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yakumo
post Aug 16 2021, 10:08 AM

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yeap , already asked the tech to come and replace it,

Then in time i will replace it and place it at some other location.

so that new model is good? btu about 9550
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post Aug 16 2021, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Aug 14 2021, 02:12 PM)
Guys, any feedback on sharp aircond? Looking for a cheap non-inverter unit. Most important for me is less maintenance and reliable.

Currently looking at model aha9xcd - https://my.sharp/products/air-care/10hp-r32...-aha9xcd?v=1448
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Got few Sharp at my partner's house..their AC use about ten yrs plus no problem with the AC. Only now start dripping water coz the drain pipe clogged, but AC still operate fine. The product OK wan, just the installer route is questionable, make drain pipe as vertical as possible and horizontal need slope (dont make too flat, water ponding = grow algae = jelly clog up)

QUOTE(yakumo @ Aug 16 2021, 08:53 AM)
hi need advice on this 2 aircond

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planning to replace my old Panasonic inverter 1hp (which needs its sensor replaced), is the newer one better?
i can see that it has a WIFI connection,
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Nice to haves but if old one nothing wrong no need to change IMO.
yakumo
post Aug 16 2021, 07:18 PM

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I see, well it's repaired , after work, going to test and see
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Aug 16 2021, 05:50 PM)
Got few Sharp at my partner's house..their AC use about ten yrs plus no problem with the AC. Only now start dripping water coz the drain pipe clogged, but AC still operate fine. The product OK wan, just the installer route is questionable, make drain pipe as vertical as possible and horizontal need slope (dont make too flat, water ponding = grow algae = jelly clog up)
Nice to haves but if old one nothing wrong no need to change IMO.
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Thanks, sounds good the sharp brand.
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post Aug 18 2021, 08:44 AM

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Hi all,
Any review or comment on this model York 2.5hp inverter YWM5J25AAS?
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post Aug 18 2021, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(yakumo @ Aug 16 2021, 08:53 AM)
hi need advice on this 2 aircond

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planning to replace my old Panasonic inverter 1hp (which needs its sensor replaced), is the newer one better?
i can see that it has a WIFI connection,
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Hi there!

I have own both models that you have enquired. Both are 1.5hp models and both are located in my bedroom.

The X-Deluxe is located at my “living-room” area of my bedroom, basically a small area where i designated a sofa and a lazy chair whereas the X-Premium is near by bed area.

Now, i’ll give you a mini review as to why one model is better than the other.

X-Premium - I purchased this in June 2021 for RM2150. It replace a 1.0hp Hitachi non-inverter R32 CKM series.
X Deluxe - Purchased in January 2021 for RM1780. New install.

Now, X-Premium is a better buy on all fronts!

Why i say so?

- Better air volume, seriously there’s much more air coming out of the vanes than the x-deluxe, hence faster cool
- the louver design is better (aesthetically speaking hehe)
- the remote is more modern although its not backlit (i though i was getting the same remote as the previous sky series)
- the air filtration is better (my room is dusty, like always, i have 4 windows, 2 overlooks the south, 1 facing North and 1 facing east, all are open constantly except when i turn on the aircond or if its rainy. The X-deluxe has much more dust on its fins as the filter is smaller and flimsier compared to the x-premium which has a larger filter. So far after using for 2 months ++, theres not a single dust on the aluminium fins of my x-premium whereas the x-deluxe is chocked with dust ON ITS FINS!!)
- x-premium has wifi built in as well as a humidity sensor (the wifi module costs RM229.00 the cheapest on Shopee). Trust me the panasonic app is a godsend!!! I could easily monitor my energy usage and set all the features from that single app. None are left behind!
- has a left-right auto louver direction (i dont use it much so mehh)
- has an auto up-down louver (as in, once the temp is reached, it may remain fixed facing 90 degrees to give a shower effect cooling) not to be confused with “Auto” on X-Deluxe where it basically swings up and down constantly

cons for X-premium
- the remote is not ergonomically designed. Its hard to press the up/down louver position without accidentally hitting the off button (for someone with big thumbs like me) [refer pic below]
- its a bit expensive but factor in the in built wifi (RM229) + the pros above and its a darn good value for money product

X-Deluxe is okay

- its cheaper and has Nanoe-X (it legit works!)
- it gets the job done (cools your room and saves electricity)
- remote is better designed (no accidental presses) albeit boring looking
- if i have a restricted budget, i may just get this.


For the outdoor model:

both have the same appearance [pic below] although as i have monitored, both have different logic of operations (since its easily accessible by me, i legit monitored its operations hehe)

Lemme explain… (situation: powerful mode on X-Deluxe, I-Auto X on X-Premium, both set at 27 degrees celcius. Room temp should be around 31 degrees)

The x-deluxe starts by spinning the fan and slowly syncs the fan speed with the compressor speed.

The x-premium starts by spinning the fan fast (like 50% speed) even while the compressor its just starting up, then it maintains 100% speed even when the compressor is only at 70%.

both of the situation aforementioned only apply at startup.

For temperature consistency, i notice that the x-deluxe does a bad job as the room feel a bit stuffy as it will try hard to operate at the lowest frequency even if you did not turn on “Eco” whereas the X-Premium for some reason has a nicer cooling effect so as to not make the room stuffy, it aims for humidity (hence humidity sensor built in) rather than temp alone.

Regarding noise, both do excellent job. However, for the compressor on the x-deluxe, i notice that at 30% - 40% frequency, there will be noticeable vibrations emanating from the compressor, its like the compressor is touching the casing and its quite loud. The issue is less prominent on the x-premium (i think Panasonic fixed it?). But i attribute these observations due to the scroll compressor design.

As a comparison, my mum’s Daikin 2.0hp FTKG-T is much much quieter and softer while operating. The Hermetic swing compressor is a marvel piece of technology (although the aircond itself is barebones in terms of specification). Value for money still goes to Panasonic!

Its entirely up to you to choose now. Good luck!

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free2d
post Aug 20 2021, 10:55 PM

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Is Plasmacluster in Sharp useful?
SUSceo684
post Aug 21 2021, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE(free2d @ Aug 20 2021, 10:55 PM)
Is Plasmacluster in Sharp useful?
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Its ioniser tech under many diff names, collects fine dust and neutralise odour better than one without.
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post Aug 27 2021, 04:08 AM

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QUOTE(syafiqdanial @ Aug 18 2021, 08:57 AM)
Hi there!

I have own both models that you have enquired. Both are 1.5hp models and both are located in my bedroom.

The X-Deluxe is located at my “living-room” area of my bedroom, basically a small area where i designated a sofa and a lazy chair whereas the X-Premium is near by bed area.

Now, i’ll give you a mini review as to why one model is better than the other.

X-Premium - I purchased this in June 2021 for RM2150. It replace a 1.0hp Hitachi non-inverter R32 CKM series.
X Deluxe - Purchased in January 2021 for RM1780. New install.

Now, X-Premium is a better buy on all fronts!

Why i say so?

- Better air volume, seriously there’s much more air coming out of the vanes than the x-deluxe, hence faster cool
- the louver design is better (aesthetically speaking hehe)
- the remote is more modern although its not backlit (i though i was getting the same remote as the previous sky series)
- the air filtration is better (my room is dusty, like always, i have 4 windows, 2 overlooks the south, 1 facing North and 1 facing east, all are open constantly except when i turn on the aircond or if its rainy. The X-deluxe has much more dust on its fins as the filter is smaller and flimsier compared to the x-premium which has a larger filter. So far after using for 2 months ++, theres not a single dust on the aluminium fins of my x-premium whereas the x-deluxe is chocked with dust ON ITS FINS!!)
- x-premium has wifi built in as well as a humidity sensor (the wifi module costs RM229.00 the cheapest on Shopee). Trust me the panasonic app is a godsend!!! I could easily monitor my energy usage and set all the features from that single app. None are left behind!
- has a left-right auto louver direction (i dont use it much so mehh)
- has an auto up-down louver (as in, once the temp is reached, it may remain fixed facing 90 degrees to give a shower effect cooling) not to be confused with “Auto” on X-Deluxe where it basically swings up and down constantly

cons for X-premium
- the remote is not ergonomically designed. Its hard to press the up/down louver position without accidentally hitting the off button (for someone with big thumbs like me) [refer pic below]
- its a bit expensive but factor in the in built wifi (RM229) + the pros above and its a darn good value for money product

X-Deluxe is okay

- its cheaper and has Nanoe-X (it legit works!)
- it gets the job done (cools your room and saves electricity)
- remote is better designed (no accidental presses) albeit boring looking
- if i have a restricted budget, i may just get this.
For the outdoor model:

both have the same appearance [pic below] although as i have monitored, both have different logic of operations (since its easily accessible by me, i legit monitored its operations hehe)

Lemme explain… (situation: powerful mode on X-Deluxe, I-Auto X on X-Premium, both set at 27 degrees celcius. Room temp should be around 31 degrees)

The x-deluxe starts by spinning the fan and slowly syncs the fan speed with the compressor speed.

The x-premium starts by spinning the fan fast (like 50% speed) even while the compressor its just starting up, then it maintains 100% speed even when the compressor is only at 70%.

both of the situation aforementioned only apply at startup.

For temperature consistency, i notice that the x-deluxe does a bad job as the room feel a bit stuffy as it will try hard to operate at the lowest frequency even if you did not turn on “Eco” whereas the X-Premium for some reason has a nicer cooling effect so as to not make the room stuffy, it aims for humidity (hence humidity sensor built in) rather than temp alone.

Regarding noise, both do excellent job. However, for the compressor on the x-deluxe, i notice that at 30% - 40% frequency, there will be noticeable vibrations emanating from the compressor, its like the compressor is touching the casing and its quite loud. The issue is less prominent on the x-premium (i think Panasonic fixed it?). But i attribute these observations due to the scroll compressor design.

As a comparison, my mum’s Daikin 2.0hp FTKG-T is much much quieter and softer while operating. The Hermetic swing compressor is a marvel piece of technology (although the aircond itself is barebones in terms of specification). Value for money still goes to Panasonic!

Its entirely up to you to choose now. Good luck!

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Interested for this X-Premium Inverter model for my master bedroom. Currently using 1.5hp LG Dual Inverter for my master bedroom but feel less cold perhaps due to underpower hp. My master bedroom is 225sqft and window face east.

My question is:
1. What is sqft of your room?
2. How much hp you use?
3. What is your total kw per month usage, is it this model save electricity?
4. If possible can you suggest optimum hp for my master bedroom 225sqft top floor window face east?

Thank you.

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post Aug 27 2021, 07:33 PM

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Hi all, my room's acson air cond has not been cold and I called technician to check he said the compressor is faulty and will need to be replaced. We got the new parts via warranty but my technician has charged me RM 380 for the compressor installation and gas pumping.

Is that the standard price for such installation job? Seems abit high in my opinion. Just wanna make sure this is the market price. Thanks
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post Aug 27 2021, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(tamealphonse @ Aug 27 2021, 07:33 PM)
Hi all, my room's acson air cond has not been cold and I called technician to check he said the compressor is faulty and will need to be replaced. We got the new parts via warranty but my technician has charged me RM 380 for the compressor installation and gas pumping.

Is that the standard price for such installation job? Seems abit high in my opinion. Just wanna make sure this is the market price. Thanks
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For normal servicing, labour is between 150 to 180 for 1hp. The extra 200 is fair for his service to claim warranty on you behalf and to make good the unit in running condition ....transport, labour and gas refill.
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post Aug 30 2021, 07:16 PM

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hi would like to ask opinion for hp selection for master bedroom with size of 17 x 15 ft. will 1 hp inverter ac is sufficient or better to go with 1.5 hp? is any major change in electrical consumption for 1.5 hp compared to the 1 hp aircond

This post has been edited by sparktzm: Aug 30 2021, 07:18 PM
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post Aug 30 2021, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(sparktzm @ Aug 30 2021, 07:16 PM)
hi would like to ask opinion for hp selection for master bedroom with size of 17 x 15 ft. will 1 hp inverter ac is sufficient or better to go with 1.5 hp? is any major change in electrical consumption for 1.5 hp compared to the 1 hp aircond
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Minimum a 1 5hp.

A 1hp if undersized to room size will consume more electricity. The ac will run non stop to cool the room and to reach the set tempetature

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Aug 30 2021, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(sparktzm @ Aug 30 2021, 07:16 PM)
hi would like to ask opinion for hp selection for master bedroom with size of 17 x 15 ft. will 1 hp inverter ac is sufficient or better to go with 1.5 hp? is any major change in electrical consumption for 1.5 hp compared to the 1 hp aircond
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Better go for 2hp to save electricity in long term. Formula:
1. Length x Width x Height x 6(Coefficient)
2. How many person in room x 500btu(heat from human body). For couple normally 2 person x 500
3. How many window in room x 800btu(if window face north or south)/x 1000(if window face east or west)
Get a total then you can choose proper/optimum aircond btu in that room

Undersize ac can make high electricity bill coz compressor wont stop working(for non inverter) or slowing down(for inverter) and oversize ac can make your aircond fail to remove moisture in your room. Moisture also one of the factor that increase heat.
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post Aug 31 2021, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(sparktzm @ Aug 30 2021, 07:16 PM)
hi would like to ask opinion for hp selection for master bedroom with size of 17 x 15 ft. will 1 hp inverter ac is sufficient or better to go with 1.5 hp? is any major change in electrical consumption for 1.5 hp compared to the 1 hp aircond
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Step size of AC is not linear.

1.5hp actually 1.3hp (12k btu class) and more suitable for the room size
Minimum should use 12k btu AC. Overworking a 1hp (9k btu) not gonna save power also. This 12k btu will work fine for sensible target temp of 25C.

If the room is very hot in daytime (like top floor or west facing) get a 2hp (18k btu class) unit. Also if you like to set at 16C freezer target temp, then get 18k btu..

This post has been edited by ceo684: Aug 31 2021, 01:51 AM
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post Aug 31 2021, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Aug 31 2021, 01:49 AM)
Step size of AC is not linear.

1.5hp actually 1.3hp (12k btu class) and more suitable for the room size
Minimum should use 12k btu AC. Overworking a 1hp (9k btu) not gonna save power also. This 12k btu will work fine for sensible target temp of 25C.

If the room is very hot in daytime (like top floor or west facing) get a 2hp (18k btu class) unit. Also if you like to set at 16C freezer target temp, then get 18k btu..
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My master bedroom is similarly sized, I was targeting for 2.5HP (based on the showroom unit installed, its the cassette unit placed center of the room) then after I read your comment, 2HP is sufficient? I usually set to 23-25C, the yellow portion are balcony windows. Facing North East (sunset problem is minimal on this room).

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post Aug 31 2021, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 31 2021, 08:07 PM)
My master bedroom is similarly sized, I was targeting for 2.5HP (based on the showroom unit installed, its the cassette unit placed center of the room) then after I read your comment, 2HP is sufficient? I usually set to 23-25C, the yellow portion are balcony windows. Facing North East (sunset problem is minimal on this room).

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My bedroom is sligjhtly bigger in dimension and my AC is a 2hp for more than 10 years ..... a terrace unit facing north. Temperature is set 25/26.

If possible, avoid placing the ac directly above or facing the bed ....a cool room is more comfortable than a cold room.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 31 2021, 08:45 PM)
My bedroom is sligjhtly bigger in dimension and my AC is a 2hp for more than 10 years ..... a terrace unit facing north. Temperature is set 25/26.

If possible, avoid placing the ac directly above or facing the bed ....a cool room is more comfortable than a cold room.
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post Sep 1 2021, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(yakumo @ Aug 16 2021, 10:08 AM)
yeap , already asked the tech to come and replace it,

Then in time i will replace it and place it at some other location.

so that new model is good? btu about 9550
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Now can do renOvation already? My air cond also needs replacements.


Any good 1HP air cond to recommend? Im leaning towards Panasonic as all the panasonic air conds that i use at my house can last about 10 years easy, granted with good maintenance. Should i get inverted air cond, does it really save so much energy?
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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Sep 1 2021, 08:35 AM)
Now can do renOvation already? My air cond also needs replacements.
Any good 1HP air cond to recommend? Im leaning towards Panasonic as all the panasonic air conds that i use at my house can last about 10 years easy, granted with good maintenance. Should i get inverted air cond, does it really save so much energy?
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Difficult to advise as any savings is more about a user's habit and maintenance.

If you are not changing other appliances except one AC, then pay extra few hundreds to find out. Check the next few months bill whether there is any reduction if your usage is similar or higher to previous.

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