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post May 27 2021, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(yujin86 @ May 26 2021, 04:30 PM)
1 unit of Panasonic 1HP XPU10WKH for rm1189 without installation is it ok?
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good price factor another $200 for install. should save u a ton of money from usage due to high eer
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QUOTE(FusionXY @ May 27 2021, 02:29 PM)
Thank you for the advice and suggestion sifu.
What if washing from the back does not help to solve the H3?
Could the compressor or capacitor problem?
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Compressor runs but cut out so its not jammed and cannot even start..it lose steam whilst running so major suspect is the beercan (runcap); but u can try a wash first

It could be a 2 in 1 cap (one beercan does both start and run, it has 2 diff uF listed); or 2 pcs of single function cap (separated, single uF)

This post has been edited by ceo684: May 27 2021, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ May 27 2021, 03:13 PM)
Compressor runs but cut out so its not jammed and cannot even start..it lose steam whilst running so major suspect is the beercan (runcap); but u can try a wash first

It could be a 2 in 1 cap (one beercan does both start and run, it has 2 diff uF listed); or 2 pcs of single function cap (separated, single uF)
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Thank you very much sis for more explanation.
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QUOTE(FusionXY @ May 27 2021, 01:41 PM)
I tried many times still same. I switch off then wait for 30 minutes then power on via remote control.
First few minutes like normal then after a while H3 appears and cooling light symbol blinking.
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likely the run capacitor then.
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QUOTE(slimey @ May 27 2021, 03:23 PM)
likely the run capacitor then.
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if run cap change still dont solve then it is compressor
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post May 27 2021, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ May 27 2021, 03:23 PM)
likely the run capacitor then.
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QUOTE(slimey @ May 27 2021, 03:25 PM)
if run cap change still dont solve then it is compressor
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Thank you for the information. I am not an expert.
Will leave to the technician to fix. Dare not to risk myself and burn the house down.

EDIT: Monday the technician will come and see whether can fix. If spare part price cost a bomb then might get new one.
Not a fan of Electrolux, my brother chose this brand last time, I suggest Panasonic but my brother want to buy a cheaper one.
Not only H3 error, also the left and right swing also faulty. When I try to power on the socket, can hear clak clak clak sound from the swing.
Cannot avoid that cause if parts expensive. If Compressor totally gone case then bye bye to Electrolux.

This post has been edited by FusionXY: May 29 2021, 11:25 PM
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post May 27 2021, 09:40 PM

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The Pana CS-XPU is already inverter air conditioner. I did try to insert paper between the air conditioner body and the wall at all four corners but still have the issue. Really at lost to find out the door cause of this cracking sound

After changing to ME JS series, the cracking sound only happen during the start of air conditioner, probably due to temperature difference as you explained. After turning on air conditioner for 15-20 mins, no more constant cracking sound, but still got occasional tak sound from time to time

QUOTE(slimey @ May 25 2021, 10:02 AM)
as far as i understand, auto mode is just automatically adjust the indoor unit fan speed automatically according to how much difference the room temperature and the set temperature.
mode of aircond dont matter much or at all as long as it is a mode that cools the air.

not much can do to reduce the sound........as the sound is created when there is a huge temperature difference between the coil temperature and the refrigerant temperature. 

i would recommend an inverter aircond (soft start of the compressor and fine control of compressor speed to prevent start stop compressor) and improve the insulation of the cooling space to prevent cold air loss.
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ May 23 2021, 12:56 AM)
Midea..I also sked their spec can be a bit inflated or they run the unit Russian style (higher pressure etc) pushing the limits of the submarine like in the K-19 Widowmaker movie biggrin.gif

GREE latest Queen Inverter R32 spec wise also not bad. Before the pandemic GREE was CN market leader #1 for many yrs. Only during pandemic Midea overtook them from #2 spot in CN market.
Boleh pakai one. I wouldn't mind getting a GREE of that series, but previously they bring in a lot of so-so series (non inverter).

For CN brand do not buy the hey urgh.. that one prehistoric design of ODU.

Hitachi *X10CJ's between standard unit X10 and deluxe SX10 is same ODU, VX10 is premium IDU and diff ODU P/N. Based on 11/32kg weight the VX10 seems to be using a 1.5 chassis (overspec).
This CJ series can say "best in class" for cooling power and wide range inverter, plus long warranty 2/10 yrs (I think only Midea is the only other one w 10 yr warranty), and 5 star ST. It's an underrated gem actually.
There's still some SX10CJ last clearance stocks floating around online.

The CKM economy series variants rather meh cooling performance and 4 star only.
They still list the VX10CJ series as premium inverter.

Daikin FTKU above is better series.
FTKF economy range not worth the price for the badge.

Sharp this series is good performer for the pricepoint. Other series btu rating not that great.

Pana PU9 discontinued and the X-Deluxe XPU is current model. X-Deluxe can almost match Hitachi CJ spec, except wty period.

Mitsu GR series is the better series as well.
JP JS economy range. Macam FTKF.  rclxs0.gif
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thank you for lengthy explaination rclxub.gif

so i have narrow down my option based on the quick survey i do today.
price as per below

Daikin FTKU/A28A - RM1350
Acson A3WMY10AP - RM1290
Panasonic XPU10WKH - RM1390

its a close call between this.
just for daikin IINM need to add additional wifi module right

thanks

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Hello ceo684 ycs slimey mini orchard

Some updates regarding the Electrolux air conditioner.
Called technician to fix, wash the outdoor unit with water and vacuuming does not fix this issues.
I think I guess will install a new one better as the technician cannot find what's the issue over there.
Wasted my RM50 and the issues still come back. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

Today start lockdown for whole Malaysia. As technician not allowed to fix air conditioner during this period.
Panasonic released new X-Premium Inverter model which is CS-XU10XKH-1.
Got one shop quoted me for RM1849 without installation. The Save 2.0 suddenly open back for a short period.
Final price will RM1649 with the Save 2.0 promotion from the government by claiming through TNB part.
So should I reserve for full price without installation now to claim the RM200 off from the government?
As I might afraid that Save 2.0 aka RM200 off will end again.

The new model comes with built in WiFi which is a bonus for me.
I wish to get the CS-XPU10WKH-1 model but no left right auto swing.
Last time I bought Daikin FTKU series but haven't claim due to quota finished and now open back again.
Now the shop told me Daikin temporary no stock. Luckily get one for my room before OOS.
Now is my sister's room suddenly display H3. No idea the problem comes from where.
Don't wanna waste my time and money when the H3 display again after fixing.
Not only showing H3 error, left and right motor swing also spoil, can hear clak clak clak sound when auto swing.
The technician last month came said no spare part. Gonna let it go I guess. About 5 years like that.
Can't remember which year that I bought it. MCO making me headache to see Air Conditioner out of stock everywhere due to global chip shortage

Anyone using the latest Panasonic ones already?
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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jun 1 2021, 03:13 AM)
Hello ceo684 ycs slimey mini orchard

Some updates regarding the Electrolux air conditioner.
Called technician to fix, wash the outdoor unit with water and vacuuming does not fix this issues.
I think I guess will install a new one better as the technician cannot find what's the issue over there.
Wasted my RM50 and the issues still come back. cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif

Today start lockdown for whole Malaysia. As technician not allowed to fix air conditioner during this period.
Panasonic released new X-Premium Inverter model which is CS-XU10XKH-1.
Got one shop quoted me for RM1849 without installation. The Save 2.0 suddenly open back for a short period.
Final price will RM1649 with the Save 2.0 promotion from the government by claiming through TNB part.
So should I reserve for full price without installation now to claim the RM200 off from the government?
As I might afraid that Save 2.0 aka RM200 off will end again.

The new model comes with built in WiFi which is a bonus for me.
I wish to get the CS-XPU10WKH-1 model but no left right auto swing.
Last time I bought Daikin FTKU series but haven't claim due to quota finished and now open back again.
Now the shop told me Daikin temporary no stock. Luckily get one for my room before OOS.
Now is my sister's room suddenly display H3. No idea the problem comes from where.
Don't wanna waste my time and money when the H3 display again after fixing.
Not only showing H3 error, left and right motor swing also spoil, can hear clak clak clak sound when auto swing.
The technician last month came said no spare part. Gonna let it go I guess. About 5 years like that.
Can't remember which year that I bought it. MCO making me headache to see Air Conditioner out of stock everywhere due to global chip shortage

Anyone using the latest Panasonic ones already?
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I am not a fan of many features in AC. It makes trouble shooting complicated.

Your price 1649 and plus std installation 200 will be 1849. Some will charge extra for removing old AC.

This guy 1799 all in including removing old AC. Chat with him. He has stock. Only problem is installation due to lockdown.

https://shopee.com.my/Panasonic-1.0HP-X-Pre...5350.4489766840
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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jun 1 2021, 03:13 AM)
Hello ceo684 ycs slimey mini orchard

Some updates regarding the Electrolux air conditioner.
Called technician to fix, wash the outdoor unit with water and vacuuming does not fix this issues.
I think I guess will install a new one better as the technician cannot find what's the issue over there.
Wasted my RM50 and the issues still come back. cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif

Today start lockdown for whole Malaysia. As technician not allowed to fix air conditioner during this period.
Panasonic released new X-Premium Inverter model which is CS-XU10XKH-1.
Got one shop quoted me for RM1849 without installation. The Save 2.0 suddenly open back for a short period.
Final price will RM1649 with the Save 2.0 promotion from the government by claiming through TNB part.
So should I reserve for full price without installation now to claim the RM200 off from the government?
As I might afraid that Save 2.0 aka RM200 off will end again.

The new model comes with built in WiFi which is a bonus for me.
I wish to get the CS-XPU10WKH-1 model but no left right auto swing.
Last time I bought Daikin FTKU series but haven't claim due to quota finished and now open back again.
Now the shop told me Daikin temporary no stock. Luckily get one for my room before OOS.
Now is my sister's room suddenly display H3. No idea the problem comes from where.
Don't wanna waste my time and money when the H3 display again after fixing.
Not only showing H3 error, left and right motor swing also spoil, can hear clak clak clak sound when auto swing.
The technician last month came said no spare part. Gonna let it go I guess. About 5 years like that.
Can't remember which year that I bought it. MCO making me headache to see Air Conditioner out of stock everywhere due to global chip shortage

Anyone using the latest Panasonic ones already?
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lol........must be lousy technician.

the reason i ask first whether there's cold air first before proceed to washing the coil is to differentiate the overload cause between dirty coil or compressor no run. to save you the time and effort of washing. should fix the issues and get the aircond to run first then only consider washing the aircond.

i would still open up the outdoor unit, check the run capacitor status.

the capacitor is so easy to check and so cheap i dont understand why a technician couldnt even be bothered to check it. it cost like rm20 only the part.
open up the outdoor unit is just 4 screws.
taking out the capacitor is just pulling out 3 wires from the capacitor.
checking the health of the capacitor can be done by eye or just 1 second probe with a multimeter



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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jun 1 2021, 07:58 AM)
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I'm living in Penang. So not possible get that price.
I check variation of that price RM1799 excluding installation.
But if apply and deduct Save 2.0 voucher will be cheaper. .

QUOTE(slimey @ Jun 1 2021, 08:31 AM)
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The technician brought and test using refrigerant meter to test.
In the end mention outdoor unit thing dirty.
We told the guy display H3 error. Don't want to waste my time if the next technician cannot fix what's the issues.
Will try to use up the Save 2.0 voucher. Can save RM200.
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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jun 1 2021, 09:12 AM)
I'm living in Penang. So not possible get that price.
I check variation of that price RM1799 excluding installation.
But if apply and deduct Save 2.0 voucher will be cheaper. .
The technician brought and test using refrigerant meter to test.
In the end mention outdoor unit thing dirty.
We told the guy display H3 error. Don't want to waste my time if the next technician cannot fix what's the issues.
Will try to use up the Save 2.0 voucher. Can save RM200.
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lel..........

if refrigerant pressure is high means either the compressor is not running or running at a slower speed than usual or dirty coil.

to differentiate the cause need to use a multimeter with amp clamp to check the amp drawn by compressor. if amp high means coil dirty, if amp low means capacitor going bad, if amp very low means compressor not running.

must be a crappy technician laugh.gif
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QUOTE(slimey @ Jun 1 2021, 09:28 AM)
lel..........

if refrigerant pressure is high means either the compressor is not running or running at a slower speed than usual or dirty coil.

to differentiate the cause need to use a multimeter with amp clamp to check the amp drawn by compressor. if amp high means coil dirty, if amp low means capacitor going bad, if amp very low means compressor not running.

must be a crappy technician  laugh.gif
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Yalor. It's better for me to get a new cause if no spare parts or issues come back after repair.
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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jun 1 2021, 09:56 AM)
Yalor. It's better for me to get a new cause if no spare parts or issues come back after repair.
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i would repair it.

a capacitor is easy to get and it is a simple issue.

if it is a leak at indoor unit which is very hard to repair......that i would seriously consider getting a new one.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Jun 1 2021, 09:58 AM)
i would repair it.

a capacitor is easy to get and it is a simple issue.

if it is a leak at indoor unit which is very hard to repair......that i would seriously consider getting a new one.
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Yup, don't know how to explain the issues to the technician already.
I guess is not Electrolux, should I call Electrolux instead of normal technician after the lockdown?


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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jun 1 2021, 09:12 AM)
I'm living in Penang. So not possible get that price.
I check variation of that price RM1799 excluding installation.
But if apply and deduct Save 2.0 voucher will be cheaper. .
The technician brought and test using refrigerant meter to test.
In the end mention outdoor unit thing dirty.
We told the guy display H3 error. Don't want to waste my time if the next technician cannot fix what's the issues.
Will try to use up the Save 2.0 voucher. Can save RM200.
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My advise is to maintain one brand for the house. Not all technicians are good at troubleshooting various brands with the complexity of models nowadays.

I keep old condemed units for spare parts.
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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jun 1 2021, 10:17 AM)
Yup, don't know how to explain the issues to the technician already.
I guess is not Electrolux, should I call Electrolux instead of normal technician after the lockdown?
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i cant make that decision for you.

i've been maintaining my own stuff for a long time now after countless fed up with aircon technician.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jun 1 2021, 10:20 AM)
My advise is to maintain one brand for the house. Not all technicians are good at troubleshooting various brands with the complexity of models nowadays.

I keep old condemed units for spare parts.
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I wish to stick to one brand for the whole house. Because of my older brother very cheapskate wanna try Electrolux last time. I have no choice to let him to choose. Regret now for using Electrolux.
I recommended Panasonic but my brother refused, said too expensive.
Even we bought Panasonic Inverter for my room. Don't want to choose back Panasonic after fix the Panasonic in my parent's bedroom. I have to settle everything as I am the not the one chose the brand.

Last time my brother chose Electrolux to fix on the shoplot cause cheap ones don't mind.
In the end move to my sister's room. One by one issues came out.

QUOTE(slimey @ Jun 1 2021, 10:29 AM)
i cant make that decision for you.

i've been maintaining my own stuff for a long time now after countless fed up with aircon technician.
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Never mind bro. Will consider getting new one better.
Call one by one cannot fix. No choice have to spend more with RM200 rebate.

My parent's bedroom using Panasonic Premium Inverter Series. Around 6 years ++ which is older than Electrolux Inverter Air Conditioner. Electrolux I guess 4 - 5 years only.

Panasonic Inverter so far so good.
Just that Air Conditioner fan gets dirty quickly due to bigger hole at the top of the Air Conditioner.
Managed to wash indoor unit before lockdown.

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hi aircond sifu and expert. I am planning to move in my house soon and would need some of your advice on aircond. Currently, I had narrowed down to two brands of aircond namely Panasonic & Sharp. I am contemplation whether should I use fully inverter or mix with non inverter. My plan is to install for Living Room & Masterroom only.

Between both models which of you have experience/current using is ookay? since price is more or less similar.
1. Panasonic X-Premium Inverter R32 Series
2. Sharp R32 Inverter Plasmacluster Air Cond


Usage of aircond [can say heavy]
1. Master-room [10pm to 6am] -Mon-Sun
2. Livingroom [12pm-6pm] - Weekends / and occasionally weekdays if work from home.

My plan is to mix installation
1. Master-room - 1 hp a/c Inverter [15ft x 15ft]
2. Living room - Non Inverter 2hp a/c [covers approx 15ft x 35ft]


Which of the above is likely suitable? Prefers energy savings for long term usage.

or both inverter? hmm.gif

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