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post Jan 13 2025, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(lobster08 @ Jan 12 2025, 10:32 PM)
Hi, I'm renovating my house and would like to get some input on AC for my home (1.0 & 1.5 HP). The following brand/model identified:
1) Panasonic inverter - PU9AKH & PU12AKH
2) Mitsubishi electric - JS10VF & JS13VF
3) Daikin inverter - FTKU28B & FTKU35B

Has been receiving different view on the mentioned product as some said Daikin/Panasonic have some issues. Existing using MHI non-inverter and SA said MHI unit is old model, thus suggest ME instead.

Liking the Panasonic design but concern on the reliability after viewing this thread. Any thoughts are most welcome.
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I swear and curse at my Panasonic inverter every night. Long story short, you want to regret buy Panasonic. If your main objective is save electricity then Panasonic is king, none can beat it.

I would go for Acson. Since I know spare parts won’t be an issue and plenty of support for it.
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post Jan 13 2025, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(lobster08 @ Jan 12 2025, 10:32 PM)
Hi, I'm renovating my house and would like to get some input on AC for my home (1.0 & 1.5 HP). The following brand/model identified:
1) Panasonic inverter - PU9AKH & PU12AKH
2) Mitsubishi electric - JS10VF & JS13VF
3) Daikin inverter - FTKU28B & FTKU35B

Has been receiving different view on the mentioned product as some said Daikin/Panasonic have some issues. Existing using MHI non-inverter and SA said MHI unit is old model, thus suggest ME instead.

Liking the Panasonic design but concern on the reliability after viewing this thread. Any thoughts are most welcome.
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post Jan 13 2025, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Apr 16 2024, 10:04 PM)
1.3k after lazada bonus discount

spent another 750 on installation with proper techniques eg: vacuuming, testing etc
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Hi, I PMed you to ask for your opinion on installation pricing that I got quoted, hope you can help out smile.gif
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post Jan 13 2025, 11:07 PM

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Is this because Midea spare parts not available to 3rd party technician or your 3rd party technician don't know how to repair Midea?

QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 11 2025, 10:55 PM)
My Midea inverter that failed could have been repaired if only I called Midea themselves. My mistake for calling aircon service man who fail to repair repeatedly.
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post Jan 14 2025, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jan 13 2025, 11:07 PM)
Is this because Midea spare parts not available to 3rd party technician or your 3rd party technician don't know how to repair Midea?
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Those 3rd party… all no knowledge.. only know how to cuci aircon. Thus it’s my mistake for not engaging the right party.

Many aircon service ppl these days all fly by night… making quick buck only. Don’t know how to troubleshoot real problem.

How I know?
My 2009 York concealed 2.5hp got issue with the wired control panel, so can’t turn on the a/c. I engaged 5 different aircon ppl.

Basically all 5 tell me that aircon is too old, condemn, cannot fix. That the control panel part no longer in production. And all 5 wanted to sell me a new air con with new installation.

End up I called Acson up, engaged their appointed technician

- the original aircon control panel no longer in production
- new aircon control panel has same amount of wires, but installation method different, need to modify each wire 1 by 1
- he tested the new control panel up in the ceiling to confirm everything works, then proceed to modify it for me

Now that aircon is freezing cold. Nobody wants to repair because first of all they don’t even know how, and secondly, why repair and earn few hundred when they can sell your aircon and new installation and whack you? And take your perfectly fine old aircon away for free and sell it later?
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post Jan 17 2025, 11:11 AM

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Just bought and installed LG-S3-Q12JAPPA 1.5HP aircon

Not sure is good buy or not with everything discount + 5 years warranty @ RM1.9k

So far still learning the AC which ThinQ app kinda limited and less feature than remote controller, lol ..


Actually this range of purchase pricing can recommend which alternate AC eh ? ( 1.5 ~ 2.0 HP )
Think of replacing my other room's AC which has 10 years usage already sweat.gif
Energy consumption is pain.

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post Jan 17 2025, 11:35 AM

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Hello there, I had been quoted for 2 units of Air-Conditioners and I think the price is very high. There are 1hp inverter & 1.5hp inverter Panasonic Split Unit.
And the sifu measure the total length for the copper pipe to be added is 140ft So the installation fee is much more pricier than the air conditoner indoor & outdoor units themselves.
He does free 10ft for each units so total extra is 120ft. Is it reasonable ? I paid for the service.sad.gif

Copper pipe 120ft = RM3360
Casing Trunking = RM480

Can any sifus here help me to justify? Thank you in advance.
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post Jan 17 2025, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(ki___ @ Jan 17 2025, 11:35 AM)
Hello there, I had been quoted for 2 units of Air-Conditioners and I think the price is very high. There are 1hp inverter & 1.5hp inverter Panasonic Split Unit.
And the sifu measure the total length for the copper pipe to be added is 140ft So the installation fee is much more pricier than the air conditoner indoor & outdoor units themselves.
He does free 10ft for each units so total extra is 120ft. Is it reasonable ? I paid for the service.sad.gif

Copper pipe 120ft = RM3360
Casing Trunking = RM480

Can any sifus here help me to justify? Thank you in advance.
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if you have a long distance to reach the compressor, nothing you can change.
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post Jan 17 2025, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(ki___ @ Jan 17 2025, 11:35 AM)
Hello there, I had been quoted for 2 units of Air-Conditioners and I think the price is very high. There are 1hp inverter & 1.5hp inverter Panasonic Split Unit.
And the sifu measure the total length for the copper pipe to be added is 140ft So the installation fee is much more pricier than the air conditoner indoor & outdoor units themselves.
He does free 10ft for each units so total extra is 120ft. Is it reasonable ? I paid for the service.sad.gif

Copper pipe 120ft = RM3360
Casing Trunking = RM480

Can any sifus here help me to justify? Thank you in advance.
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15 m of copper pipe PER ROLL (50 ft) x 2 roll (gas+liquid) about RM 450. Need 3 x for your distance, so copper alone RM 1,350. Insulation is per 6 foot length at RM 3 per length, so RM 75, 4 wire 2.5 mm² (because inverter, and far away) per roll about RM 400 (90 m per roll, so can use for 2 a/conds, so RM 200 per unit). So far RM 1,625 in basic material costs only PER AIR COND. So 2 a/cond installation with distance of 140 ft is RM 3,250 in basic material cost.

Your quoted installation cost is cheap. Please check if there are any hidden costs, or if substandard material is going to be used, or if the installer has made a mistake. After started already and then they will come and say have to increase the price.

But forget all the above first..... I believe that 140 ft is over the maximum design limit of copper pipe length for most domestic air conditioner units. Your air conditioners won't work properly, if at all, if my opinion is correct.
Check the installation documentation of your a/cond model to find out the maximum distance between the Indoor/Outdoor units and only proceed if it is within the distance. If not, please redesign your layout.
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post Jan 17 2025, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Jan 17 2025, 04:13 PM)
15 m of copper pipe PER ROLL (50 ft) x 2 roll (gas+liquid) about RM 450. Need 3 x for your distance, so copper alone RM 1,350. Insulation is per 6 foot length at RM 3 per length, so RM 75, 4 wire 2.5 mm² (because inverter, and far away) per roll about RM 400 (90 m per roll, so can use for 2 a/conds, so RM 200 per unit). So far RM 1,625 in basic material costs only PER AIR COND. So 2 a/cond installation with distance of 140 ft is RM 3,250 in basic material cost.

Your quoted installation cost is cheap. Please check if there are any hidden costs, or if substandard material is going to be used, or if the installer has made a mistake. After started already and then they will come and say have to increase the price.

But forget all the above first..... I believe that 140 ft is over the maximum design limit of copper pipe length for most domestic air conditioner units. Your air conditioners won't work properly, if at all, if my opinion is correct.
Check the installation documentation of your a/cond model to find out the maximum distance between the Indoor/Outdoor units and only proceed if it is within the distance. If not, please redesign your layout.

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Oh crap, disregard all that I wrote, I misread your post. I re-read and you've written like you have already done and paid for this install, so.....
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post Jan 18 2025, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Jan 17 2025, 04:22 PM)
Oh crap, disregard all that I wrote, I misread your post. I re-read and you've written like you have already done and paid for this install, so.....
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post Jan 20 2025, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Jan 17 2025, 04:13 PM)
15 m of copper pipe PER ROLL (50 ft) x 2 roll (gas+liquid) about RM 450. Need 3 x for your distance, so copper alone RM 1,350. Insulation is per 6 foot length at RM 3 per length, so RM 75, 4 wire 2.5 mm² (because inverter, and far away) per roll about RM 400 (90 m per roll, so can use for 2 a/conds, so RM 200 per unit). So far RM 1,625 in basic material costs only PER AIR COND. So 2 a/cond installation with distance of 140 ft is RM 3,250 in basic material cost.

Your quoted installation cost is cheap. Please check if there are any hidden costs, or if substandard material is going to be used, or if the installer has made a mistake. After started already and then they will come and say have to increase the price.

But forget all the above first..... I believe that 140 ft is over the maximum design limit of copper pipe length for most domestic air conditioner units. Your air conditioners won't work properly, if at all, if my opinion is correct.
Check the installation documentation of your a/cond model to find out the maximum distance between the Indoor/Outdoor units and only proceed if it is within the distance. If not, please redesign your layout.
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Hey, thank you for your detailed response.

I realized I missed mentioning the exact distance of the single copper/wiring between the indoor and outdoor unit, which is approximately 25–28 feet.

I assume the installation technician quoted RM28/ft for the extra 120 feet, totaling RM3,360. The length of 140 feet includes the gas and liquid pipes. However, the distance between the two units of my air conditioner is not that far (just 3 feet apart, with one in the bedroom and one in the living room), so 140ft/4 = 35ft for single copper(exceeded the exact distance 25-28ft).

I purchased the split unit from a popular store that had set up a booth at HOMEDEC, so I assumed the installation services they provided would be reliable. That’s why I did not seek a supplementary installer for the job.

As they traveled from Shah Alam to my place in Cheras, I didn’t feel comfortable rejecting their quote on the spot.

This post has been edited by ki___: Jan 20 2025, 09:03 AM
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QUOTE(ki___ @ Jan 20 2025, 08:50 AM)
Hey, thank you for your detailed response.

I realized I missed mentioning the exact distance of the single copper/wiring between the indoor and outdoor unit, which is approximately 25–28 feet.

I assume the installation technician quoted RM28/ft for the extra 120 feet, totaling RM3,360. The length of 140 feet includes the gas and liquid pipes. However, the distance between the two units of my air conditioner is not that far (just 3 feet apart, with one in the bedroom and one in the living room), so 140ft/4 = 35ft for single copper.

I purchased the split unit from a popular store that had set up a booth at HOMEDEC, so I assumed the installation services they provided would be reliable. That’s why I did not seek a supplementary installer for the job.

As they traveled from Shah Alam to my place in Cheras, I didn’t feel comfortable rejecting their quote on the spot.
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140ft is kinda long, make sure they do a proper vacuum and recharge refrigerant.
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post Jan 20 2025, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(muyo @ Jan 20 2025, 09:01 AM)
140ft is kinda long, make sure they do a proper vacuum and recharge refrigerant.
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The length of single copper between indoor unit & outdoor unit is just 25-28ft. 140ft cut into 4 = 35ft.

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QUOTE(ki___ @ Jan 20 2025, 09:05 AM)
The length of single copper is just 25-28ft.
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20ft already need to charge, basic SOP from the installation manual
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QUOTE(ki___ @ Jan 20 2025, 08:50 AM)
Hey, thank you for your detailed response.

I realized I missed mentioning the exact distance of the single copper/wiring between the indoor and outdoor unit, which is approximately 25–28 feet.

I assume the installation technician quoted RM28/ft for the extra 120 feet, totaling RM3,360. The length of 140 feet includes the gas and liquid pipes. However, the distance between the two units of my air conditioner is not that far (just 3 feet apart, with one in the bedroom and one in the living room), so 140ft/4 = 35ft for single copper(exceeded the exact distance 25-28ft).

I purchased the split unit from a popular store that had set up a booth at HOMEDEC, so I assumed the installation services they provided would be reliable. That’s why I did not seek a supplementary installer for the job.

As they traveled from Shah Alam to my place in Cheras, I didn’t feel comfortable rejecting their quote on the spot.
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Would you be happy if I said the cost is cheap and you got a good deal? What about I said it is expensive and that you got conned?

The fact is the installation is completed and you have already paid. Move on with your life and don't revisit the past that is already done.
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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Jan 20 2025, 04:24 PM)
Would you be happy if I said the cost is cheap and you got a good deal? What about I said it is expensive and that you got conned?

The fact is the installation is completed and you have already paid. Move on with your life and don't revisit the past that is already done.
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Hehe, sometimes life is a bit tough without clarification. That is why I am here. I am happy now with your responses <3 Can breath smoothly already. innocent.gif
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i plan to get new aircon.

quite settled on hisense brand, any forewarnings come tell me now

anyone know the difference between UAGS and UEGW?

i hate marketing garbage, so many models and u really dont know what each are good for.
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QUOTE(biatche @ Jan 22 2025, 06:13 PM)
i plan to get new aircon.

quite settled on hisense brand, any forewarnings come tell me now

anyone know the difference between UAGS and UEGW?

i hate marketing garbage, so many models and u really dont know what each are good for.
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Buy the cheapest standard A/C for infrequent use
Buy the standard inverter if you don’t need any fancy features

I’ve got 4 Hisense A/C. Very pleased with it.
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QUOTE(Benefon @ Aug 28 2024, 08:02 AM)
York acson under daikin.
For wall mounted any brand
For cassettes ceiling go for daikin you never wrong, daikin ceiling for more like industry usage for longer hours
Panasonic wall mounted
Mitsubishi electric also wall mounted
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Planning to get two units of Daikin Revo cassette aircond 2hp for living and dining area in a double storey house. Two aircond shops I went to ask for price told me no point to get inverter since its open area ie expose to staircase n kitchen. Both shops said I won't get the energy savings effect from inverter. Just wanna ask if that made sense.

 

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