cable for 1 HP and 1.5 HP inverters, and a 3C 70x00076 flexible cable for a 2.5 HP inverter?

Shouldn't the standard at least require a 2.5 mm² cable? These two types of flexible cables do not appear to be equivalent to a 2.5 mm² cable.
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There is no Malaysia Standard for the wiring size between the Outdoor and Indoor unit, only the installed wires that feeds the a/cond. The wiring between ODU and IDU is considered wiring internal to the unit and is specified in the installation manual by the manufacturer.

Sample of specifications from Daikin
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40 x 0.0076 = nominal diameter 1.1 mm²
70 x 0.0076 = nominal diameter 2.0 mm²
Looks like 40 x 0.0076 should not be used as I have never seen an installation manual that allows less than 1.5 mm² between the ODU and IDU. For the 70 strand you need to check for your specific unit if it is appropriate.
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post Jan 11 2025, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(isr25 @ Jan 11 2025, 04:45 PM)
Hi everyone, my Daikin Smarto 2hp r32 aircond compressor pressure is 100psi to 110psi. The person checking said it is not enough and needs to be charged/increases to 150psi. Is this correct? Can’t find any information on this. Thanks!
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There is no absolute pressure that a unit has to be. The proper pressures are confirmed by SubCooling (if TXV metering device) or SuperHeat (Capillary or piston metering device) Your a/cond may or may not be working properly at your stated pressures. The point is, a tech cannot simply say need to increase the pressure without checking SC/SH
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post Jan 17 2025, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(ki___ @ Jan 17 2025, 11:35 AM)
Hello there, I had been quoted for 2 units of Air-Conditioners and I think the price is very high. There are 1hp inverter & 1.5hp inverter Panasonic Split Unit.
And the sifu measure the total length for the copper pipe to be added is 140ft So the installation fee is much more pricier than the air conditoner indoor & outdoor units themselves.
He does free 10ft for each units so total extra is 120ft. Is it reasonable ? I paid for the service.sad.gif

Copper pipe 120ft = RM3360
Casing Trunking = RM480

Can any sifus here help me to justify? Thank you in advance.
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15 m of copper pipe PER ROLL (50 ft) x 2 roll (gas+liquid) about RM 450. Need 3 x for your distance, so copper alone RM 1,350. Insulation is per 6 foot length at RM 3 per length, so RM 75, 4 wire 2.5 mm² (because inverter, and far away) per roll about RM 400 (90 m per roll, so can use for 2 a/conds, so RM 200 per unit). So far RM 1,625 in basic material costs only PER AIR COND. So 2 a/cond installation with distance of 140 ft is RM 3,250 in basic material cost.

Your quoted installation cost is cheap. Please check if there are any hidden costs, or if substandard material is going to be used, or if the installer has made a mistake. After started already and then they will come and say have to increase the price.

But forget all the above first..... I believe that 140 ft is over the maximum design limit of copper pipe length for most domestic air conditioner units. Your air conditioners won't work properly, if at all, if my opinion is correct.
Check the installation documentation of your a/cond model to find out the maximum distance between the Indoor/Outdoor units and only proceed if it is within the distance. If not, please redesign your layout.
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post Jan 17 2025, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Jan 17 2025, 04:13 PM)
15 m of copper pipe PER ROLL (50 ft) x 2 roll (gas+liquid) about RM 450. Need 3 x for your distance, so copper alone RM 1,350. Insulation is per 6 foot length at RM 3 per length, so RM 75, 4 wire 2.5 mm² (because inverter, and far away) per roll about RM 400 (90 m per roll, so can use for 2 a/conds, so RM 200 per unit). So far RM 1,625 in basic material costs only PER AIR COND. So 2 a/cond installation with distance of 140 ft is RM 3,250 in basic material cost.

Your quoted installation cost is cheap. Please check if there are any hidden costs, or if substandard material is going to be used, or if the installer has made a mistake. After started already and then they will come and say have to increase the price.

But forget all the above first..... I believe that 140 ft is over the maximum design limit of copper pipe length for most domestic air conditioner units. Your air conditioners won't work properly, if at all, if my opinion is correct.
Check the installation documentation of your a/cond model to find out the maximum distance between the Indoor/Outdoor units and only proceed if it is within the distance. If not, please redesign your layout.

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Oh crap, disregard all that I wrote, I misread your post. I re-read and you've written like you have already done and paid for this install, so.....
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post Jan 20 2025, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(ki___ @ Jan 20 2025, 08:50 AM)
Hey, thank you for your detailed response.

I realized I missed mentioning the exact distance of the single copper/wiring between the indoor and outdoor unit, which is approximately 25–28 feet.

I assume the installation technician quoted RM28/ft for the extra 120 feet, totaling RM3,360. The length of 140 feet includes the gas and liquid pipes. However, the distance between the two units of my air conditioner is not that far (just 3 feet apart, with one in the bedroom and one in the living room), so 140ft/4 = 35ft for single copper(exceeded the exact distance 25-28ft).

I purchased the split unit from a popular store that had set up a booth at HOMEDEC, so I assumed the installation services they provided would be reliable. That’s why I did not seek a supplementary installer for the job.

As they traveled from Shah Alam to my place in Cheras, I didn’t feel comfortable rejecting their quote on the spot.
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Would you be happy if I said the cost is cheap and you got a good deal? What about I said it is expensive and that you got conned?

The fact is the installation is completed and you have already paid. Move on with your life and don't revisit the past that is already done.
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post Jan 24 2025, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(swing123 @ Jan 24 2025, 12:29 AM)
Planning to get two units of Daikin Revo cassette aircond 2hp for living and dining area in a double storey house. Two aircond shops I went to ask for price told me no point to get inverter since its open area ie expose to staircase n kitchen. Both shops said I won't get the energy savings effect from inverter. Just wanna ask if that made sense.
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Yes it does make sense, but depends on the actual area you have, and what temperature you set the a/conds at. If the cold air keeps escaping, or if the temperature you set is too low (and the a/cond cannot reach that set temperature) then the a/cond will be running at full power, and you will not see any savings compared to a normal unit. Does my explanation make sense?
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post Feb 19 2025, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(ItsJustheOne @ Feb 19 2025, 09:59 AM)
Oh okay, think i have came across such information as well. Because the inverter aircond needs the space to be at a set temperature, but living room is wide open space and the temperature won't be constant right?
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That is correct. Think of it this way; minimum speed limit is 160 km/h, but you drive an Axia. You're going to always be pedal-to-the-metal full throttle to keep up to that speed, but a bigger cc car would have reached that speed, and be feathering the throttle to keep to the speed.

Similarly, if the cold air keeps leaking out from the area, or the area is too large, or the temperature is set too low, or you keep putting hot air back into the area, then the a/cond is going to be at full power all the time to reach the set temperature. So no benefit for having the inverter.
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post Feb 25 2025, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(ItsJustheOne @ Feb 25 2025, 12:10 PM)
Lizards often stay behind the indoor aircon unit. Is this unavoidable? Not scared of lizards but wondering if it's safe or not
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It's not safe. The lizards will crawl onto the PCB and get electrocuted, and then the a/cond may not work or you will have bad odors. I've had to repair a few circuit boards already where this has happened.
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post Feb 26 2025, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(biatche @ Feb 25 2025, 08:05 PM)
exactly why in the last page i asked how to block all gaps, what suggestions do u fellas have? i bought various sealants, not sure if any are ideal
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This one you have to clever clever yourself, I can only answer on the electrical safety question of ItsJustheOne
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post May 31 2025, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Rudd San @ May 25 2025, 01:01 AM)
Hi all,

I'm about to move into a subsale condo unit that has been unoccupied for the past 9 to 10 months.
plan to do a basic A/C service (2 units in the living room, 1 in the master, and 1 in the 2nd room).

I got a quote of RM320 from a company recommended by the JMB. Is this price reasonable, or can I get it cheaper elsewhere?

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I can do it cheaper than that price, but do you think I want to travel to your place to do it?
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post May 31 2025, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Scissorshand @ May 28 2025, 08:10 AM)
I have a 1.5hp sharp non inverter used more than 10 yrs running fine. Was wondering if I need to upgrade the outdoor capacitor to have better cooling? Does it make sense?
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That's a good experiment to try. A capacitor costs about RM 18 - RM 25 only. Let us know the results after you change it

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