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post Jan 14 2016, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(ck2chan @ Jan 12 2016, 10:44 PM)
Anyone use or hear before of Koolman air cond?
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Better than LG and Samseng even it is much noisier than my 11 year old Panasonic laugh.gif

QUOTE(zzzhhhzzz @ Jan 12 2016, 10:48 PM)
Anyone know where to get good price Panasonic aircond ? How much do they charge for installation nowadays ?
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You need to survey the price on all. If you buy from shop A and look for installer, it will be expensive.
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post Jan 14 2016, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(zzzhhhzzz @ Jan 14 2016, 10:44 AM)
hmmm so far all the shop i asked also wanted RM250++ for 1hp installation... even though i already have conceal piping and air cond point... they just need to hook it up and thats it... but still charging me the same price ......zzzzz
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Then go to another shop.
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post Jan 19 2016, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(earl-ku @ Jan 19 2016, 12:30 PM)
I have an issue with my aircon and hopefully someone can suggest me whats my next course of action

I bought 3 units of ac(panasonic) of inverter unit, and got my contractor to install it, didnt use the installer from the electrical shop

now that i have moved in, and i realised my master bedroom unit is not cold, turned it on to 20 degrees and its sort of ambient temperature air but it does get a little colder towards the morning

my previous old york unit, i turned it on at 24 also cold edy, but this panasonic 20 degrees is like nothing.

so i called the contractor who did the install and said i need them to come and check, he says ok, can come check but if found no issue, he will charge me

i should get them check before i go back to the electrical shops rite, he should have warranty on his work? but then part where he says he will charge is no issue found

Should i get him to check or engage another installer?

and tested my other 2 units, in hall 1.5hp is cold and another in room 1.0hp is also cold

this contractor like saying its not his fault and not my issue after its installed
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When installing air cond, always ask the shop's dedicated contractors. This is your mistake where your own installer will blame the air cond to have problem even is the installing problem.
When you complaint to the shop you buy, they can also put the blame to your installer.
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post Mar 23 2016, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(sainod @ Mar 23 2016, 09:11 PM)
Thanks mate
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That's why I never look for installation cost from internet. Sure end up with throat full of blood shocking.gif
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post Mar 27 2016, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Mar 25 2016, 01:03 PM)
Don't use R22 to help save ozone, think of our next generations that need to walk outside without using UV umbrellas.
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R22 is just a small aspect, reducing CO2 emission still the only way to reduce air cond usage.
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post Mar 27 2016, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(panda-man @ Mar 25 2016, 01:58 PM)
english ok wor...

i think perhaps its the coils were dirty maybe? i also dunno. the fan seems ok.  am considering whether to change AC or not to an inverter model as its a small room. the current one is a Haier and already like 5+ years. but damn good. so cold. i sleep with it on 27-28 hahaha. if 16 sure mampus beku. so maybe its just overpowered or something  sweat.gif but the guy just cleaned the compressor unit so hopefully everything will reduce next month. will keep monitoring.
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If using non inverter, capacitor failure sure will resulting to more current consumption. As the capacitor is a storage bank for the initial start up of the outdoor unit. Happen to mine last time.
When it trying to kick start the outdoor unit, it will draw the most current and because of the capacitor can't store enough energy, it will keep on energizing until the unit starts. For 2 weeks run because of this, my bill was rm10 higher.
When talking about air cond's efficiency, everything comes in to play, buying rm18 of DIY air cond cleaner will do wonders most of the time.
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post Mar 27 2016, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Mar 25 2016, 03:44 PM)
Guys.. which one more practical? exclude cost of installation

1 - Buy Non Inverter Aircond 1hp (lets say York brand) - RM 750 (Lazada price)
2 - Buy Inverter Aircond 1hp (mitsubishi or Pana) - RM 1,500 (Lazada price)
in a long run let say 3 years plus maintenance cost which can save moneh the most?

if item 1 can save RM 750 divide by 3 years(36 months) I can have extra RM 21 to pay my TNB bill
if item 2 fork our additional RM 750 (compare to non inverter model) so theoretically I should have lower TNB right? by how much ?
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For air cond, is better buy from shop, in case any problem, you can go straight to them. Buying online are good and cheap but when you have problems, you will know the pain. Because the installer will blame the air cond even with the fact is their mistakes.
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post Mar 27 2016, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Mar 27 2016, 06:32 PM)
agreed with you  devil.gif
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I know the price are cheaper, but just not worth the hassle.
And some still thinks that when servicing air cond, rm120-150(for 1.5HP), the job scope only includes cleaning the indoor unit, outdoor unit different charges doh.gif
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post Mar 27 2016, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Mar 27 2016, 08:45 PM)
basically the charges for both unit which is around rm120 , cause i do service my 1.0hp aircond on time ... if different pricing for indoor and outdoor , i must say expensive
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Well, you know I know but some still don't know sweat.gif
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post Mar 27 2016, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Mar 27 2016, 08:58 PM)
thats so dangerous hahaha devil.gif
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Well, that's when some parties can do free ads in the forum and the mods choose to close 1 eye.
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post Mar 27 2016, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Mar 27 2016, 09:38 PM)
it happens to other section too ... example selling digital download games for PS4 , which is illegal , the best part the seller was a "M" .. no action have been taken so far ... and i can see there is no other sellers dare to sell those digital games , cause its illegal , once illegal you will be banned .. same goes with this matter that you`ve mentioned , its either they dont know bout it or close 1 eye laugh.gif
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We can only bust the lies as far as we can.
That's why when buying electric appliances, I always survey, survey and survey.
Price is 1 aspect, after sales service are more important. Still Panasonic's service center are only 5KM from my house, the fellow that Panasonic sub out also I know him well, that's why I only buy Panasonic stuffs, any problem, ask that fellow for opinion before sending in.
Bad thing is, till now non of my Panasonic stuffs sent to SC before, except for the digital rice cooker which used for 10 years and everyday heavy usages.
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post Mar 28 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(weng-aircon @ Mar 28 2016, 01:31 AM)
Faulty capacitor will not start up the compressors. It's only kick start let's say 6.0amp and if the capacitor rosak then it will turn 0 amp. The compressor won't start run. If you notice is not cold you'll fix it within a week.
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Well, that's why my replace cost only rm120, even I know that fellow slaughter me.
The fact that you are trying to mislead is, capacitor won't die direct, it will store lesser charge over the time.
Funny that a so-called air cond man will try to cheat on this doh.gif

QUOTE(weng-aircon @ Mar 28 2016, 01:48 AM)
120 to clean 1 unit indoor is a reasonable price. + not forgetting travel fees to your door step. Even you ask a computer technician format your pc that will cost how much? All these are services. And these services are necessary to do. Even your car need to change black oil? A lot people don't appreciate with their air con and don't know when to carry out services. Easy speaking. They don't care at all even take down the filter to wash the simplest thing also cannot do.

They charge min of Rm200 to clean the air con inclusive dismantle the whole unit. Maybe compressor will wash and require long ladder to reach it. A well experienced technician will know what to do with your air con. But some they charge sky high and maybe do a little job which not worth the 200 ringgit. Is not easy to find good technician nowadays.
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Yup, agree with you on this, and I'm sure good technician category does not include you.

QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Mar 28 2016, 07:18 AM)
That should be the way ...
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See, the cheater has spoken.

QUOTE(Mrsticker251 @ Mar 28 2016, 10:09 AM)
Would standard cleaning of aircon include refilling R22?
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Standard 1HP cleaning is rm120-150 which includes disconnect the indoor unit to do chemical cleaning, replacing the gas and cleaning the outdoor unit(this a bit tricky part as some may not clean it if it is not that dirty, my service man will give discount when he don't clean the outdoor unit)
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post Mar 28 2016, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Mar 28 2016, 12:27 PM)
so far i tried 2 company to service my aircond ( 1 a friend of mine , 1 doctor of aircond ) .... both charge around rm120 to rm150 ( for indoor + outdoor + chemical cleaning + gas refill ) for service , if there is thing need to be repair and replace then there is extra charges
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Well, I can say rm120 are more on friendship price, rm150 for market price. But some mentioned rm200 as direct slaughter price rclxs0.gif
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post Mar 28 2016, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Mar 28 2016, 02:34 PM)
cut throat i must say if rm200  laugh.gif
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Well, what to do, what to do mega_shok.gif

QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Mar 28 2016, 02:39 PM)
my current Pana inverter is in the 5th year.. only service once for RM 180 last year.. abit pricey...
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1.5HP? But inverter sure more expensive comparing to non inverter.
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post Mar 28 2016, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Mar 28 2016, 03:19 PM)
they might be doing short term of business  laugh.gif
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Get busted short term lor, else long term vmad.gif
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post Mar 28 2016, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Mar 28 2016, 03:40 PM)
1hp bro
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Just notice you are at KL area, sounds a bit right, but not for Seremban price.
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post Mar 29 2016, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Mrsticker251 @ Mar 29 2016, 07:42 AM)
When I just bought my apartment, my contractor charged me rm1200 for servcing 4 units. I even replaced one unit through him. Now I feel so silly. Trusted him cos he was recommended by a friend. Never do my research properly.
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Well, just take it as lesson.
But then for high rise building service cost, it is kinda subjective. Some may install it out of reach while some just install at the balcony(yet some still charge expensive).
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post Apr 3 2016, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Apr 2 2016, 10:26 PM)
York is famous for leaking water
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Leaking water from where?
Or are you trying to say York are using using water as cooling medium rather than others using gas confused.gif
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post Apr 3 2016, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(Jeffrey_Yong @ Apr 1 2016, 02:20 PM)
Got Css13skh inverter and Csv12rkh no inverter deluxe.  No cold like my old york. 

Also I think Panasonic reduce the max fan speed for their cool mode.
The i auto or X it is equal to other brand maximum speed.  My old York max is got better airflow than my new Panasonic.  Also feeling colder faster.
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By switching on those fancy functions and comparing it with air conds that does not have fancy functions, is like you pressing brake together with gas pedal on a BMW 7-series are way too slow on a Perodua Kancil that floor down the gas pedal .
With El-Nino effect, air conds that having lower blower speed tends to perform bad.
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post Apr 3 2016, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Apr 3 2016, 05:09 PM)
Wats ur comment about the pana 1.75hp unit?
Thinking to change my old acson 2.0hp to this..
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Got 1.75? But it should be old school's 1.5HP. Just get 2HP instead, non-inverter for living room, right?

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